Also purchase The Adventures of Robin Hood on Blu-ray?

[Ray_Rogers]

I own The Adventures of Robin Hood on HDDVD and keeping it mainly since the original Theatrical mono track has a Dolby Digital Plus bump. Albiet it's only HD-30/DD+ and I researched online the Blu is BD-50 YET the mono is only Dolby Digital 192kbps. Is the average bitrate for the Blu-ray for the main title much of a bump up compared to the HDDVD?
Since I'm format neutral, still purchase HDDVD titles on the cheap and only problem is not having enough space , would it really matter if I purchase the Blu-ray?
I'm heavily considering it and alot of other titles which were on HDDVD and had day/date releases on Blu-ray or after the demise of HDDVD, the Blu-ray was released later. My big thing is I won't get the Blu-ray counterpart at all if the archaic MPEG2 codec was used. There are several titles which I own on DVD in my collection which I'm not selling even when I purchase the Blu-ray and the next format afterwards.
I hope alot of people won't be biased when replying to my first thread on this site.

[steve_dave]

Warner uses the same bit-rate for Dolby Digital Plus on HD DVD and Dolby Digital on Blu-ray Disc for all releases.

Its not like Paramount where the HD DVD had 1.5mbs DD+ while the Blu-ray Disc had 640kbs DD.

So there is no difference in audio quality for The Adventures of Robin Hood or Casablanca as they are same DD track just with the Plus denominator for HD DVD.

As for video, the Blu-ray Disc of The Adventures of Robin Hood also shares the same VC-1 encode from the HD DVD.

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

Warner uses the same bit-rate for Dolby Digital Plus on HD DVD and Dolby Digital on Blu-ray Disc for all releases.

Its not like Paramount where the HD DVD had 1.5mbs DD+ while the Blu-ray Disc had 640kbs DD.

So there is no difference in audio quality for The Adventures of Robin Hood or Casablanca as they are same DD track just with the Plus denominator for HD DVD.

As for video, the Blu-ray Disc of The Adventures of Robin Hood also shares the same VC-1 encode from the HD DVD.

I haven't replaced my Casablanca HD DVD yet due to this reason.

My main predicament is that my HDDVD player is the HDDVD add-on player for the 360. My upcoming, it's being shipped to me, is the SONY BDP-s360. I know actual players are superior compared to add-ons. Funny thing is I own 45 or a few more HDDVD's since they're so low in price and only 8 Blu-ray titles. I'm selling STARGATE (2nd corrected Blu-ray BD-25/MPEG2) soon as I watch it for the Anniversary Edition.
I mean the same title is low in price at the moment on Blu-ray so I figure I'd buy this one eventually. When I did watch the HDDVD release of it, I was more than happy it kept the film grain from the Ultra-Resolution remaster which of course used the Three-Strip Technicolor.
Other titles have higher priority compared to ones I already own on HDDVD except for alot of Blu-ray counterparts which trumps the former. It's all about the purchase quantity rate for those titles which will only be a gradual stream compared to titles which have only been released to the format.

[steve_dave]

It depends on how you have the 360 connected...

Component video for HD DVD will max out at 1080i if your TV supports 1080p input through the component connection. Bear in mind that a small percentage of televisions will accept 1080p through component. Also, this connection will not allow upconversion of DVDs.

VGA/HDMI will allow 1080p/24 resolution as well providing DVD upconversion.

My Sony TV accepts a 1080p signal through component connection so my 360 games are 1080p but my HD DVDs are 1080i. I can not see much of a difference between 1080i and 1080p/24. So for me, I am not interested in upgrading many of my HD DVDs especially the titles I got free or on sale.

Now if your TV is 1080p capable but only allow accepts a 720p over component and that's how your 360 is connected then you may want to get the Blu-ray Disc for the 1080p/24 video upgrade.

Of course, it also depends on if the TV supports 1080p because you will not see a difference period if your TV only accepts 720p.

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

It depends on how you have the 360 connected...

Component video for HD DVD will max out at 1080i if your TV supports 1080p input through the component connection. Bear in mind that a small percentage of televisions will accept 1080p through component. Also, this connection will not allow upconversion of DVDs.

VGA/HDMI will allow 1080p/24 resolution as well providing DVD upconversion.

My Sony TV accepts a 1080p signal through component connection so my 360 games are 1080p but my HD DVDs are 1080i. I can not see much of a difference between 1080i and 1080p/24. So for me, I am not interested in upgrading many of my HD DVDs especially the titles I got free or on sale.

