What about Disney and Lionsgate catalog titles? - Blu-ray Forum

Nick Graham · 09-26-2007, 09:37 PM

I was looking at the new catalog releases at the local Hastings yesterday (I've got my eye on the new Cujo SE), and started wondering - what in the heck happened to Lions Gate catalog releases? They've still got a few blockbusters left in their library, like the Rambo sequels, The Running Man, etc, and while they started out with wave after wave of catalog titles, the closest we've come lately is "Waiting", which is only a couple of years old.

This made me start wondering where in the heck the big Bruckheimer titles were at (like The Rock, Con Air, Crimson Tide, etc), and I started wondering if the rumor that ran quite a while back that Disney was holding off on a lot of catalog titles since they weren't selling well was true, and if Lions Gate had also adopted this philosophy.

I'm not trying to spread the dreaded FUD, but it does have me worried. My interests in Blu and HD have always leaned more towards catalog titles, in fact the last five titles I bought were the Anchro Bay releases and Deliverance.

phloyd · 09-26-2007, 09:57 PM

Cars is a catalog title

Banjo · 09-26-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by phloyd

Cars is a catalog title

So is 'Sleeping Beauty'.

Blu-Runner · 09-26-2007, 09:59 PM

Well, I hope not.

The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe is one of my most anticipated BDs announced for early next year. (This is a great fantasy epic to tide me over until LotR).)

Sir Terrence · 09-26-2007, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Graham

This made me start wondering where in the heck the big Bruckheimer titles were at (like The Rock, Con Air, Crimson Tide, etc), and I started wondering if the rumor that ran quite a while back that Disney was holding off on a lot of catalog titles since they weren't selling well was true, and if Lions Gate had also adopted this philosophy.

I'm not trying to spread the dreaded FUD, but it does have me worried. My interests in Blu and HD have always leaned more towards catalog titles, in fact the last five titles I bought were the Anchro Bay releases and Deliverance.

The rumor is correct. They are holding off on catalog titles until there are more players in the field. The ones already released are not selling as well as day and date DVD and bluray releases.

You are going to have to wait a little longer for Disney's catalog titles. Some will be released next year, and they have already been annouced.

Banjo · 09-26-2007, 10:03 PM

There are 4 catalog titles from Disney scheduled to be released by the end of this year.

• Badder Santa: Unrated
• Cars
• Pixar Short Films Collection, Vol. 1
• Scary Movie

Polyh3dron · 09-26-2007, 10:36 PM

I want Lawrence of Arabia and I want it NOW.

Banjo · 09-26-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyh3dron

I want Lawrence of Arabia and I want it NOW.

Here's a cookie. Hope that'll keep you satisfied till then.

WickyWoo · 09-26-2007, 10:38 PM

The Buckheimer stuff would likely be tied in with National Treasure 2. Say April/May 08

Merlins · 09-26-2007, 10:50 PM

Wouldn't blame them. Catalogue titles haven't been selling so good on either format. They won't win the format war. One some important catalogue titles like Star Wars or LotR might do a real impact. Many people thought that The Matrix-movies should be big sellers but the three Matrix-movies together have in revenue sold 30% less than Casino Royale for example.

Day-and-dates are what sell absolutely the most. Most energy should be put in these titles with some important catalogue titles to fill up between the day-and-dates.

alkalinesi · 09-27-2007, 12:09 AM

yea well bug from lionsgate wasnt a catalogue title and wheres that? sorry guys just alil mad they didnt try to get that out, i thought that movie was pretty damn good.

bdrex28 · 09-27-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyh3dron

I want Lawrence of Arabia and I want it NOW.

A-Freaking-men!!

My favorite movie of all time.

Also, I'd like to see Beckett in Blu-Ray as well as Captain Blood, To Catch a Thief, North by Northwest.......

Frumious Boojum · 09-27-2007, 01:59 PM

Remember -- Disney basically did the same thing with DVD. Oddly (quite possibly because they were under the care of Eisner and not Iger at the time), they were VERY hesitant to release anything on DVD during the first few years. Not only that, but the widescreen releases weren't anamorphic, there was no animation released (except for ONE Beauty and the Beast sequel), and special features were near non-existant. Oldest titles were usually the biggest of the 80s movies (TRON -- I want that on BD! Got the LD box set, the original DVD, the anniversary DVD, the UMD, need the movie again!). Anything older or more obscure had to be released through Anchor Bay (who was bound by the anamorphic ban, but made up in great packaging and bonuses occasionally). Disney is doing a LOT better this time around. Instead of taking the backwards steps and fearing a new format, they're completely embracing it, even more than Sony sometimes.

There's just no financial basis for releasing the old titles on Blu-Ray yet when they're too widely available on DVD. We know that Sleeping Beauty will be the first classic animated movie release (probably the first pre-Touchstone release, actually). Sleeping Beauty is also not currently available on DVD (on moratorium status), so that's another plus. I'd expect to see the biggest of the big before anything else -- Mary Poppins and the like. And hopefully we can see a great Roger Rabbit release soon, too.

Bullseye · 09-27-2007, 02:01 PM

The Rock and Con Air are available on Region B.

