Warner Bros BLU-RAY audio - Blu-ray Forum

Satish Gounder · 09-22-2007, 04:09 PM

Can anyone tell me why Warner bros release most of their titles with just with DD 5.1 or DD plus.. but release an extended cut later with PCM., etc. I really hate to watch Swordfish, 300 and Alexander on just DD. Their marketing methods to release different versions at later date is really frustuating, making people wonder if they are ever going to release versions with DTS/PCM audio for 300, Swordfish, Alexander, Superman returns.... and their future releases of Gothika, Harry potter series, THE MATRIX SERIES, Shawshank redemption, T3, Green mile...

eclipset3t4 · 09-22-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Satish Gounder

Can anyone tell me why Warner bros release most of their titles with just with DD 5.1 or DD plus.. but release an extended cut later with PCM., etc. I really hate to watch Swordfish, 300 and Alexander on just DD. Their marketing methods to release different versions at later date is really frustuating, making people wonder if they are ever going to release versions with DTS/PCM audio for 300, Swordfish, Alexander, Superman returns.... and their future releases of Gothika, Harry potter series, THE MATRIX SERIES, Shawshank redemption, T3, Green mile...

Last time I heard, on my setup atleast, 300 has PCM and dolby true-hd...

eventually they'll get the picture that blu-rayians want the best pic and sound and to stop givin us the lame setups they give hd-dvd. Only time will tell. We'll see!

Satish Gounder · 09-22-2007, 04:20 PM

Thanks for correcting me....

ClaytonMG · 09-22-2007, 04:45 PM

300 has Dolby TrueHD and PCM, Letters from Iwo Jima has Dolby TrueHD, We Are Marshal has Dolby TrueHD, Blood Diamond has PCM, The Departed has PCM, Troy: Director's Cut has PCM, TMNT has Dolby TrueHD, I believe all the upcoming Kubrick films will have PCM on them, License To Wed will have PCM, The Reaping will have Dolby TrueHD...

ClaytonMG · 09-22-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eclipset3t4

Last time I heard, on my setup atleast, 300 has PCM and dolby true-hd...

eventually they'll get the picture that blu-rayians want the best pic and sound and to stop givin us the lame setups they give hd-dvd. Only time will tell. We'll see!

What about the few titles on HD-DVD that have uncompressed sound where the Blu-Ray doesn't? Like Superman Returns, Lady In The Water, Happy Feet, Ant Bully..

Deciazulado · 09-22-2007, 05:10 PM

Be aware that Warner DD 640 kb/s soundtracks are the same as Warners DD+ 640 kb/s soundtracks

btw the Elvises have DolbyTrueHD

BStecke · 09-22-2007, 05:27 PM

Warner is replacing the current version of Superman Returns with one that has PCM and TrueHD. Haven't seen it yet or else I'd have it, but they're (hopefully) starting to get the picture.

dobyblue · 09-22-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BStecke

Warner is replacing the current version of Superman Returns with one that has PCM and TrueHD. Haven't seen it yet or else I'd have it, but they're (hopefully) starting to get the picture.

Yes, it will roll out after the current versions are depleted. I think Pioneer had a timed exclusivity on that title to roll out the 94H and it ends right around Christmas.

Here's a scan of the back of my copy:

BStecke · 09-22-2007, 06:05 PM

Wouldn't happen to have an extra one of those, would ya Doby? I've wanted to watch this recently, but I'm trying to hold off until I get the re-release, as I find the DD track very unsatisfying.

Deciazulado · 09-22-2007, 06:08 PM

dobyblue, are the deleted scenes in 1080 in your copy?

w_tanoto · 09-22-2007, 06:21 PM

I'm guessing they just did the HD version, then just convert it to BD. As HD lack of space, that is the result, no PCM.
I don't use HDMI, yet I can feel the difference between 5.1 and PCM

BStecke · 09-22-2007, 06:24 PM

If you don't use HDMI, the only PCM you can utilize is 2.0. Those two channels will sound better, but I would still think the 5.1 would be more impressive.

TorpedoShockwave · 09-22-2007, 06:28 PM

I could care less about audio; my main concern is the video, since my main purpose is to watch the film. Plus all the BD movies which I own sound like crap on my TV through HDMI. They actually sounded much better with RCA audio. For some reason the dialogue audio is faint compared to the background audio with HDMI, it is hard to hear the conversation. If I raise the volume then the background volume gets even louder.

Or would I need a stereo system for HDMI, my TV does and only accepts 2.0 through HDMI, and sound like crap.

Can anyone help me with this issue please?

Anthony P · 09-22-2007, 06:59 PM

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If you don't use HDMI, the only PCM you can utilize is 2.0. Those two channels will sound better, but I would still think the 5.1 would be more impressive.

no, depends on the player.

w_tanoto · 09-22-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony P

no, depends on the player.

how bout ps3?? i hear difference

ClaytonMG · 09-22-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony P

no, depends on the player.

Wait, I am confused... If you use PCM, the only way you can truly take advantage of it is through HDMI and analog (which the PS3 doesn't have). Optical and coax wont carry anything more than 2.0... Unless that's what everyone is saying in which case I'll shut up.

TorpedoShockwave · 09-22-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony P

no, depends on the player.

Well if you said it depends on the player, my PS3 has shitty audio over HDMI to my TV. My TV only accepts PCM 2.0 over HDMI, and it sucks. The background sound is loud; however, the main dialogue is low. Therefore, it is hard to hear what they are saying.

