The format war is great! - Blu-ray Forum

stephenj · 10-20-2007, 04:12 AM

Does anyone think we'd have gotten that great BOGO deal of this past week had it not been Transformers/HD-DVD week?

Heck no!

Competition is a great thing ...

darkpoet25 · 10-20-2007, 04:29 AM

And don't forget all the great CE support for Blu as well.

ESUNintel · 10-20-2007, 04:30 AM

It is a good thing. It it were not for Toshiba and HD-DVD, Blu-ray technology would not be being pushed to its limit. We wouldn't be seeing prices go down, great technological advancements and a lot more.

...so thank-you so very much Toshiba and HD-DVD companies, if it were not for you guys Blu-ray would not be as great as it is!!

Petra_Kalbrain · 10-20-2007, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ESUNintel

It is a good thing. It it were not for Toshiba and HD-DVD, Blu-ray technology would not be being pushed to its limit. We wouldn't be seeing prices go down, great technological advancements and a lot more.

...so thank-you so very much Toshiba and HD-DVD companies, if it were not for you guys Blu-ray would not be as great as it is!!

Yes... thank you Toshiba... thank you HD DVD group... but, now that you have been our canon fodder.... DIE ALREADY!!!

stephenj · 10-20-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ESUNintel

It is a good thing. It it were not for Toshiba and HD-DVD, Blu-ray technology would not be being pushed to its limit. We wouldn't be seeing prices go down, great technological advancements and a lot more.

...so thank-you so very much Toshiba and HD-DVD companies, if it were not for you guys Blu-ray would not be as great as it is!!

Yep, and it works the other way as well, eg, HD-DVD coming out with a 50G disc since that's obviously been an advantage for BD, despite their claims to the contrary.

mdm1699 · 10-20-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stephenj

Does anyone think we'd have gotten that great BOGO deal of this past week had it not been Transformers/HD-DVD week?

Heck no!

Competition is a great thing ...

Some say we need germs in order to strengthen our immune system. HD-DVD was a band-aid and is now a barrier to progress. As for sales, that is why we have laws against price-fixing.

docjan_uk · 10-20-2007, 01:15 PM

The format war has led to better quality transfers, a rush to improve functionality and cheaper players/media.

So long as one format wins in a year or so and all the studios put material onto the winner, I don't care if the successor (BD

) becomes as big as DVD.
The only danger is that it turns into a niche format, though I don't think there's too much of a chance of that happening.

Jazar · 10-20-2007, 01:18 PM

The BOGO deal is great but I would rather have 100% studio support.

monkyman · 10-20-2007, 01:20 PM

OK, i'll be the one to say it....SCREW Toshiba and HD-DVD, it would be a better place if they never existed.

Whew, glad I got that off my chest.

Joe Cain · 10-20-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazar

The BOGO deal is great but I would rather have 100% studio support.

Ditto that. I want my Paramount & Universal titles. Factionalization of the studios is the biggest thing keeping the war going and it's keeping an awful lot of people on the sidelines.

mdm1699 · 10-20-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by docjan_uk

The format war has led to better quality transfers, a rush to improve functionality and cheaper players/media.

So long as one format wins in a year or so and all the studios put material onto the winner, I don't care if the successor (BD

) becomes as big as DVD.
The only danger is that it turns into a niche format, though I don't think there's too much of a chance of that happening.

I see what you are saying. However, it wasn't the format war that drove down the price of DVD players and increased functionality/features in those players. It was manufacturers competing against each other under one unified format. The presence of HD-DVD prevents this because everyone else is waiting for a winner. Mass adoption in hardware will lead to a decrease in price for software.

docjan_uk · 10-20-2007, 01:28 PM

Again, so long as they come round in a year, maybe 18 months, I don't care

.
There are lots of titles made by the other studios that I want and can get before Universal and Paramount go to BD.
I can't help but think that the format war led to AVC and VC-1 encodes on BD50's with good transfers as opposed to MPEG-2 on BD25's with questionable transfers.
Seems people are quite impatient these days.

w_tanoto · 10-20-2007, 04:09 PM

IMO, not great anymore..... we need one format now.

jorg · 10-20-2007, 04:18 PM

w_ tanoto is rite the format war was great rite up untill this x mas season

davidAZ · 10-20-2007, 05:19 PM

I can see how it has helped progress...

but I doubt that it would be the end of great sales/prices when there's just one format to choose from, after all, there's still DVD. And this past weekend I was thrilled to see Blu-ray sales lower than their respective DVD prices in many cases. $10-$15 is a great range for Blu-rays and should still be somewhat profitable for the retailers, new releases being the exception of course.

cartier · 10-20-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm1699

Some say we need germs in order to strengthen our immune system.

This is true. Looks like someone has some knowledge of biology.

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Originally Posted by mdm1699

I see what you are saying. However, it wasn't the format war that drove down the price of DVD players and increased functionality/features in those players. It was manufacturers competing against each other under one unified format. The presence of HD-DVD prevents this because everyone else is waiting for a winner. Mass adoption in hardware will lead to a decrease in price for software.

