OK, Paramount is gone! Get over it & let's plot strategies! - Blu-ray Forum

PrinceLH · 08-26-2007, 04:48 AM

OK, Blu Ray Brothers, Paramount folded, like a pair of deuces at the Poker table, so lets move on. Now we must start to plan on how were going to counterattack the full court press by the HD DVD zealots in every forum. We need to become stormtroopers and take them on with logic and zeal! We need to start making a list of what is good about our format and what is bad about theirs. We need to come to a conclusion on what we have to say and spread it everywhere, taking on all the liars and bullshitters who want to spread their garbage around.

Why do this? New adopters read those sites. Studio's read these sites. Retailers read these sites. We have to get our message out and with a lot of zeal and truth. I take these *******s on every chance I get and it get's bitter. I can't change their minds but I can influence others who might be looking for some direction on which way to go. I need your input. Here is what I believe are the solid selling points that I use to deflect the other sides zealots and what I sell as positives for Blu Ray.

What's good about Blu Ray:

50GB disks that allow lossless audio
A majority of Hollywood Studio's on board
A choice of many Standalone receivers to purchase
More Blu Ray capable machines with PS3's on the market
2 - 1 software sales advantage
Better scratch protection

The Disadvantages of HD DVD:

Combo Disks that cost more
One single company making their platform
Poor quality disks from Universal
XBOX 360's poor quality and need for repairs often
30 GB Disks that compress audio and video too much
Microsoft is a poor corporate partner

Am I missing anything? Please add and give me some more input. Time to raise the Black Flag and go on the offensive!

X-Ninja · 08-26-2007, 04:56 AM

your kinda late. i havent seen a thread about paramount in a while now...

i honestly dont care. ...at all.

nothing from paramount i really want to see. Transformers... thats it.
as long as lionsgate doesnt leave, im good...
unless lionsgate turns out to be like, a part of paramount or somthing. i honestly have no idea how anything works. but as long as i can see "War" in Blu - Im good.

wouldnt mind "The One" either.

EricJ · 08-26-2007, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-Ninja

your kinda late. i havent seen a thread about paramount in a while now...

i honestly dont care. ...at all.

Also, they've done their job as mine testers--
They took the bribe, it hit the papers, and we're seeing the ripples at the studios.

We know they've got 18 months to change their minds, and as we've seen with Warner, a lot can happen at other studios in 18 weeks, never mind months.
Pass over the shortrun, and keep your mind on the longrun.

PrinceLH · 08-26-2007, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-Ninja

your kinda late. i havent seen a thread about paramount in a while now...

i honestly dont care. ...at all.

nothing from paramount i really want to see. Transformers... thats it.
as long as lionsgate doesnt leave, im good...
unless lionsgate turns out to be like, a part of paramount or somthing. i honestly have no idea how anything works. but as long as i can see "War" in Blu - Im good.

wouldnt mind "The One" either.

The problem is, Warner may be waivering. We need to keep our numbers up and there is only two ways to keep them up, with the defection of Paramount.

One: Buy more software.

Two: Bring more Blu Ray supporters into the game.

Without proper education, we cannot get the recruits that we need to fight off all of the HD DVD ringmasters. They are on a full court press, on many of the other sites and we need to nuetralize them and make them look more stupid than they already are. To do so, we need to educate and fight with true facts.

Petra · 08-26-2007, 05:08 AM

my strategy is to keep buying blu-ray movies

PrinceLH · 08-26-2007, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petra

my strategy is to keep buying blu-ray movies

It is a good startegy, but we need to bring the undecided to the Blu Ray column, to make it work. We must keep our 2 - 1 software advantage and keep bringing in more recruits to help us keep it there or increase it. We cannot let Warner off the hook that easy, by making it appear that we're losing market share. All BD supporters need to buy right now and send a message!

BTBuck1 · 08-26-2007, 05:13 AM

IMO if we win the week of august 28th with not a single new release on Blu-ray, then HDDVD format is done for.

