speaker hz settings?

[x-gh0st-x]

I currently have a onkyo 806 receiver with
Polk m70 fronts
cs1 center
and m30 rears

I was wondering what settings (HZ) should I apply to my receiver

Thanks

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by x-gh0st-x

I currently have a onkyo 806 receiver with
Polk m70 fronts
cs1 center
and m30 rears

I was wondering what settings (HZ) should I apply to my receiver

Thanks

• Monitor 70: 60Hz or 80Hz, try both. 60Hz will send more bass to the front speakers. 80Hz will send more bass to the subwoofer.
• Monitor 30: 80Hz
• CS1: 80Hz
• LPF of LFE: 120Hz.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

• Monitor 70: 60Hz or 80Hz, try both. 60Hz will send more bass to the front speakers. 80Hz will send more bass to the subwoofer.
• Monitor 30: 80Hz
• CS1: 80Hz
• LPF of LFE: 120Hz.

I have my polk T90e's (Same as the Monitor 60's), CS10 (Same as your CS1, but with the black piano finish on the sides) and surrounds (which include a pair of Monitor 30's) all set to 80Hz as well. I have the LPF of LFE set at 100 Hz (I don't have a 120Hz setting, so I use the next closest thing, but my old receiver, I did use 120Hz). It sounds great and I'm sure this will work for your set-up as well.

[DonRSD]

my setup is as follows

T90e's (monitor 60s) = 70hz
CS1 = 80hz
FXI3's = 80hz
LFE = 80hz

im not with forsberg & bd on the 120hz. sometimes a person with a deep voice ala george clooney.......you will hear the bass come thru the subwoofer which is VERY annoying

[brokenthumb]

Here's mine:

Monitor 70 = 80hz
CS2 = 80hz
Monitor 40 = 80hz
Sub X-over = 80hz

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by DonRSD

my setup is as follows

T90e's (monitor 60s) = 70hz
CS1 = 80hz
FXI3's = 80hz
LFE = 80hz

im not with forsberg & bd on the 120hz. sometimes a person with a deep voice ala george clooney.......you will hear the bass come thru the subwoofer which is VERY annoying

Don, how do you feel about the impact of your crossover (HPF) of 70hz for your fronts? Do you think the addition of the extra 10Hz (using 70Hz instead of 80Hz) on your front crossover settings introduces a bit too much of the higher low end frequencies to your T90's? I know according to spec they can handle it, however what are your thoughts that a crossover of 70hz might be too close to the T90's bottom in regards to the lowest frequency response it can handle effectively? Have you ever felt you had a lack of headroom in your T90's where they might have overperformed in certain bass heavy scenes?

I'm just curious to your thoughts....

[Hammie]

I think BD's setting are a good reference point for ghost.

I think each individual needs to understand their speakers and play with the settings until they get a setting they like. Also, by playing around, I mean watch a movie or two, listen to some music, and watch some TV. Each scenario is different enough where one may sound better at a certain setting.

For my Polk setup, I use 80Hz for the fronts, center, and surrounds because the next lower setting in my receiver (60Hz) is too close to their bottom end. My LPF is set to 90Hz just to cover and gaps in the cutoff. I feel if you have 80/80 then you have a chance to hear a definitive change. Just my Opinion.

My new speakers will be far different since the fronts can go down to 30Hz and the center down to 35Hz. Lots of playing around with them.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by louhamilton

I think BD's setting are a good reference point for ghost.

I think each individual needs to understand their speakers and play with the settings until they get a setting they like. Also, by playing around, I mean watch a movie or two, listen to some music, and watch some TV. Each scenario is different enough where one may sound better at a certain setting.

For my Polk setup, I use 80Hz for the fronts, center, and surrounds because the next lower setting in my receiver (60Hz) is too close to their bottom end. My LPF is set to 90Hz just to cover and gaps in the cutoff. I feel if you have 80/80 then you have a chance to hear a definitive change. Just my Opinion.

My new speakers will be far different since the fronts can go down to 30Hz and the center down to 35Hz. Lots of playing around with them.

Show off!

