Can Blu-ray win the format with PS3 winning the console war? - Blu-ray Forum

MotionBlurr · 10-19-2007, 03:15 AM

Lets say next year around this time X-box manages to sell 20 million worldwide and PS3 is at 15 million (I am not going say it will happen but just "if') That is still 15 million blu-ray players in homes. And let us say half of those are used extensively for watching movies.

Is 7.5 million PS3s plus the stand alone Blu-ray players enough to win Toshibas stand alone HD-DUD players?

Maxell · 10-19-2007, 04:05 AM

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All I'll say is that the PS3 is a major asset for blu-ray. PS3 may not win the console war but they are far from disappearring also. There's something about video gaming in which a few consoles can sell against each other, yet many people are on the fence waiting on blu vs dud.

The PS3 is way better of a value than a cheap Toshiba player, or a ring-of-death possible 360 + hdud addon.

MotionBlurr · 10-19-2007, 04:15 AM

Done

Thanks, Maxell

Vallos · 10-19-2007, 06:37 AM

Well since the current PS3 attachment rate to Blu media is about 20% that would mean even if there were 15 million PS3s in the US by next year only about 3 million would be being used to watch movies.

But since its more likely that they'll sell about 3-4 million PS3s over the next 12 months (about double what they did this year) that means that with the current 2 million out there about 1.2 million will be being used for movies.

So overall, I don't think that Blu will win by next year from PS3 sales alone.

Time to sell more stand alone units!

Santeria · 10-19-2007, 06:40 AM

well if ps3 wins the console war, im pretty sure blu-ray would win cause thats about 5 mil ps3s sold or something to "win"

Digital Filmmaker · 10-19-2007, 07:28 AM

I think those statistics are low.

EVERYONE I know who owns a PS3 has at least some Blu-ray titles - without exception. Believe me, most PS3 owners are well-aware of the hi-def playback capability that the console offers.

Even if the hard-core gamers don't initially start a library of Blu-ray disc titles, I think that it is inevitable that a very large percentage will do so in the not-too-distant future.

Maxell · 10-19-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vallos

Well since the current PS3 attachment rate to Blu media is about 20% that would mean even if there were 15 million PS3s in the US by next year only about 3 million would be being used to watch movies.

But since its more likely that they'll sell about 3-4 million PS3s over the next 12 months (about double what they did this year) that means that with the current 2 million out there about 1.2 million will be being used for movies.

So overall, I don't think that Blu will win by next year from PS3 sales alone.

Time to sell more stand alone units!

Those are some horrible statistics. Even if there were a 20% attachment rate to PS3 systems, that does not account for the movies bought after the system is bought. Unfortunately no one really knows how many blu-ray movies are purchased by PS3 owners. But I'm sure it is a high percent and probably even more than the entire hddvd market.

Most PS3 owners buy blu-ray movies, unless they either a) use the PS3 solely for gaming or b) don't have a HDTV set so doesn't bother.

raggarichie · 10-19-2007, 08:27 AM

I don't think they can

Every minute Toshiba get, you hear them making comparison or statements how they have the lead with standalone players. In order for BDA to win this Format war. The Blu Ray Hardware manufacturers will have to find a way to take losses on its hardware, like how Sony is taking losses on there Ps3.

The five free movies with the players, just not cutting it any more. Instead of that give us the difference the five movies would cost as a discount or a rebate off the player.

How many on this forum uses there PS3 as there player, but if the prices on the new players were lower or if there was some sort of mail in rebates on them, would purchase a stand a lone for another room. I know for a fact that if that was the case I would have 3 blu ray players.

I’m getting nervous at this point, I hope the BDA don’t wait until another major one of there supporter drop them, like Paramount did for them to get off there ass like what Fox had to do.

The attach rate argument is a crop of sh*t. not everyone who bought a stand a lone player is purchasing movies every Tuesday. Some rent, some buy and especially with the prices for movies being so high the attached to me is right where it should be. If you buy a ps3 that means, you must be buying or have plans to buy some sort of games for it on Tuesday, then you add $30 dollars for a movie you can rent at your blockbuster.

If you think this is not case just look at Amazon top 100. Blu ray have 77 movies in it compare to 17 for HDDVD. Now the main reason you have so many movies that people normally wouldn’t buy on the list is because of the BOGO and reduce price movies. I hope the BDA or the insiders on these forums are taking note, that the price of the movies is what’s going to make the real difference.

HMtheJJ · 10-19-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vallos

Well since the current PS3 attachment rate to Blu media is about 20% that would mean even if there were 15 million PS3s in the US by next year only about 3 million would be being used to watch movies.

But since its more likely that they'll sell about 3-4 million PS3s over the next 12 months (about double what they did this year) that means that with the current 2 million out there about 1.2 million will be being used for movies.

So overall, I don't think that Blu will win by next year from PS3 sales alone.