They (HDDVD) have:

Blades of Glory (Paramount)
Dawn of the Dead (2004) (Universal)
Heroes: Season One (Universal)
The Hurricane (2000) (Universal)
Notting Hill (Universal)

Blu-ray has:

Nada

I am optimistic, we'll still win the week. I'll go and buy something just to help!

bluskiff · 08-26-2007, 05:14 AM

I know what your talking about It drives me when people say they are the same. As far as paramount goes they just screwed themselves out of a lot of business. With my friends and family, and that is a lot of people I am the go to guy for movies and advice on hometheatre. I tell everyone stay away from hd dvd and they have I tell them to stop buying dvds cause hidef is coming and they have done that too. Right now I am telling everyone to boycott paramount,universal dreamworks and stay away (farway) from toshiba. All you can do is try your best to spread the word and thats what I'm doing.

supersix4 · 08-26-2007, 05:15 AM

yeah thought we had moved on from this!

maconomics · 08-26-2007, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceLH

OK, Blu Ray Brothers, Paramount folded, like a pair of deuces at the Poker table, so lets move on. Now we must start to plan on how were going to counterattack the full court press by the HD DVD zealots in every forum. We need to become stormtroopers and take them on with logic and zeal! We need to start making a list of what is good about our format and what is bad about theirs. We need to come to a conclusion on what we have to say and spread it everywhere, taking on all the liars and bullshitters who want to spread their garbage around.

Why do this? New adopters read those sites. Studio's read these sites. Retailers read these sites. We have to get our message out and with a lot of zeal and truth. I take these *******s on every chance I get and it get's bitter. I can't change their minds but I can influence others who might be looking for some direction on which way to go. I need your input. Here is what I believe are the solid selling points that I use to deflect the other sides zealots and what I sell as positives for Blu Ray.

What's good about Blu Ray:

50GB disks that allow lossless audio
A majority of Hollywood Studio's on board
A choice of many Standalone receivers to purchase
More Blu Ray capable machines with PS3's on the market
2 - 1 software sales advantage
Better scratch protection

The Disadvantages of HD DVD:

Combo Disks that cost more
One single company making their platform
Poor quality disks from Universal
XBOX 360's poor quality and need for repairs often
30 GB Disks that compress audio and video too much
Microsoft is a poor corporate partner

Am I missing anything? Please add and give me some more input. Time to raise the Black Flag and go on the offensive!

I totally agree! But I see another major announcement coming soon that will score more points for the big BLU.

bluskiff · 08-26-2007, 05:27 AM

moved on oh god no I want paramount and dreamworks to feel my pain so bad. I wanna see them squirm and the only way to do it is take away their market share. Thats the least I can do seeing how they screwed me and didn't even give me a single kiss

Mikeesracing · 08-26-2007, 05:37 AM

Keep buying movies. Money talks and I'll bet Paramount will be regreting their decision around January after the christmas season sales figures are in.

kaliraver · 08-26-2007, 05:37 AM

Be patient young grasshoppers good news comes to those that wait.

GasCat · 08-26-2007, 05:38 AM

We've done our part. We played the gig but one of the managers stole the profits and took off. At this point, it's up to Sony and the BDA to throw in some more money.

Industry analyst still predicts Blu-ray win in format war
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10813.cfm
"Bottoms broke down studio market share within Blu-ray-exclusive studios, showing that Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment commands a 14% piece; 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, 16%; Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, 18%; MGM Home Entertainment, 3%; and Lionsgate, 7%.

The HD DVD-only side accounts for 23% of the market, including 10% from Universal Studios Home Entertainment share and 13% from Paramount Home Entertainment. Warner Home Video, producing in both HD DVD and Blu-ray, accounts for 19% of the high-def market. "

If you want to do something then help end the consumer confusion.
Bottoms said. “I heard from a consumer, ‘I was going to buy an HDTV screen, but now I’m going to buy a Blu-ray screen."

kaliraver · 08-26-2007, 05:39 AM

I think Paramount might actually break their contract is up before those 18 months. There is just too much money they are going to be leaving on the table and their shareholders will start putting pressure on them. Between now and early 08 Universal might decide to go neutral since they are receiving alot of pressure from GE & stockholders to become HDM neutral.

pro-bassoonist · 08-26-2007, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceLH

Now we must start to plan on how were going to counterattack the full court press by the HD DVD zealots in every forum.
Why do this?

Agreed 100%. You could visit DVDTALK for inspiration. Some of the absurd "facts" that are being posted need to be argued, and won!

Why?

Because a lie repeated 100 times is....still a lie!