I also think they are region free.

mc2007 · 09-27-2007, 02:04 PM

Well, on Europe not only do we have THE ROCK and CON AIR availables on pristine copies with PCM 5.1 sound, but also CRIMSON TIDE, AIR FORCE ONE and FACE/OFF

dialog_gvf · 09-27-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Graham

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This made me start wondering where in the heck the big Bruckheimer titles were at (like The Rock, Con Air, Crimson Tide, etc), and I started wondering if the rumor that ran quite a while back that Disney was holding off on a lot of catalog titles since they weren't selling well was true, and if Lions Gate had also adopted this philosophy.

They are all out in the UK. I have imported all three.

The title surge for the rest of this year is pretty huge. It may be Disney simply decided to wait until after the holidays to have some key catalog titles to release in Q1.

But, for sure, if a lack of sales is causing them to re-think, what must Universal be thinking about now?

Gary

09-26-2007, 09:37 PM	#1
Nick Graham Senior Member Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:345 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:1	What about Disney and Lionsgate catalog titles? I was looking at the new catalog releases at the local Hastings yesterday (I've got my eye on the new Cujo SE), and started wondering - what in the heck happened to Lions Gate catalog releases? They've still got a few blockbusters left in their library, like the Rambo sequels, The Running Man, etc, and while they started out with wave after wave of catalog titles, the closest we've come lately is "Waiting", which is only a couple of years old. This made me start wondering where in the heck the big Bruckheimer titles were at (like The Rock, Con Air, Crimson Tide, etc), and I started wondering if the rumor that ran quite a while back that Disney was holding off on a lot of catalog titles since they weren't selling well was true, and if Lions Gate had also adopted this philosophy. I'm not trying to spread the dreaded FUD, but it does have me worried. My interests in Blu and HD have always leaned more towards catalog titles, in fact the last five titles I bought were the Anchro Bay releases and Deliverance.

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09-26-2007, 09:59 PM	#4
Blu-Runner Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:85 Blu-ray collection:203 DVD collection:3 Trading Score:16	Well, I hope not. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe is one of my most anticipated BDs announced for early next year. (This is a great fantasy epic to tide me over until LotR).)

09-26-2007, 10:03 PM	#6
Banjo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:143	There are 4 catalog titles from Disney scheduled to be released by the end of this year. • Badder Santa: Unrated • Cars • Pixar Short Films Collection, Vol. 1 • Scary Movie

09-26-2007, 10:36 PM	#7
Polyh3dron Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	I want Lawrence of Arabia and I want it NOW.

09-26-2007, 10:38 PM	#9
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	The Buckheimer stuff would likely be tied in with National Treasure 2. Say April/May 08

09-26-2007, 10:50 PM	#10
Merlins Senior Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Göteborg, Sweden	Wouldn't blame them. Catalogue titles haven't been selling so good on either format. They won't win the format war. One some important catalogue titles like Star Wars or LotR might do a real impact. Many people thought that The Matrix-movies should be big sellers but the three Matrix-movies together have in revenue sold 30% less than Casino Royale for example. Day-and-dates are what sell absolutely the most. Most energy should be put in these titles with some important catalogue titles to fill up between the day-and-dates.

09-27-2007, 12:09 AM	#11
alkalinesi Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:South Jersey Home Theater Gallery:35 Blu-ray collection:429 DVD collection:20 Trading Score:52	yea well bug from lionsgate wasnt a catalogue title and wheres that? sorry guys just alil mad they didnt try to get that out, i thought that movie was pretty damn good.

09-27-2007, 01:59 PM	#13
Frumious Boojum Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Columbus, OH Blu-ray collection:115 Blu-ray reviews: 4	Remember -- Disney basically did the same thing with DVD. Oddly (quite possibly because they were under the care of Eisner and not Iger at the time), they were VERY hesitant to release anything on DVD during the first few years. Not only that, but the widescreen releases weren't anamorphic, there was no animation released (except for ONE Beauty and the Beast sequel), and special features were near non-existant. Oldest titles were usually the biggest of the 80s movies (TRON -- I want that on BD! Got the LD box set, the original DVD, the anniversary DVD, the UMD, need the movie again!). Anything older or more obscure had to be released through Anchor Bay (who was bound by the anamorphic ban, but made up in great packaging and bonuses occasionally). Disney is doing a LOT better this time around. Instead of taking the backwards steps and fearing a new format, they're completely embracing it, even more than Sony sometimes. There's just no financial basis for releasing the old titles on Blu-Ray yet when they're too widely available on DVD. We know that Sleeping Beauty will be the first classic animated movie release (probably the first pre-Touchstone release, actually). Sleeping Beauty is also not currently available on DVD (on moratorium status), so that's another plus. I'd expect to see the biggest of the big before anything else -- Mary Poppins and the like. And hopefully we can see a great Roger Rabbit release soon, too.

09-27-2007, 02:01 PM	#14
Bullseye Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Ireland Home Theater Gallery:24 4K collection:70 Blu-ray collection:760 Blu-ray reviews: 44	The Rock and Con Air are available on Region B. I also think they are region free.

09-27-2007, 02:04 PM	#15
mc2007 Junior Member Member since:May 2007	Well, on Europe not only do we have THE ROCK and CON AIR availables on pristine copies with PCM 5.1 sound, but also CRIMSON TIDE, AIR FORCE ONE and FACE/OFF

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