Would you spend an extra $5 per Blu-ray if every studio included a DVD of the movie? - Blu-ray Forum

HDTV1080P · 01-20-2010, 09:41 PM

The purpose of this thread: To mention both positives and negatives of packaging both a DVD and BLU-RAY title in the same package. There are advantages and disadvantages of combo packages for both the studio and consumer.

Here are the 3 different technologies/packaging that studios are considering using or already just started doing in 2010 :

1. All new releases from Warner will include both a DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package (some titles to include a 3rd disc called digital copy).
http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/92264

2. Universal Studios has started releasing flipper discs with a DVD on one side and a BLU-RAY on the other. Flippers can have a dual layer 8.5GB DVD on one side and a dual layer 50GB BLU-RAY on the other side. No colorful disc titles with flipper discs.
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/01/bourne-dvd-blu-ray/

3. Some movie studios might decide to release movies on a hybrid disc in the future. A hybrid disc would contain a BLU-RAY layer and a DVD layer on one side of the disc. It would also allow for a label side with colorful titles. The first hybrid discs might contain a 25GB layer BLU-RAY with a 8.5GB dual layer DVD on the same side of the disc. There is also a possibility of 50GB BLU-RAY hybrid discs with a 8.5GB DVD layer in the future (disc would have dual layer BD and dual layer DVD on one side). Hybrids are in some ways similar to hybrid Super Audio CD's which had a CD layer and SACD layer on the same side.
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2196

The following are my personal comments regarding placing a DVD and BLU-RAY title in the same packaging

I have been a movie collector since the late 80's. I first started collecting Laserdiscs in the late 80's since at the time Laserdiscs had a better picture and sound quality compared to both BETA and VHS. When the DVD format came out in 1997 I soon started collecting DVD's. I owned a Pioneer Elite Laserdisc/DVD player that played both DVD's and Laserdiscs. Over the years I have upgraded my Laserdisc titles to DVD titles if the DVD version was better quality (I still own many Laserdiscs that have not been released on DVD or BLU-RAY yet).

The BLU-RAY format was released in 2006 and in 2007 I started upgrading my DVD's to BLU-RAY's ( If the BLU-RAY was the better version with extended director cuts included, I upgrade my DVD's) .
For a while some family members were watching BLU-RAY's on 480i displays . Now all my family members and I have upgraded are 480i TV's to 1080P displays with BLU-RAY players. Since BLU-RAY players play BLU-RAY, DVD, and CD discs there was no reason for us to hang on to are old DVD players. I am only interested in BLU-RAY titles and have no interest in DVD or digital copies to be included in the same package.

The problem now: I have been getting rid of the old DVD's and replacing them with BLU-RAY titles. Now the studios are starting to package a DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package. So now I am forced to purchase a DVD with the same BLU-RAY title on all new releases from some studios. Some consumers I know will sometimes play the 480i version of the movie instead of the 1080P BLU-RAY version since they grab the wrong version of the movie. I plan on boycotting most new titles that contain a BLU-RAY and DVD in the same package. I can always rent BLU-RAY discs instead of purchasing them or start watching Verizon FIOS HD on demand instead.

Some Negatives of packaging a BLU-RAY with a DVD title:

1. It costs the studio's more money to include a DVD and BLU-RAY in every package. I would rather see the studios offer a BLU-RAY only versions of all titles at a $5 discount.

2. Offering a DVD and BLU-RAY disc in the same package might slow sales of BLU-RAY standalone players since some consumers might decide to only purchase one new BLU-RAY player. Why should a consumer upgrade all the DVD players in their house to BLU-RAY when all the new BLU-RAY discs from some studios will play on old DVD players (some people are happy with 480i DVD's and 1080P upconvert DVD players)? BLU-RAY only movie titles increases the demand for portable BLU-RAY players , Notebook BLU-RAY players, and standalone BLU-RAY players. Standalone BLU-RAY players can be purchased for under $100 now. Most likely around the end of 2010 BLU-RAY players for as low as $50 might be available. Packaging a BLU-RAY only titles at a $5 lower price would be better for the formats growth.