Pro-B

PrinceLH · 08-26-2007, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Agreed 100%. You could visit DVDTALK for inspiration. Some of the absurd "facts" that are being posted need to be argued, and won!

Why?

Because a lie repeated 100 times is....still a lie!

Pro-B

Did Hitlers propaganda Minister, Goebels say, "If you repeat a lie often enough, it will become a truth, or a fact"? That is what we need to combat when dealing with the HD DVD full court press. It's not about getting the HD DVD people to join us, it's too late. It's the undecided, the Studio's and the retailers who need to know truth, not the propaganda that permeates places like AVS and HD Digest. We have a 2 - 1 advantage in sales, but it seems like they have a 2 -1 advantage in debaters and liars. We have to get the news out! We can't let others do the talking for us.

Dave · 08-26-2007, 06:57 PM

They wil be back as soon as Blu-ray wins this was so stop whining already...

atomik kinder · 08-26-2007, 07:04 PM

I don't think Paramount really cares that they just lost 2/3rds of all their Hi Def Media sales. They just banked $150million and that is way more than they would make on selling BDs. One thing is certain. Transformers probably would have beat the crap out of 300 in total sales of discs, but now that is not possible.

The might outsell total HD DVDs, but will never reach the amount of BDs sold for 300. I don't think Warner will waver. BD on 300 has almost outsold the HD DVD 3:1. It would be stupid to think that Paramount defecting is really going to change anything in the amount of HD DVDs sold, it will slightly lower the amount of BDs sold, but with Fox back in there and the other smaller studios about to start, I think things will go a little more in BDs favor than it was in the past. Starz/Anchor bay is about ready to release in October and so is Fox. That is slightly more than a month away!

Hopefully Weinstein will be releasing the Grindhouse movies on BD only, just to piss off the HD DVD people.

Iron Man · 08-26-2007, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maconomics

But I see another major announcement coming soon that will score more points for the big BLU.

What announcement?

08-26-2007, 04:48 AM	#1
PrinceLH Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007	OK, Paramount is gone! Get over it & let's plot strategies! OK, Blu Ray Brothers, Paramount folded, like a pair of deuces at the Poker table, so lets move on. Now we must start to plan on how were going to counterattack the full court press by the HD DVD zealots in every forum. We need to become stormtroopers and take them on with logic and zeal! We need to start making a list of what is good about our format and what is bad about theirs. We need to come to a conclusion on what we have to say and spread it everywhere, taking on all the liars and bullshitters who want to spread their garbage around. Why do this? New adopters read those sites. Studio's read these sites. Retailers read these sites. We have to get our message out and with a lot of zeal and truth. I take these ******s on every chance I get and it get's bitter. I can't change their minds but I can influence others who might be looking for some direction on which way to go. I need your input. Here is what I believe are the solid selling points that I use to deflect the other sides zealots and what I sell as positives for Blu Ray. What's good about Blu Ray: 50GB disks that allow lossless audio A majority of Hollywood Studio's on board A choice of many Standalone receivers to purchase More Blu Ray capable machines with PS3's on the market 2 - 1 software sales advantage Better scratch protection The Disadvantages of HD DVD: Combo Disks that cost more One single company making their platform Poor quality disks from Universal XBOX 360's poor quality and need for repairs often 30 GB Disks that compress audio and video too much Microsoft is a poor corporate partner Am I missing anything? Please add and give me some more input. Time to raise the Black Flag and go on the offensive! Last edited by PrinceLH; 08-26-2007 at 04:50 AM.*

08-26-2007, 05:13 AM	#7
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	IMO if we win the week of august 28th with not a single new release on Blu-ray, then HDDVD format is done for. They (HDDVD) have: Blades of Glory (Paramount) Dawn of the Dead (2004) (Universal) Heroes: Season One (Universal) The Hurricane (2000) (Universal) Notting Hill (Universal) Blu-ray has: Nada I am optimistic, we'll still win the week. I'll go and buy something just to help! Last edited by BTBuck1; 08-26-2007 at 05:17 AM.

