Creepshow Blu-ray Audio wrong and missing !

[EvilDeadlyImmortal]

Hi !

I didn't find any thread releated to this problem I have, so there it is :

It's because I want to know if i'm the only one that have this "error" on my Blu-Ray Disc, but the Audio is wrong on the package. It's written on the back that it contain an English TrueHD 2.0 and Dolby Digital 2.0 sound track, as well as a French 2.0 sound track, well, not really ! There is ONLY an English Dolby Digital 2.0 sound track on my disc, the TrueHD 2.0 and French one are not present, not even written in the Language section of the Menu !!!

I don't know if it's just me, but all I can say is that I live in Quebec, Canada, and that I bought this Blu-Ray disc in a store called HMV in Quebec. The cover is all in english, not double language, so i'm assuming that it's the US version distributed also in the USA. The UPC is : 8 83929 06441 0 and the ISBN is 1-4198-8033-0.

I would love to know if it's just me or if it's the same for everybody. If so, i'll write to Warner Bros and ask for an explanation, cause for the sound quality, it's not an upgrade at all over the previous NTSC DVD, there's even a 5.1 sound track on the PAL R2 Special Edition of Creepshow in the UK, so...

Here's a picture i've took so you all could see that it's true ! (I don't have a BD Player on my PC, so excuse the bad Kodak picture) :


And here's a picture took on the Sony BD Player of one of my friend, same thing, only 1 track, Dolby Digital :



I'll be waiting for others to comment on their BD, thanks in advance !

Here's the full cover scanned (too big to post as a direct picture) :
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...rum/Image2.jpg

And here's a sample :

[TauHeel05]

i hope they didn't F this release up.

[EvilDeadlyImmortal]

They probably F the Canadian release of it, but before saying that, I need confirmation of US person who bought it and can let me/us know.

[TauHeel05]

Mine has shipped, should arrive Thursday.

[EvilDeadlyImmortal]

Would be very appreciated if you could let me know ! Thanks in advance !

If yours is correct, i'll try to get refund and buy it on Amazon.com then...

[Blu-ray Fanatic]

Does anyone know why Creepshow only has a 2.0 soundtrack?

[HumanMedia]

Ive been having an aneurism over in the Leon: The Professional thread about the not-so-great upcoming release of Leon.

But this is atrocious. A 192kbps Dolby Digital Stereo track, when there are multichannel mixes already on DVD?

(and yes my Creepshow and Dead Calm are on their way to me now)

BTW does this release have all of the extras from the UK's 2-Disc-Special Edition???

[EvilDeadlyImmortal]

Alright, I decided to scan my cover, so you could see that it's really written that on the back. And if you take a look at the sceenshot i've took on my TV, you can clearly see that there is no other sound track on it than the Dolby Digital 2.0

I'm just waiting for the confirmation with a US Blu-Ray of this movie, just to be sure. Because there's something wrong here.

Here's the full cover scanned (too big to post as a direct picture) :
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...rum/Image2.jpg

And here's a sample :

[nazdar]

The only defect is WB not bumping CREEPSHOW and DEAD CALM to 5.1. I have a lot of BDs. Close to a grand amount and every time I see DolbyTruHD that is less than 5.1 on a WB BD, I KNOW I'm not going to see my DENON read DolbyTruHD. In fact, like FALLING DOWN; amp says Dolby PL II Cinema, which means WTF; where's the TruHD?
I can think of over 5 WB titles that do this.
If you like the film like I do; I suggest you swallow your pride and (I'm past irritated) and just turn the sound up; because the BD will not be re-released differently nor another one behave differently.
Harsh but true as far as I know.
The DolbyTruHD may be encoded as http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...lm_blu-ray.htm
says, but the amp isn't getting it. (Notice he mentions the weak sound....like DD is compared to Tru)

This the best i can say and I am also bummed when I smell a situation like this; but I saw it coming when I saw DolbyTrueHD 2.0 on the box but bought it anyway, knowing. (It still sounds and looks better than the DVD)
If the amp doesn't say it; it may not be there or hard to read. The menu says nothing about DolbyTruHD anyway and offers no choice.
Warners strikes again!
...and that's my my two bloody cents
additional feedback appreciated.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by nazdar

The only defect is WB not bumping CREEPSHOW and DEAD CALM to 5.1. I have a lot of BDs. Close to a grand amount and every time I see DolbyTruHD that is less than 5.1 on a WB BD, I KNOW I'm not going to see my DENON read DolbyTruHD. In fact, like FALLING DOWN; amp says Dolby PL II Cinema, which means WTF; where's the TruHD?