3. Some consumers will be confused by flipper discs or having a DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package. I know some people that will not understand how flipper discs work and they will by mistake play the 480i DVD side in a BLU-RAY player.

4. Consumer confusion might occur: If some studios only release a BLU-RAY version and other studios are releasing both a DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package then consumers could get confused. Some consumers will not understand why all BLU-RAY titles they purchase will not play in their DVD players while other titles play. Unless 100% of all studios release all future titles on both DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package then there will be some BLU-RAY titles that will not play in a DVD player. Some consumers will be upset that some BLU-RAY titles will not work in some DVD players.

5. Hybrid and flipper style discs were already tried with the DVD-Audio and Super Audio CD formats. Even offering discs that played in both a CD and Super Audio CD player was still not enough to grow the Super Audio CD format mainstream. These types of discs can cause consumer confusion.

6. Move collectors that only want to collect the best version of the movie will not want a 480i DVD included with every 1080P BLU-RAY they purchase. Some movie collectors like me might decide to stop purchasing BLU-RAY's and instead only rent titles that contain both a BLU-RAY and DVD in the same package.

7. Including a DVD and BLU-RAY in every package might hurt studio revenue. Consumers can get two copies of the movie in one package and turn around and sell the BLU-RAY or DVD version that they do not want. If a new release was offered on DVD for $20 and the BLU-RAY version with DVD version included was $25 then two people can get together and split the cost. One person gets the BLU-RAY and the other gets the DVD. Of course the studios advantage of hybrid and flipper discs is the BLU-RAY and DVD are on the same disc so consumers can not split them apart.

8. DVD Piracy: Including a DVD in every package could also hurt studio revenue since some consumers make perfect 480i dual layer pirated copies of DVD's for around 65 cents each with a low cost DVD burner and special software. To protect studio's revenue, studios should have a long term goal of discontinuing the DVD format and releasing movies on the secure BLU-RAY format that uses BD+ with renewable security.

Some Positives of packaging a BLU-RAY with a DVD title:

1. Perhaps one day in a few years the studios could discontinue dual packaging in the stores. Retailers would love to stock only a combo BLU-RAY and DVD title in one package instead of stocking both a DVD and BLU-RAY title. Saves retail shelf space.

2. Consumers will not need to spend the money to upgrade all the DVD players in their house to BLU-RAY players. This is a positive for some consumers that do not want spend the money to purchase new players.

3. Perhaps for the first time in history including two formats in one package could make the BLU-RAY format more popular. Only time will tell if consumers like this new packaging.

Beta Man · 01-20-2010, 09:42 PM

"Sure"

Clark Kent · 01-20-2010, 09:42 PM

No, the dvd is worthless to me.

Batman1980 · 01-20-2010, 09:42 PM

No and I don't think I would pay an extra $5 for extras either.

tk421-1138 · 01-20-2010, 09:43 PM

Not a chance!

Beta Man · 01-20-2010, 09:43 PM

I should clarify.... the answer is "Yes" if I have the option to buy it for $5 more with the DVD...... if they automatically include it, I would find it useful, but I think the $5 hike would be a little steep......

I'd like a DVD included with every Blu-ray though.......

RAZGRIZ-1 · 01-20-2010, 09:45 PM

Not at all. Why would you want to pay extra for a format you're no longer interested in? The only people who I think would want this are people new to Blu-ray.

Rblu-Dblu · 01-20-2010, 09:45 PM

No, I have enough coasters.

Blu Titan · 01-20-2010, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

No, the dvd is worthless to me.

Ditto.

solarrdadd · 01-20-2010, 09:45 PM

why would i want to if I have a blu-ray player?

ManUtd · 01-20-2010, 09:48 PM

Nope. If I had a choice between blu-only or blu+dvd, I would always pick the former if it was cheaper.

detective392 · 01-20-2010, 09:50 PM

We will say it again and again until people start to finally get it into their heads we don't pay extra for a DVD copy.

orion10 · 01-20-2010, 09:50 PM

No. All about saving money. That $5 could go towards another BD.

