willing to spend up to $1500....

[b00st]

so we have option A) Emotiva XPA-5 for $800 plus an SVS PB12-NSD for $600 or the eD A3-300.

option B) the NEW PB12-Plus for $1150 or A7-350 which is $1200 + $200 for walnut or cherry.

I'm leaning toward option A. there is a lot more gratification in that one. but to options b defense...that is supposed to be some stellar subs there....serious watts for serious subs. later down the road would be an xpa-3 added for rear surrounds. i'm only at a 5.1 surround now instead of my old 7.1. so i won't make that change till i move in the new house.

i may try and hold off for the XPA-5 + A5-350. but i'm really pushing it already and i don't think the wife will go for it. maybe breaking them up over a month or two will help push the deal through.

any thoughts.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by b00st

so we have option A) Emotiva XPA-5 for $800 plus an SVS PB12-NSD for $600 or the eD A3-300.

option B) the NEW PB12-Plus for $1150 or A7-350 which is $1200 + $200 for walnut or cherry.

I'm leaning toward option A. there is a lot more gratification in that one. but to options b defense...that is supposed to be some stellar subs there....serious watts for serious subs. later down the road would be an xpa-3 added for rear surrounds. i'm only at a 5.1 surround now instead of my old 7.1. so i won't make that change till i move in the new house.

i may try and hold off for the XPA-5 + A5-350. but i'm really pushing it already and i don't think the wife will go for it. maybe breaking them up over a month or two will help push the deal through.

any thoughts.

Here's one....sort of like option a-1....how about the XPA-5 ($800) and then 2 eD A2-300 ($700)? I think that would come out to exactly $1,500. 2 eD A2-300's would really give you the output and even out the bass response in the room. And the XPA-5 is an awesome performer as well!

[progers13]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Here's one....sort of like option a-1....how about the XPA-5 ($800) and then 2 eD A2-300 ($700)? I think that would come out to exactly $1,500. 2 eD A2-300's would really give you the output and even out the bass response in the room. And the XPA-5 is an awesome performer as well!

+1 on option a-1 Great suggestion Fors

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Here's one....sort of like option a-1....how about the XPA-5 ($800) and then 2 eD A2-300 ($700)? I think that would come out to exactly $1,500. 2 eD A2-300's would really give you the output and even out the bass response in the room. And the XPA-5 is an awesome performer as well!

Excellent suggestion.

[Jwilly019]

Originally Posted by progers13

+1 on option a-1 Great suggestion Fors

Tally another vote for option A-1.

Justin

[b00st]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Here's one....sort of like option a-1....how about the XPA-5 ($800) and then 2 eD A2-300 ($700)? I think that would come out to exactly $1,500. 2 eD A2-300's would really give you the output and even out the bass response in the room. And the XPA-5 is an awesome performer as well!

what if i said I was planning on keeping my Velodyne CHT10. which is 150w RMS or 180w RMS...i can't remember. but its still pretty close to A2-300...not sure I would notice a difference if I just bought one A2-300 its either a 20 watts or 50 watt difference. But i plan I adding to what I had for now.

Which is why I was trying to bump up to the next level in watts on the sub.

what are your thoughts then?

[progers13]

Originally Posted by b00st

what if i said I was planning on keeping my Velodyne CHT10. which is 150w RMS or 180w RMS...i can't remember. but its still pretty close to A2-300...not sure I would notice a difference if I just bought one A2-300 its either a 20 watts or 50 watt difference. But i plan I adding to what I had for now.

Which is why I was trying to bump up to the next level in watts on the sub.

what are your thoughts then?

Can't comment on the Velodyne matched with the A2-300. But you would really want to go with 2 subs over just one, even if that 1 is the A3-300. It could take some work to get the Velodyne and the eD to gel together, but that's not a bad option either.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by b00st

what if i said I was planning on keeping my Velodyne CHT10. which is 150w RMS or 180w RMS...i can't remember. but its still pretty close to A2-300...not sure I would notice a difference if I just bought one A2-300 its either a 20 watts or 50 watt difference. But i plan I adding to what I had for now.

Which is why I was trying to bump up to the next level in watts on the sub.

what are your thoughts then?

You need to be careful if you get such a big improvement with the next sub. Geting them to balance correctly would take some time and equalization on your part, possibly looking into REW (Room Equalizer Wizard), which can be complicated. Furthermore, a much better sub has a tendency to dominate, thus making that Velodyne sound like it is underperforming, causing possible distortion with very low LFE scenes, all resulting in localiztion of that sub (which you don't want.) Think of the 2 eD subs as a small gain in output, but a much easier time in achieving even bass response in the room.

[b00st]

Originally Posted by progers13

Can't comment on the Velodyne matched with the A2-300. But you would really want to go with 2 subs over just one, even if that 1 is the A3-300. It could take some work to get the Velodyne and the eD to gel together, but that's not a bad option either.

yeah i'm definitely not saying the velodyne is better or worse than the eD sub. i figured since I have it there...might as well use it....get something out of it. it has great musicality....its a 150 watt sub...so nothing big.

but i figure i would add to it and see what I got.

the goal would dual subs...and matching ones at that. but for now...i wanted to double the watts of what i currently got.

i'm sure it will take some tweaking to get them to work together....but thats the part i don't mind.