Time to sell more stand alone units!

PS3 sold about 5 mils now!!! u might wanna know!

quetzalcoatl · 10-19-2007, 08:45 AM

Where I am not sure where they found the people to survey the numbers do not show it.

http://www.ripten.com/2007/08/13/60-...lu-ray-player/

Remember this is only 2 months old. It is not that the attatchment rates are so low it is that the buyers are not educated to even know they can buy the discs. If you factor that in it means 50% of those that know buy discs. now that is not too bad a number. If you use the 20% number are buying discs, which I donot know if that is right or not.

w_tanoto · 10-19-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HMtheJJ

PS3 sold about 5 mils now!!! u might wanna know!

5 mils compared to about 11 mils xbox, 12 mils wii. impressive, considering ps3 has only been around shorter than xbox. I bet the number will be further up with this 40GB

HMtheJJ · 10-19-2007, 09:02 AM

of course it's impressive as i posted at gamespot.com, if PS3 was selling for the same price as Wii since Day one, I bet PS3 can crash Wii like it never existed!!!

docjan_uk · 10-19-2007, 09:05 AM

If my aunt was a man, she'd be my uncle.

HMtheJJ · 10-19-2007, 09:12 AM

Bad Education!

tru2blu707 · 10-19-2007, 01:40 PM

like i said before....not everyone who has a PS3 has an HDTV. so not everyone will be buying blu ray movies for it. once they do upgrade to HDTV then the numbers will be MUCH higher on ps3 owners buying blu ray movies. i had the ps3 for almost a year without buying any blu ray movies...but once i bought my HDTV....i went out and bought 10 blu ray movies that week! M$ screwed it up by not including HDDVD as standard equipment for the 360.

SS316SRV · 10-19-2007, 01:42 PM

There is no console war. If there is it bares no resembelance to the format war.

tru2blu707 · 10-19-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

5 mils compared to about 11 mils xbox, 12 mils wii. impressive, considering ps3 has only been around shorter than xbox. I bet the number will be further up with this 40GB

actually this just in http://nexgenwars.com/gaming_news/54...ales-WorldWide

TruBlu2 · 10-19-2007, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vallos

Well since the current PS3 attachment rate to Blu media is about 20% that would mean even if there were 15 million PS3s in the US by next year only about 3 million would be being used to watch movies.

But since its more likely that they'll sell about 3-4 million PS3s over the next 12 months (about double what they did this year) that means that with the current 2 million out there about 1.2 million will be being used for movies.

So overall, I don't think that Blu will win by next year from PS3 sales alone.

Time to sell more stand alone units!

your #'s are a bit off. The PS3 effect is gaining a lot of momentum week after week. The PS3 effect was slow to start, but now its coming into its own and the attach rates are going to go way up.

They are going tp sell 5-10mil units in the next 12 months, if not more.

The stand alones are selling more and more as the weeks go on and will pass hdduds sales #'s

BD and PS3 is looking good and the future is BRIGHT!!!

talbers23 · 10-19-2007, 04:06 PM

hell yes! thats part of the reason im getting a 40gb ps3 right when they come out. Im going to start buying games on ps3 instead of the 360 (with the exception of rock band, guitar hero 3 and other would have to be amazing exclusives because I've already invested a ton in guitar hero) if they are out for both systems. Im hoping to get at least a few of my friends on board with ps3 to help sales an equally important, blu-ray.

w_tanoto · 10-19-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tru2blu707

actually this just in http://nexgenwars.com/gaming_news/54...ales-WorldWide

6 million???

even better

10-19-2007, 03:15 AM	#1
MotionBlurr Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	Can Blu-ray win the format war without PS3 winning the console war? Lets say next year around this time X-box manages to sell 20 million worldwide and PS3 is at 15 million (I am not going say it will happen but just "if') That is still 15 million blu-ray players in homes. And let us say half of those are used extensively for watching movies. Is 7.5 million PS3s plus the stand alone Blu-ray players enough to win Toshibas stand alone HD-DUD players? Last edited by MotionBlurr; 10-19-2007 at 07:15 PM.