Snake Plissken · 01-20-2010, 09:50 PM

No.
I wouldn't.

progers13 · 01-20-2010, 09:51 PM

Absolutely not. DVD's not worth $0.50 to me let alone $5.00, and we're already paying a premium for the blu-ray format. Since many discs are shorting us on the extras, maybe they should throw in the DVD free of charge.

But if it's forced down my throat, better it be a separate disc than those ridiculous "flipper" discs. I thought they died out 10 years ago.

tk421-1138 · 01-20-2010, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detective392

We will say it again and again until people start to finally get it into their heads we don't pay extra for a DVD copy.

Or a digital copy for that matter.

Beta Man · 01-20-2010, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

why would i want to if I have a blu-ray player?

I have kids, and an in-dash in my jeep (which still works despite being rained on at least 25 times

) and we have an old Tube T.V. that I'd probably put in a play-room for them one day, or perhaps have an elliptical, or free-weights etc in a room........ It's a disc with a movie on it.....

If it's hot enough outside, and the garden-hose is running, I'll take a drink..... That doesn't mean I don't enjoy bottled watered (and I have particular brands of bottled water that I prefer to boot)

This is gonna be yet another anti-DVD thread...... sad.....

EDIT:

I'll re-state it though.... $5 is far too much.....

Clark Kent · 01-20-2010, 09:54 PM

Here is what I want from a Blu-ray release:

Lossless sound in the original language of the film

A real Blu-ray case, not an eco-case

The movie on a BD-50 with a high video bitrate

Extras in HD on a separate BD-25

Everything else is junk that adds nothing to the value.

orion10 · 01-20-2010, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beta Man

I have kids, and an in-dash in my jeep (which still works despite being rained on at least 25 times

) and we have an old Tube T.V. that I'd probably put in a play-room for them one day, or perhaps have an elliptical, or free-weights etc in a room........ It's a disc with a movie on it.....

If it's hot enough outside, and the garden-hose is running, I'll take a drink..... That doesn't mean I don't enjoy bottled watered (and I have particular brands of bottled water that I prefer to boot)

This is gonna be yet another anti-DVD thread...... sad.....

EDIT:

I'll re-state it though.... $5 is far too much.....

If I had kids, I'd agree with that sentiment. $5 part I agree totally.

bhampton · 01-20-2010, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

No, the dvd is worthless to me.

Right On.