But that is a really impressive frequency range...damn!

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by DonRSD

my setup is as follows

T90e's (monitor 60s) = 70hz
CS1 = 80hz
FXI3's = 80hz
LFE = 80hz

im not with forsberg & bd on the 120hz. sometimes a person with a deep voice ala george clooney.......you will hear the bass come thru the subwoofer which is VERY annoying

Have you ever tried an LPF of 100hz? Might be a nice middle ground for you. Personally I have mine at 120hz and even on Transformers can't recall any voices getting into the sub. Definitely not any of the Ocean's movies (which all feature Clooney).

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by DonRSD

my setup is as follows

T90e's (monitor 60s) = 70hz
CS1 = 80hz
FXI3's = 80hz
LFE = 80hz

im not with forsberg & bd on the 120hz. sometimes a person with a deep voice ala george clooney.......you will hear the bass come thru the subwoofer which is VERY annoying

Forsberg & bd suggestion to set the LPF for LFE to 120 Hz is the standard and recommended by the experts.

Don, you shouldn't routinely be getting dialogue in the LFE channel. Now I suppose it's possible that some sound mixer might for perhaps some special effect do that, but it's not routinely done. I'm not sure, never listened to Transformers with only the LFE coming from my sub, but Ironhide's deep bass voice could be one that might for an effect be in the LFE. But I haven't like I said, verified that. I have heard Ironside's voice coming from the surrounds though especially in the initial opening narration scene about their origins.

To help prevent that, annoying bass from hefty baritones or deep male bass voice, is to set your center and fronts to 80 Hz or lower, perhaps 60 Hz if you r fronts have low enough LF response. If I am running my sub only with all the other channels off (I can do that because I use separate power amps for the fronts), I rarely hear except extremely faint at times, any dialogue content from my subwoofer. If you are, it could be that you have some setting incorrect in your set up. But, I can tell you this, the culprit is not the LFE channel. Setting the LP for LFE to 80 is not the standard and won't be the cure for problem of hearing dialogue from your sub.

[Kirk Out]

got a question for somebody out there i need help with this

i have onkyo 606 monitor 50s a cs2 center and r150 surrounds no sub
i ran speakers set up and it gave me full band for the 50s
60hz for the center cs2
80hz for the l&r surrounds
i ran the set up FOUR times and came back with the same results,now i see that it is recomended that the center be set at 80hz if i go into to speaker settings and switch it will this mess up my calibration or should i leave it the way it is let me know thanks

[brokenthumb]

Originally Posted by cj19791979

got a question for somebody out there i need help with this

i have onkyo 606 monitor 50s a cs2 center and r150 surrounds no sub
i ran speakers set up and it gave me full band for the 50s
60hz for the center cs2
80hz for the l&r surrounds
i ran the set up FOUR times and came back with the same results,now i see that it is recomended that the center be set at 80hz if i go into to speaker settings and switch it will this mess up my calibration or should i leave it the way it is let me know thanks

I don't think it would mess up anything. Audyssey sets everyone of my speakers to Full Band every time I run it. I always change them to small and 80hz though. May be different without a sub though.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by cj19791979

got a question for somebody out there i need help with this

i have onkyo 606 monitor 50s a cs2 center and r150 surrounds no sub
i ran speakers set up and it gave me full band for the 50s
60hz for the center cs2
80hz for the l&r surrounds
i ran the set up FOUR times and came back with the same results,now i see that it is recomended that the center be set at 80hz if i go into to speaker settings and switch it will this mess up my calibration or should i leave it the way it is let me know thanks

I don't have the Onkyo 606, but I can tell that in general an AVR is likely to set your L/R fronts to large if you have no subwoofer at all. That way, it can redirect bass from the other channels to the fronts, and also send the LFE to the fronts.

The monitor 50s are small towers and I wouldn't recommend using them full range but you can try it. If you hear any distortion, then set the Fronts to small and the HP to 60 or 80 HZ. Some AVRs won't allow that, if they detect no sub, they set the fronts to large or full range. Obviously that might not be very good if the fronts can't handle it.