[b00st]

Originally Posted by Fors*

You need to be careful if you get such a big improvement with the next sub. Geting them to balance correctly would take some time and equalization on your part, possibly looking into REW (Room Equalizer Wizard), which can be complicated. Furthermore, a much better sub has a tendency to dominate, thus making that Velodyne sound like it is underperforming, causing possible distortion with very low LFE scenes, all resulting in localiztion of that sub (which you don't want.) Think of the 2 eD subs as a small gain in output, but a much easier time in achieving even bass response in the room.

food for thought for sure

if u look at my gallery...i installed the sub in the wall for a nice clean/flush look. so I can always not hook up my velodyne and just run the A3-300.
i know duals would give nice room response. but i believe twin a2s will be underpowering the next room as i move into a dedicated HT with projector and all kinds o goodies. i just wanna use some stuff now.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by b00st

food for thought for sure

if u look at my gallery...i installed the sub in the wall for a nice clean/flush look. so I can always not hook up my velodyne and just run the A3-300.
i know duals would give nice room response. but i believe twin a2s will be underpowering the next room as i move into a dedicated HT with projector and all kinds o goodies. i just wanna use some stuff now.

I hate to say this, but it is starting to feel like I am trying to talk you out of getting the bigger/better sub. So, if that is what you want and you have about $700 left, then I am going to suggest eD, SVS or HSu subs at or around the $700 price tag. It would be hard to go wrong with any of the three I mentioned. I have 2 SVS cylinder subs, and they are easily the first thing(s) you notice when you walk into the room.....and I like that.

[b00st]

Originally Posted by Fors*

I hate to say this, but it is starting to feel like I am trying to talk you out of getting the bigger/better sub. So, if that is what you want and you have about $700 left, then I am going to suggest eD, SVS or HSu subs at or around the $700 price tag. It would be hard to go wrong with any of the three I mentioned. I have 2 SVS cylinder subs, and they are easily the first thing(s) you notice when you walk into the room.....and I like that.

i was looking for feedback/options. u brought up some good points which is why i posted this. get some creative ideas flowing. thanks.

REW might be more trouble for me than its worth ATM. i can just the single more powerful sub now which would be a huge improvement over current. And no doubt over powering my velodyne...which is why I may disconnect it.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by b00st

i was looking for feedback/options. u brought up some good points which is why i posted this. get some creative ideas flowing. thanks.

REW might be more trouble for me than its worth ATM. i can just the single more powerful sub now which would be a huge improvement over current. And no doubt over powering my velodyne...which is why I may disconnect it.

No problem, I hope I could help.

If you did get a much bigger/better sub, you still may get the Velodyne to blend in, perhaps by setting the crossover on the sub itself higher, thus allowing it to handle the upper end of the LFE and low frequencies. It may keep it from distorting in those really low bass scenes, not to mention "complimenting" the bigger/better sub. Just food for thought, as I had a little Polk PSW10 with a single SVS sub, and with REW's help, I got a pretty even bass response. However, I think you are right....REW was a PIA to set up.

[blujacket]

My vote goes to option b. I think an amp for those Polk's would be overkill. The Svs Pb12+ gets my vote.

[progers13]

Originally Posted by b00st

i was looking for feedback/options. u brought up some good points which is why i posted this. get some creative ideas flowing. thanks.

REW might be more trouble for me than its worth ATM. i can just the single more powerful sub now which would be a huge improvement over current. And no doubt over powering my velodyne...which is why I may disconnect it.

I think it is fair to say that the A3-300 would be a sizeable step up from what you currently have. While I contend that it is best to have matching subs, there's no reason you can't buy a single A3-300 now and add a 2nd one in the near future, right?

[b00st]

Originally Posted by progers13

I think it is fair to say that the A3-300 would be a sizeable step up from what you currently have. While I contend that it is best to have matching subs, there's no reason you can't buy a single A3-300 now and add a 2nd one in the near future, right?

[b00st]

Originally Posted by blujacket

My vote goes to option b. I think an amp for those Polk's would be overkill. The Svs Pb12+ gets my vote.

I thought about that. they handle 125watts rms. i think if i push it to 200 RMS...it shouldn't kill it. if it does...paradigm here i come. i used to push 1200watts rms on my subs in my car when each voicecoil was only rated at 300rms ea. no issues there. i understand those polks aren't high end by any means. i was leaving them with the house so i didn't want to give them high end stuff.

[progers13]

Keep in mind that there are other reasons for getting an external amp besides the sheer power (volume). It's also about improving the quality and performance, taking strain off your receiver, and adding that much desired "clean power". I don't think you should discredit getting the emotive amp simply because you are running Polks. I think it will actually improve their performance, and there has been evidence to show that speakers can be pushed beyond their RMS ratings with clean power. It's the clipping of the overworked amps that actually does most of the damage.

[blujacket]

Originally Posted by b00st

I thought about that. they handle 125watts rms. i think if i push it to 200 RMS...it shouldn't kill it. if it does...paradigm here i come. i used to push 1200watts rms on my subs in my car when each voicecoil was only rated at 300rms ea. no issues there. i understand those polks aren't high end by any means. i was leaving them with the house so i didn't want to give them high end stuff.

I know they could handle the power, I just believe your receiver can drive those speakers fine as is. The better upgrade would be the sub, IMO.

[b00st]

Originally Posted by blujacket

I know they could handle the power, I just believe your receiver can drive those speakers fine as is. The better upgrade would be the sub, IMO.

valid point. they are see 110 watts each currently.

i guess my idea was sort of future proofing. as i plan on moving with a year tops. next set of speakers will definitely need 200 watts rms. but point taken.