10-19-2007, 08:27 AM	#8
raggarichie Member Member since:Aug 2007	I don't think they can Every minute Toshiba get, you hear them making comparison or statements how they have the lead with standalone players. In order for BDA to win this Format war. The Blu Ray Hardware manufacturers will have to find a way to take losses on its hardware, like how Sony is taking losses on there Ps3. The five free movies with the players, just not cutting it any more. Instead of that give us the difference the five movies would cost as a discount or a rebate off the player. How many on this forum uses there PS3 as there player, but if the prices on the new players were lower or if there was some sort of mail in rebates on them, would purchase a stand a lone for another room. I know for a fact that if that was the case I would have 3 blu ray players. I’m getting nervous at this point, I hope the BDA don’t wait until another major one of there supporter drop them, like Paramount did for them to get off there ass like what Fox had to do. The attach rate argument is a crop of sht. not everyone who bought a stand a lone player is purchasing movies every Tuesday. Some rent, some buy and especially with the prices for movies being so high the attached to me is right where it should be. If you buy a ps3 that means, you must be buying or have plans to buy some sort of games for it on Tuesday, then you add $30 dollars for a movie you can rent at your blockbuster. If you think this is not case just look at Amazon top 100. Blu ray have 77 movies in it compare to 17 for HDDVD. Now the main reason you have so many movies that people normally wouldn’t buy on the list is because of the BOGO and reduce price movies. I hope the BDA or the insiders on these forums are taking note, that the price of the movies is what’s going to make the real difference. Last edited by raggarichie; 10-19-2007 at 08:41 AM.*

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10-19-2007, 04:05 AM	#2
Maxell Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007	you can edit your title by using "advanced options" All I'll say is that the PS3 is a major asset for blu-ray. PS3 may not win the console war but they are far from disappearring also. There's something about video gaming in which a few consoles can sell against each other, yet many people are on the fence waiting on blu vs dud. The PS3 is way better of a value than a cheap Toshiba player, or a ring-of-death possible 360 + hdud addon.

10-19-2007, 04:15 AM	#3
MotionBlurr Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	Done Thanks, Maxell

10-19-2007, 06:37 AM	#4
Vallos Banned Member since:Oct 2007	Well since the current PS3 attachment rate to Blu media is about 20% that would mean even if there were 15 million PS3s in the US by next year only about 3 million would be being used to watch movies. But since its more likely that they'll sell about 3-4 million PS3s over the next 12 months (about double what they did this year) that means that with the current 2 million out there about 1.2 million will be being used for movies. So overall, I don't think that Blu will win by next year from PS3 sales alone. Time to sell more stand alone units!

10-19-2007, 06:40 AM	#5
Santeria Special Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:San Diego Home Theater Gallery:14 Blu-ray collection:20 Trading Score:4	well if ps3 wins the console war, im pretty sure blu-ray would win cause thats about 5 mil ps3s sold or something to "win"

10-19-2007, 07:28 AM	#6
Digital Filmmaker Active Member Member since:Mar 2006 4K collection:183 Blu-ray collection:1588 DVD collection:405	I think those statistics are low. EVERYONE I know who owns a PS3 has at least some Blu-ray titles - without exception. Believe me, most PS3 owners are well-aware of the hi-def playback capability that the console offers. Even if the hard-core gamers don't initially start a library of Blu-ray disc titles, I think that it is inevitable that a very large percentage will do so in the not-too-distant future.

10-19-2007, 08:45 AM	#10
quetzalcoatl Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Grants Pass, OR	Where I am not sure where they found the people to survey the numbers do not show it. http://www.ripten.com/2007/08/13/60-...lu-ray-player/ Remember this is only 2 months old. It is not that the attatchment rates are so low it is that the buyers are not educated to even know they can buy the discs. If you factor that in it means 50% of those that know buy discs. now that is not too bad a number. If you use the 20% number are buying discs, which I donot know if that is right or not.

10-19-2007, 09:02 AM	#12
HMtheJJ Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray collection:56 Blu-ray reviews:2	of course it's impressive as i posted at gamespot.com, if PS3 was selling for the same price as Wii since Day one, I bet PS3 can crash Wii like it never existed!!!

10-19-2007, 09:05 AM	#13
docjan_uk Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray reviews:5	If my aunt was a man, she'd be my uncle.

10-19-2007, 09:12 AM	#14
HMtheJJ Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray collection:56 Blu-ray reviews:2	Bad Education!

10-19-2007, 01:40 PM	#15
tru2blu707 Senior Member Member since:Oct 2007	like i said before....not everyone who has a PS3 has an HDTV. so not everyone will be buying blu ray movies for it. once they do upgrade to HDTV then the numbers will be MUCH higher on ps3 owners buying blu ray movies. i had the ps3 for almost a year without buying any blu ray movies...but once i bought my HDTV....i went out and bought 10 blu ray movies that week! M$ screwed it up by not including HDDVD as standard equipment for the 360.

10-19-2007, 01:42 PM	#16
SS316SRV Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Appleton, WI Blu-ray collection:74	There is no console war. If there is it bares no resembelance to the format war.

10-19-2007, 04:06 PM	#19
talbers23 Active Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:24 iTunes collection:45	hell yes! thats part of the reason im getting a 40gb ps3 right when they come out. Im going to start buying games on ps3 instead of the 360 (with the exception of rock band, guitar hero 3 and other would have to be amazing exclusives because I've already invested a ton in guitar hero) if they are out for both systems. Im hoping to get at least a few of my friends on board with ps3 to help sales an equally important, blu-ray.

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