You can change the settings made by the 606 as you see fit. It's not carved in stone. Those settings are just a starting point. Tweaking is advised and a good thing to do too if you don't like the sound you get.

With small towers I would highly recommend getting a sub.

[brokenthumb]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

With small towers I would highly recommend getting a sub.

+1 This is great advice.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by brokenthumb

+1 This is great advice.

+2....and nice new avatar brokenthumb....didn't notice you right away....

[brokenthumb]

Originally Posted by forsberg21

+2....and nice new avatar brokenthumb....didn't notice you right away....

Thanks, one of my favorite films of all-time.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by brokenthumb

I don't think it would mess up anything. Audyssey sets everyone of my speakers to Full Band every time I run it. I always change them to small and 80hz though. May be different without a sub though.

Audyssey does not set the speaker sizes. Your receiver does based on the information it receives from Audyssey and some stupid rules. For example, many receivers used to set the speakers to LARGE (Full Band) if Audyssey reported frequency response below 80Hz. Through encouragement from Audyssey, some receiver manufacturers have lowered this frequency.

These are some general rules you should follow:

• If you have a decent subwoofer(s), all your speakers become small by default.
• Don't take this as an insult. My front speakers have 15" built-in subwoofers with their dedicated 300 watt built-in amplifiers. When I set them to small, the sound quality improves. Small is not a personal statement against you or your speakers. It is all about interaction of nasty low frequency sound waves and their long wavelengths.
• If you don't have a subwoofer, set your Front speakers to Large and all other speakers to Small. Save some money and ask the Big Brown Truck Santa for a subwoofer.
• Do not confuse the LFE (.1) channel with what goes into your subwoofer. The LFE channel has low frequency information up to 120Hz. This information is put on the disc by sound engineers and you have no control over it. The information that goes into your subwoofer consists of the LFE information and the redirected bass from the speakers that were set to small. That is the reason we normally set the Low Pass Filter (LPF) to 120Hz.
• On most new receivers, the LPF only affects the LFE channel and not the other speakers. You may ask why bother to set a frequency on this channel? The reason is that some DVD's, through careless production, may have information way above 120Hz or even have full-band information on their LFE channel.
• It is perfectly ok to set your LFE to 80Hz as DonRSD mentioned above, provided that you fully understand that you are intentionally throwing away information between 80Hz and 120Hz that may me on the LFE channel. There is usually not that much information in these frequency ranges and the crossover filters have a gradual slope, so you should be ok.

Read this blog from Audyssey.

[Yeha-Noha]

+1

You can't go wrong if you follow bd's guidelines.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

+1

You can go wrong if you follow bd's guidelines.

How dare you rwojtaleqicz???.....are you a rouge follower of the BD philosophy?

I think you meant "can't"......

[jomari]

ive reverted to this post a number of times, just because it does explain why we use audessey, and programs similar to it...

MCACC stuff

MCACC settings (and its counterparts like audyssey), are essentially built in tools used for the common clientele to calibrate their systems, including speaker distance, equalization (at times), and other parameters tailored towards your listening area, resulting in a good fine tuned environment.

quick reference towards what MCACC does...

pioneer link

IDEALLY.

its a great way to start figuring out the relations of your speakers and the acoustic environment you currently have. sure its not up to par to a calibration done by a professional, nor would it determine everything up to a precision, but its a start.

it does tho, most of the time, has a hard tiime evaluating the speakers size, and since subs produce a non-localized point, its difficult for it to determine where it is. remember: this is a tool used primarily for ROOM EQUALIZATION and not SPEAKER SETUPS. this is only an add on.

better results can be had tho using a SPL meter and a quick learning of how to use em properly.

the best results would be using an True RTA program paired with a good calibration microphone.

As stated by a very good colleague of mine, these 'built in' gizmos and products are simple add ons by these manufacturers to solve all problems, both realistic and well, relative. The most important aspects of it boil down to getting the basics done right. Acoustic treatments, placements, etc. in a comparative example these are the 'miracle diet pills' that are included, when all you need is a good diet and exercise.