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I would be willing to pay an extra $5 to have a DVD included with all new Blu-ray movie releases.	33	6.73%
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01-20-2010, 09:41 PM	#1
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Would you spend an extra $5 per Blu-ray if every studio included a DVD of the movie? The purpose of this thread: To mention both positives and negatives of packaging both a DVD and BLU-RAY title in the same package. There are advantages and disadvantages of combo packages for both the studio and consumer. Here are the 3 different technologies/packaging that studios are considering using or already just started doing in 2010 : 1. All new releases from Warner will include both a DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package (some titles to include a 3rd disc called digital copy). http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/92264 2. Universal Studios has started releasing flipper discs with a DVD on one side and a BLU-RAY on the other. Flippers can have a dual layer 8.5GB DVD on one side and a dual layer 50GB BLU-RAY on the other side. No colorful disc titles with flipper discs. http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/01/bourne-dvd-blu-ray/ 3. Some movie studios might decide to release movies on a hybrid disc in the future. A hybrid disc would contain a BLU-RAY layer and a DVD layer on one side of the disc. It would also allow for a label side with colorful titles. The first hybrid discs might contain a 25GB layer BLU-RAY with a 8.5GB dual layer DVD on the same side of the disc. There is also a possibility of 50GB BLU-RAY hybrid discs with a 8.5GB DVD layer in the future (disc would have dual layer BD and dual layer DVD on one side). Hybrids are in some ways similar to hybrid Super Audio CD's which had a CD layer and SACD layer on the same side. https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2196 The following are my personal comments regarding placing a DVD and BLU-RAY title in the same packaging I have been a movie collector since the late 80's. I first started collecting Laserdiscs in the late 80's since at the time Laserdiscs had a better picture and sound quality compared to both BETA and VHS. When the DVD format came out in 1997 I soon started collecting DVD's. I owned a Pioneer Elite Laserdisc/DVD player that played both DVD's and Laserdiscs. Over the years I have upgraded my Laserdisc titles to DVD titles if the DVD version was better quality (I still own many Laserdiscs that have not been released on DVD or BLU-RAY yet). The BLU-RAY format was released in 2006 and in 2007 I started upgrading my DVD's to BLU-RAY's ( If the BLU-RAY was the better version with extended director cuts included, I upgrade my DVD's) . For a while some family members were watching BLU-RAY's on 480i displays . Now all my family members and I have upgraded are 480i TV's to 1080P displays with BLU-RAY players. Since BLU-RAY players play BLU-RAY, DVD, and CD discs there was no reason for us to hang on to are old DVD players. I am only interested in BLU-RAY titles and have no interest in DVD or digital copies to be included in the same package. The problem now: I have been getting rid of the old DVD's and replacing them with BLU-RAY titles. Now the studios are starting to package a DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package. So now I am forced to purchase a DVD with the same BLU-RAY title on all new releases from some studios. Some consumers I know will sometimes play the 480i version of the movie instead of the 1080P BLU-RAY version since they grab the wrong version of the movie. I plan on boycotting most new titles that contain a BLU-RAY and DVD in the same package. I can always rent BLU-RAY discs instead of purchasing them or start watching Verizon FIOS HD on demand instead. Some Negatives of packaging a BLU-RAY with a DVD title: 1. It costs the studio's more money to include a DVD and BLU-RAY in every package. I would rather see the studios offer a BLU-RAY only versions of all titles at a $5 discount. 2. Offering a DVD and BLU-RAY disc in the same package might slow sales of BLU-RAY standalone players since some consumers might decide to only purchase one new BLU-RAY player. Why should a consumer upgrade all the DVD players in their house to BLU-RAY when all the new BLU-RAY discs from some studios will play on old DVD players (some people are happy with 480i DVD's and 1080P upconvert DVD players)? BLU-RAY only movie titles increases the demand for portable BLU-RAY players , Notebook BLU-RAY players, and standalone BLU-RAY players. Standalone BLU-RAY players can be purchased for under $100 now. Most likely around the end of 2010 BLU-RAY players for as low as $50 might be available. Packaging a BLU-RAY only titles at a $5 lower price would be better for the formats growth. 3. Some consumers will be confused by flipper discs or having a DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package. I know some people that will not understand how flipper discs work and they will by mistake play the 480i DVD side in a BLU-RAY player. 4. Consumer confusion might occur: If some studios only release a BLU-RAY version and other studios are releasing both a DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package then consumers could get confused. Some consumers will not understand why all BLU-RAY titles they purchase will not play in their DVD players while other titles play. Unless 100% of all studios release all future titles on both DVD and BLU-RAY in the same package then there will be some BLU-RAY titles that will not play in a DVD player. Some consumers will be upset that some BLU-RAY titles will not work in some DVD players. 5. Hybrid and flipper style discs were already tried with the DVD-Audio and Super Audio CD formats. Even offering discs that played in both a CD and Super Audio CD player was still not enough to grow the Super Audio CD format mainstream. These types of discs can cause consumer confusion. 6. Move collectors that only want to collect the best version of the movie will not want a 480i DVD included with every 1080P BLU-RAY they purchase. Some movie collectors like me might decide to stop purchasing BLU-RAY's and instead only rent titles that contain both a BLU-RAY and DVD in the same package. 7. Including a DVD and BLU-RAY in every package might hurt studio revenue. Consumers can get two copies of the movie in one package and turn around and sell the BLU-RAY or DVD version that they do not want. If a new release was offered on DVD for $20 and the BLU-RAY version with DVD version included was $25 then two people can get together and split the cost. One person gets the BLU-RAY and the other gets the DVD. Of course the studios advantage of hybrid and flipper discs is the BLU-RAY and DVD are on the same disc so consumers can not split them apart. 8. DVD Piracy: Including a DVD in every package could also hurt studio revenue since some consumers make perfect 480i dual layer pirated copies of DVD's for around 65 cents each with a low cost DVD burner and special software. To protect studio's revenue, studios should have a long term goal of discontinuing the DVD format and releasing movies on the secure BLU-RAY format that uses BD+ with renewable security. Some Positives of packaging a BLU-RAY with a DVD title: 1. Perhaps one day in a few years the studios could discontinue dual packaging in the stores. Retailers would love to stock only a combo BLU-RAY and DVD title in one package instead of stocking both a DVD and BLU-RAY title. Saves retail shelf space. 2. Consumers will not need to spend the money to upgrade all the DVD players in their house to BLU-RAY players. This is a positive for some consumers that do not want spend the money to purchase new players. 3. Perhaps for the first time in history including two formats in one package could make the BLU-RAY format more popular. Only time will tell if consumers like this new packaging. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 01-20-2010 at 10:58 PM.