TorpedoShockwave · 09-22-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Wait, I am confused... If you use PCM, the only way you can truly take advantage of it is through HDMI and analog (which the PS3 doesn't have). Optical and coax wont carry anything more than 2.0... Unless that's what everyone is saying in which case I'll shut up.

Ok now you have confused my, PS3 does have analog audio, it is over RCA, and you know the audio left/right cable. Unless you were talking about HDMI.

WriteSimply · 09-22-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TorpedoShockwave

Or would I need a stereo system for HDMI, my TV does and only accepts 2.0 through HDMI, and sound like crap.

Can anyone help me with this issue please?

You need to get yourself a decent set of surround speakers (5.1 to begin with) and a HDMI receiver (Onkyo 605 is pretty cheap) to get the full effect of the movie. Half of the movie is in the audio, you know.

We can't help you with the money issue on getting the surround setup. But we can help you with the setup.

fuad

Anthony P · 09-22-2007, 07:23 PM

w_tanoto: There are three ways to send out audio from the player

1) Optical : this can only be 2ch of PCM
2) Analog : this will send out the analog representation of the PCM stream but will depend on the number of analog out of the device, and the PS3 only has two
3) HDMI : this can do multichannel PCM

So what he said is right for the PS3 (you can't do lossless at 5.1 except with HDMI), but there are other players that have all the way up to 7.1 over analog.

As for hearing a difference? look at the settings on your PS3, what are you sending out? Even if it is the same thing there can be differences even if it is the same CODEC because the studio’s DD (or DTS) used a different encoder and the two could have encoded it slightly differently.

09-22-2007, 04:09 PM	#1
Satish Gounder Member Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:64 Trading Score:3	Warner Bros BLU-RAY audio Can anyone tell me why Warner bros release most of their titles with just with DD 5.1 or DD plus.. but release an extended cut later with PCM., etc. I really hate to watch Swordfish, 300 and Alexander on just DD. Their marketing methods to release different versions at later date is really frustuating, making people wonder if they are ever going to release versions with DTS/PCM audio for 300, Swordfish, Alexander, Superman returns.... and their future releases of Gothika, Harry potter series, THE MATRIX SERIES, Shawshank redemption, T3, Green mile...

09-22-2007, 06:28 PM	#13
TorpedoShockwave Banned Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Chicago, IL	I could care less about audio; my main concern is the video, since my main purpose is to watch the film. Plus all the BD movies which I own sound like crap on my TV through HDMI. They actually sounded much better with RCA audio. For some reason the dialogue audio is faint compared to the background audio with HDMI, it is hard to hear the conversation. If I raise the volume then the background volume gets even louder. Or would I need a stereo system for HDMI, my TV does and only accepts 2.0 through HDMI, and sound like crap. Can anyone help me with this issue please? Last edited by TorpedoShockwave; 09-22-2007 at 06:30 PM.

09-22-2007, 07:23 PM	#20
Anthony P Blu-ray Count Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Montreal, Canada	w_tanoto: There are three ways to send out audio from the player 1) Optical : this can only be 2ch of PCM 2) Analog : this will send out the analog representation of the PCM stream but will depend on the number of analog out of the device, and the PS3 only has two 3) HDMI : this can do multichannel PCM So what he said is right for the PS3 (you can't do lossless at 5.1 except with HDMI), but there are other players that have all the way up to 7.1 over analog. As for hearing a difference? look at the settings on your PS3, what are you sending out? Even if it is the same thing there can be differences even if it is the same CODEC because the studio’s DD (or DTS) used a different encoder and the two could have encoded it slightly differently. Last edited by Anthony P; 09-22-2007 at 07:27 PM.

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09-22-2007, 04:20 PM	#3
Satish Gounder Member Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:64 Trading Score:3	Thanks for correcting me....

09-22-2007, 04:45 PM	#4
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:833 Blu-ray collection:2370 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	300 has Dolby TrueHD and PCM, Letters from Iwo Jima has Dolby TrueHD, We Are Marshal has Dolby TrueHD, Blood Diamond has PCM, The Departed has PCM, Troy: Director's Cut has PCM, TMNT has Dolby TrueHD, I believe all the upcoming Kubrick films will have PCM on them, License To Wed will have PCM, The Reaping will have Dolby TrueHD...

09-22-2007, 05:10 PM	#6
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7041 DVD collection:4040	Be aware that Warner DD 640 kb/s soundtracks are the same as Warners DD+ 640 kb/s soundtracks btw the Elvises have DolbyTrueHD

09-22-2007, 05:27 PM	#7
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	Warner is replacing the current version of Superman Returns with one that has PCM and TrueHD. Haven't seen it yet or else I'd have it, but they're (hopefully) starting to get the picture.

09-22-2007, 06:05 PM	#9
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	Wouldn't happen to have an extra one of those, would ya Doby? I've wanted to watch this recently, but I'm trying to hold off until I get the re-release, as I find the DD track very unsatisfying.

09-22-2007, 06:08 PM	#10
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7041 DVD collection:4040	dobyblue, are the deleted scenes in 1080 in your copy?

09-22-2007, 06:21 PM	#11
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	I'm guessing they just did the HD version, then just convert it to BD. As HD lack of space, that is the result, no PCM. I don't use HDMI, yet I can feel the difference between 5.1 and PCM

09-22-2007, 06:24 PM	#12
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	If you don't use HDMI, the only PCM you can utilize is 2.0. Those two channels will sound better, but I would still think the 5.1 would be more impressive.

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