Falling Down, Grumpy Old Men, and Dead Calm are TrueHD. Its supposed to say Dolby PL II Cinema because a stereo surround track is being sent to the receiver.

The only time it will say TrueHD 5.1 is when a 5.1 signal is being sent to the receiver. Its the same way with DVDs that also have 2.0 Surround tracks, its encoded in Dolby Digital but the receiver is only picking up a stereo surround signal.

And the same thing also happens with DTS-HD MA 2.0, it does not say DTS HD-MA on the receiver. It says Pro-Logic II on the receiever.

As for a 5.1 remix?

Warner either did have the elements to do a proper remix or they didn't want to spend money on a title that may not sell a lot of copies.

[nazdar]

[QUOTE=steve_dave; Falling Down, Grumpy Old Men, and Dead Calm are TrueHD. Its supposed to say Dolby PL II Cinema because a stereo surround track is being sent to the receiver.

The only time it will say TrueHD 5.1 is when a 5.1 signal is being sent to the receiver. Its the same way with DVDs that also have 2.0 Surround tracks, its encoded in Dolby Digital but the receiver is only picking up a stereo surround signal.

And the same thing also happens with DTS-HD MA 2.0, it does not say DTS HD-MA on the receiver. It says Pro-Logic II on the receiever.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Steve! You answered a question I've had since I entered Blu-ray over a year ago! And it explains why last night while playing DEAD CALM, I was able to access the TruHD 2.0 track (using the remote) which displayed on the Bravia panel, while the Denon still read Dolby PL II Cinema and my ears heard no difference. Does that make sense?
One more question: KAGAMUSHA's DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0 was picked up by the amp which displayed DTS-HD MSTR to my happy surprised superstitious mind; and it sounded great (even getting a 'bonus' leak out of my LFE speaker)....why did that comply when TruHD 2.0 tracks don't? And why do selected TruHD 2.0 tracks sound like stereo surround? Is it as you said about the amp only receiving stereo surround?
Thanks again ( I've asked legions of people about this and you are the first to shed light on it)
please respond and let me know if I can bug you with more questions if there are any left.
ps: you are right about WB's newer defaults to Lossless

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by nazdar

One more question: KAGAMUSHA's DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0 was picked up by the amp which displayed DTS-HD MSTR to my happy surprised superstitious mind; and it sounded great (even getting a 'bonus' leak out of my LFE speaker)....why did that comply when TruHD 2.0 tracks don't? And why do selected TruHD 2.0 tracks sound like stereo surround? Is it as you said about the amp only receiving stereo surround?
Thanks again ( I've asked legions of people about this and you are the first to shed light on it)
please respond and let me know if I can bug you with more questions if there are any left.
ps: you are right about WB's newer defaults to Lossless

Its the way 4.0 tracks are encoded. These are only four channels of audio: Center, Left, Right, Surrounds (Its one mono surround signal). However, most receivers simply see this as a 5.1 track and play it as such.

That's why Edward Scissorhands is not such a big deal being in 4.0 since most receivers are going to see it as 5.1 surround.

2.0 Surround tracks are encoded stereo with the center channel and surrounds matrixed into the stereo signal, the receiver would have to use Pro-Logic or Pro-Logic II decoding to pull these encoded surround signals and play them back properly. Same goes for the center channel which again is relying on the PL/PLII decoder to send it properly to the center speaker.

[zeze]

Does anyone else in Canada have the audio missing. Maybe he just got a defective disc. Also if it is not too much trouble can someone from the US that is not missing the audio post a picture with the menu where you can select which type of audio you want. Thanks

[Cynthia_F200]

Which company in England has the home entertainment rights to this? I just might import it since I do own a Momitsu. It's not out yet there though.

[EvilDeadlyImmortal]

Originally Posted by zeze

Maybe he just got a defective disc.