Now if your TV is 1080p capable but only allow accepts a 720p over component and that's how your 360 is connected then you may want to get the Blu-ray Disc for the 1080p/24 video upgrade.

Of course, it also depends on if the TV supports 1080p because you will not see a difference period if your TV only accepts 720p.

My 360 is one which has HDMI. It crapped out via the E74 error EXACTLY two years from the manufacturing date. Still need to ship it to get the thing repaired for free.
The titles which I'm eager to get the Blu-ray counterparts are: (Now this is also an already released list and hopeful wishing. I'm still keeping the HDDVD versions still.)

12 MONKEYS
The Frighteners (Since just about all the Signature Collection LD, Director's Fun Cut DVD extras are also on the HDDVD, the feature is low in the bitrate it appears. Figure I'd get the Blu-ray if it uses a BD-50 with TONS of high bitrate and lossless audio. Don't even know if Universal would give the extras their own disc.)
KING KONG 2005 (I got it free with the add-on player.)
TRANSFORMERS (Got the damn thing for only $3.99 from inetvideo)

I mean there're alot more but I'm patient for the right price to jump on these. Including titles I still have on my wishlist for HDDVD I'm still doing research comparing them on dvdcompare.net

[Adam_ME]

I replaced the HD-DVD with the Blu-ray. I honestly can't tell if there's any difference in the audio. The transfers are identical though.

I am curious about what makes the mono track on the HD-DVD "Dolby Digital Plus". If it's in fact the same 192 kbps audio as the Blu-ray, where does the "plus" come from?

[GGX]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I am curious about what makes the mono track on the HD-DVD "Dolby Digital Plus". If it's in fact the same 192 kbps audio as the Blu-ray, where does the "plus" come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital_Plus

[Mr.White]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I replaced the HD-DVD with the Blu-ray. I honestly can't tell if there's any difference in the audio. The transfers are identical though.

I am curious about what makes the mono track on the HD-DVD "Dolby Digital Plus". If it's in fact the same 192 kbps audio as the Blu-ray, where does the "plus" come from?

I thought Dolby Digital Plus was one HD-DVD's only!, the "Purple Rain" blu-ray has Dolby Digital Plus listed on the back,must be mistake!

[steve_dave]

Dolby Digital Plus is an optional codec on Blu-ray Disc.

To sum up the Wiki article that was linked:

Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD use DD and DD+ differently.

For Blu-ray Disc, DD can have a bit-rate of up to 640kbs and a maximum of 5.1 channels. Whereas DD+ for Blu-ry DIsc is an extension to the DD soundtack. It essentially allows the rear channels of the soundtrack to have a higher fidelity. This addition adds an additional bit-rate of 1mb to the overall bit-rate. So that means, up to 640kbs for the core plus 1mb for the Plus extension adding up to a total bit-rate of up to 1.7mbs. Now since this is an optional track for Blu-ray Disc and not one of the mandatory three tracks, you would also have to include a secondary DD track of up to 640kbs. That renders the DD+ track completely redundant for Blu-ray Disc since the Plus track already has an AC-3 "core." The nice thing about DD+ for Blu-ray Disc is that it does allow for lossy 6.1 and 7.1 tracks.

HD DVD makes DD+ one of the mandatory codecs so it can have up to 7.1 channels of sound and a max bit-rate of 3mbs. Since there is no core system with HD DVD's implementation of DD+, a player just has to be able to either decode the track to PCM for transmission over HDMI 1.1 & 1.2 or transcode the track for playback on coaxial/toslink connecitons. With transcoding, the DD+ is decoded to PCM and then recompressed on the fly to a compatible soundstream. Most HD DVD players can transcode from DD+ to DTS with no discernable loss in quality.

Oh, and Warner did misprint a few Blu-ray Discs to indicate they had DD+ when, in fact, it was DD only.

[Ray_Rogers]

I read online both the HDDVD and Blu-ray have the Mono in 640kbps? I could be incorrect.
I was going to buy four of the five, no Eyes Wide Shut and should've been Barry Lyndon instead, Stanley Kubrick films on HDDVD but going to purchase them on Blu-ray since they have PCM tracks.

[William H Pratt]

I replaced the HD-DVD with the Blu-ray. I honestly can't tell if there's any difference in the audio. The transfers are identical though.

Same here!