08-26-2007, 05:14 AM	#8
bluskiff Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 23	I know what your talking about It drives me when people say they are the same. As far as paramount goes they just screwed themselves out of a lot of business. With my friends and family, and that is a lot of people I am the go to guy for movies and advice on hometheatre. I tell everyone stay away from hd dvd and they have I tell them to stop buying dvds cause hidef is coming and they have done that too. Right now I am telling everyone to boycott paramount,universal dreamworks and stay away (farway) from toshiba. All you can do is try your best to spread the word and thats what I'm doing. Last edited by bluskiff; 08-26-2007 at 05:17 AM.

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08-26-2007, 04:56 AM	#2
X-Ninja Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:North Bay, Ontario Posts: Over 1100.......... PSNetwork- Axecution Blu-ray collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:6	your kinda late. i havent seen a thread about paramount in a while now... i honestly dont care. ...at all. nothing from paramount i really want to see. Transformers... thats it. as long as lionsgate doesnt leave, im good... unless lionsgate turns out to be like, a part of paramount or somthing. i honestly have no idea how anything works. but as long as i can see "War" in Blu - Im good. wouldnt mind "The One" either.

08-26-2007, 05:08 AM	#5
Petra Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	my strategy is to keep buying blu-ray movies

08-26-2007, 05:15 AM	#9
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	yeah thought we had moved on from this!

08-26-2007, 05:27 AM	#11
bluskiff Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 23	moved on oh god no I want paramount and dreamworks to feel my pain so bad. I wanna see them squirm and the only way to do it is take away their market share. Thats the least I can do seeing how they screwed me and didn't even give me a single kiss

08-26-2007, 05:37 AM	#12
Mikeesracing Active Member Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Kuwait	Keep buying movies. Money talks and I'll bet Paramount will be regreting their decision around January after the christmas season sales figures are in.

08-26-2007, 05:37 AM	#13
kaliraver Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Location:San Francisco Bay Blu-Ray SteelBooks™: (150+) Blu-ray collection:373 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:285	Be patient young grasshoppers good news comes to those that wait.

08-26-2007, 05:38 AM	#14
GasCat Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	We've done our part. We played the gig but one of the managers stole the profits and took off. At this point, it's up to Sony and the BDA to throw in some more money. Industry analyst still predicts Blu-ray win in format war http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10813.cfm "Bottoms broke down studio market share within Blu-ray-exclusive studios, showing that Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment commands a 14% piece; 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, 16%; Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, 18%; MGM Home Entertainment, 3%; and Lionsgate, 7%. The HD DVD-only side accounts for 23% of the market, including 10% from Universal Studios Home Entertainment share and 13% from Paramount Home Entertainment. Warner Home Video, producing in both HD DVD and Blu-ray, accounts for 19% of the high-def market. " If you want to do something then help end the consumer confusion. Bottoms said. “I heard from a consumer, ‘I was going to buy an HDTV screen, but now I’m going to buy a Blu-ray screen."

08-26-2007, 05:39 AM	#15
kaliraver Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Location:San Francisco Bay Blu-Ray SteelBooks™: (150+) Blu-ray collection:373 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:285	I think Paramount might actually break their contract is up before those 18 months. There is just too much money they are going to be leaving on the table and their shareholders will start putting pressure on them. Between now and early 08 Universal might decide to go neutral since they are receiving alot of pressure from GE & stockholders to become HDM neutral.

08-26-2007, 06:57 PM	#18
Dave Expert Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Somewhere	They wil be back as soon as Blu-ray wins this was so stop whining already...

08-26-2007, 07:04 PM	#19
atomik kinder Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Omaha NE 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	I don't think Paramount really cares that they just lost 2/3rds of all their Hi Def Media sales. They just banked $150million and that is way more than they would make on selling BDs. One thing is certain. Transformers probably would have beat the crap out of 300 in total sales of discs, but now that is not possible. The might outsell total HD DVDs, but will never reach the amount of BDs sold for 300. I don't think Warner will waver. BD on 300 has almost outsold the HD DVD 3:1. It would be stupid to think that Paramount defecting is really going to change anything in the amount of HD DVDs sold, it will slightly lower the amount of BDs sold, but with Fox back in there and the other smaller studios about to start, I think things will go a little more in BDs favor than it was in the past. Starz/Anchor bay is about ready to release in October and so is Fox. That is slightly more than a month away! Hopefully Weinstein will be releasing the Grindhouse movies on BD only, just to piss off the HD DVD people.

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