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01-20-2010, 09:42 PM	#2
Beta Man Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Juuuuuuuust A Bit Outside.... Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:268 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:25	"Sure"

01-20-2010, 09:42 PM	#3
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	No, the dvd is worthless to me.

01-20-2010, 09:42 PM	#4
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	No and I don't think I would pay an extra $5 for extras either.

01-20-2010, 09:43 PM	#5
tk421-1138 Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010	Not a chance!

01-20-2010, 09:45 PM	#7
RAZGRIZ-1 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:May 2008 Location:Illinois 4K collection:9 Blu-ray collection:334 Blu-ray reviews: 5	Not at all. Why would you want to pay extra for a format you're no longer interested in? The only people who I think would want this are people new to Blu-ray.

01-20-2010, 09:45 PM	#8
Rblu-Dblu Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Trapped on the Death Star 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:483 Trading Score:12	No, I have enough coasters.

01-20-2010, 09:45 PM	#10
solarrdadd Blu-ray Prince Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2008 Location:Virginia Home Theater Gallery:255 4K collection:209 Blu-ray collection:1344 DVD collection:4 Blu-ray reviews: 42 Trading Score:316	why would i want to if I have a blu-ray player?

01-20-2010, 09:48 PM	#11
ManUtd Blu-ray Count Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 Location:In my HT Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:15 Blu-ray collection:829 Blu-ray reviews: 5 Trading Score:5	Nope. If I had a choice between blu-only or blu+dvd, I would always pick the former if it was cheaper.

01-20-2010, 09:50 PM	#12
detective392 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Jul 2008 Location:Champlin, MN Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:439 DVD collection:293 Blu-ray reviews:21	We will say it again and again until people start to finally get it into their heads we don't pay extra for a DVD copy.

01-20-2010, 09:50 PM	#13
orion10 Active Member Member since:Oct 2009 Blu-ray collection:74	No. All about saving money. That $5 could go towards another BD.

01-20-2010, 09:50 PM	#14
Snake Plissken Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Arizona Blu-ray collection:598 Trading Score:12	No. I wouldn't.

01-20-2010, 09:51 PM	#15
progers13 Blu-ray Baron Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Location:Tampa, FL Home Theater Gallery:83 Blu-ray collection:337 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:2	Absolutely not. DVD's not worth $0.50 to me let alone $5.00, and we're already paying a premium for the blu-ray format. Since many discs are shorting us on the extras, maybe they should throw in the DVD free of charge. But if it's forced down my throat, better it be a separate disc than those ridiculous "flipper" discs. I thought they died out 10 years ago.

01-20-2010, 09:54 PM	#18
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	Here is what I want from a Blu-ray release: Lossless sound in the original language of the film A real Blu-ray case, not an eco-case The movie on a BD-50 with a high video bitrate Extras in HD on a separate BD-25 Everything else is junk that adds nothing to the value.

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