I'm not gonna go re-buy an another copy just to know if it was just 1 over a batch...! hahaha

Originally Posted by zeze

Also if it is not too much trouble can someone from the US that is not missing the audio post a picture with the menu where you can select which type of audio you want. Thanks

I have ordered my copy on Amazon.com, so if nobody post picture of the Menu, I will !

[nazdar]

Bing! You're sharp as tack. I was going to ask about Edward Scissorhands' 4.0. That also explains (Gaumont's) LEON's DTS-HD Master Audio 5.0 sounding close but not as good as it's DTS-HD HR 5.1.
Had a 7.1 decode problem with GOLDEN COMPASS & DARK CITY where I had to downgrade my amp's output to multi channel audio to avoid "reverb" style buzz; but then cannot enjoy full sound with LFE separation. Denon techs baffled. Do you think it's a setting, a fuke or a flaw in the amp? No rush and thanks.

[Rik1138]

Originally Posted by EvilDeadlyImmortal

It's because I want to know if i'm the only one that have this "error" on my Blu-Ray Disc, but the Audio is wrong on the package. It's written on the back that it contain an English TrueHD 2.0 and Dolby Digital 2.0 sound track, as well as a French 2.0 sound track, well, not really ! There is ONLY an English Dolby Digital 2.0 sound track on my disc, the TrueHD 2.0 and French one are not present, not even written in the Language section of the Menu !!!

It looks like you might have gotten a US disc in your Canadian packaging. What is the number on the disc itself (written around the edge of the printed label on the disc). Mine is 2000009172, I suspect the Canadian release with French language would be a different number.

Check the audio settings on your PS3 to make sure it's outputting PCM instead of Bitstream, and see if the screen display changes to TrueHD. (While playing the movie, click on Options on your remote (should bring up the PS3's menu), select Audio Settings (or something like that), and the bottom option should all you to toggle between Bitstream and PCM. Bitstream is the legacy AC3 stream only, PCM will play the Lossless stream if it's present.)

My disc has the exact same menu that yours does (mines a rental though, so I can't say what the packaging says). But, when I play it on my computer, it shows TrueHD (tsMuxer verifies this as well, and also displays the 192kb legacy stream, which is what I think you have your PS3 set to play.)

[steve_dave]

So it looks like Warner has changed to producing their BDs like Paramount's with this end of September batch of titles.

There is only one track selectable by the user but a second lossy track is hidden. You can't physically pick this second track at all because of the encoding.

So if you have your player setup properly for lossless or uncompressed audio then you will see TrueHD displayed on the player (not the receiver). However, if you sound is setup to go through optical/coazial output then you will see Dolby Digital displayed on your player (again, not the receiver).

Essentially, the player is picking the right track for the equipment so you need to make sure you have everything set up properly.

[EvilDeadlyImmortal]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

There is only one track selectable by the user but a second lossy track is hidden. You can't physically pick this second track at all because of the encoding.

Seems like that, yeah.

Originally Posted by steve_dave

However, if you sound is setup to go through optical/coazial output then you will see Dolby Digital displayed on your player (again, not the receiver).

Not exactly. The sound of my PS3 is output via the Optical cable, not the HDMI cable, and with Linear PCM set, I can see the TrueHD 5.1 sound track on my PS3 Info Bar on the top, at approx. 2.4 mbps, so looks like it work for me on this one.

[Rik1138]

Originally Posted by EvilDeadlyImmortal

Not exactly. The sound of my PS3 is output via the Optical cable, not the HDMI cable, and with Linear PCM set, I can see the TrueHD 5.1 sound track on my PS3 Info Bar on the top, at approx. 2.4 mbps, so looks like it work for me on this one.

Yeah, that's what the PS3 is decoding now. It's outputting the signal as PCM to your receiver though. If you are going through optical only, you might only be getting stereo PCM (I don't think it can send 5.1 PCM through the optical, but I might be wrong about that). You might be better off going back to bitstream for 5.1 titles to get full surround sound (but AC3, not lossless).

If you want to take advantage of the lossless audio, you need a receiver that can handle 5.1 (or 7.1) PCM audio with HDMI input (for the audio).