Looks like someone has at least some knowledge of economics too. I wish more people understood this and did not attribute the format war for lowering prices. It seams many fail to understand that if it was not for the format war there would be a much larger market for HD content and greater competition among manufacturers to produce better players and drive prices lower.

so n so · 10-20-2007, 06:46 PM

competition = lower prices

pluses & minuses to the war...

MotionBlurr · 10-20-2007, 06:54 PM

I remember the DVD players costing $200-300 several years ago. They were made of quality materials. My 1st Sony player was for $300. It was big and heavy and it wasn't even progressive scan but it was made of quality materials. Even the remote was a nice joystick style remote with nice buttons.

But competition made companies bring the price down so they started using cheaper materials. Even the new Sony DVD players look flimsy. I am surprised the remotes even come with batteries now.

mdm1699 · 10-20-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by so n so

competition = lower prices

pluses & minuses to the war...

STOOOPPP IT. Sorry. They are not in business to lose money. Toshiba is losing money on it's players, which is why no one else is making them. However, they have a vested interest in the format, which is why no one else is making them.

Blu-ray players are expensive because their manufacturers don't want to lose money on their products. However, larger market drives down the price of components and consequently players. It annoys me to explain that.

bkbluray · 10-20-2007, 07:17 PM

The format war is creating tons of "fence-sitters" who aren't willing to make a decision for Blu or DUD because one of them will go out eventually.

Until Blu wins the war (aka Warner goes Blu-exclusive) there won't be a mass adoption.

10-20-2007, 04:12 AM	#1
stephenj Banned Member since:Aug 2007	The format war is great! Does anyone think we'd have gotten that great BOGO deal of this past week had it not been Transformers/HD-DVD week? Heck no! Competition is a great thing ...

10-20-2007, 04:30 AM	#3
ESUNintel Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Colorado	Thanks It is a good thing. It it were not for Toshiba and HD-DVD, Blu-ray technology would not be being pushed to its limit. We wouldn't be seeing prices go down, great technological advancements and a lot more. ...so thank-you so very much Toshiba and HD-DVD companies, if it were not for you guys Blu-ray would not be as great as it is!!

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10-20-2007, 04:29 AM	#2
darkpoet25 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Indianapolis, IN Home Theater Gallery:45 4K collection:50 Blu-ray collection:297 Blu-ray reviews: 4	And don't forget all the great CE support for Blu as well.

10-20-2007, 01:15 PM	#7
docjan_uk Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray reviews:5	The format war has led to better quality transfers, a rush to improve functionality and cheaper players/media. So long as one format wins in a year or so and all the studios put material onto the winner, I don't care if the successor (BD ) becomes as big as DVD. The only danger is that it turns into a niche format, though I don't think there's too much of a chance of that happening.

10-20-2007, 01:18 PM	#8
Jazar Active Member Member since:Jun 2006	The BOGO deal is great but I would rather have 100% studio support.

10-20-2007, 01:20 PM	#9
monkyman Special Member Member since:Jun 2007	OK, i'll be the one to say it....SCREW Toshiba and HD-DVD, it would be a better place if they never existed. Whew, glad I got that off my chest.

10-20-2007, 01:28 PM	#12
docjan_uk Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray reviews:5	Again, so long as they come round in a year, maybe 18 months, I don't care . There are lots of titles made by the other studios that I want and can get before Universal and Paramount go to BD. I can't help but think that the format war led to AVC and VC-1 encodes on BD50's with good transfers as opposed to MPEG-2 on BD25's with questionable transfers. Seems people are quite impatient these days.

10-20-2007, 04:09 PM	#13
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	IMO, not great anymore..... we need one format now.

10-20-2007, 04:18 PM	#14
jorg Power Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:2	w_ tanoto is rite the format war was great rite up untill this x mas season

10-20-2007, 05:19 PM	#15
davidAZ Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Queen Creek, AZ Blu-ray collection:167 Blu-ray reviews: 10	I can see how it has helped progress... but I doubt that it would be the end of great sales/prices when there's just one format to choose from, after all, there's still DVD. And this past weekend I was thrilled to see Blu-ray sales lower than their respective DVD prices in many cases. $10-$15 is a great range for Blu-rays and should still be somewhat profitable for the retailers, new releases being the exception of course.

10-20-2007, 06:46 PM	#17
so n so Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Ann Arbor, MI	competition = lower prices pluses & minuses to the war...

10-20-2007, 06:54 PM	#18
MotionBlurr Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	I remember the DVD players costing $200-300 several years ago. They were made of quality materials. My 1st Sony player was for $300. It was big and heavy and it wasn't even progressive scan but it was made of quality materials. Even the remote was a nice joystick style remote with nice buttons. But competition made companies bring the price down so they started using cheaper materials. Even the new Sony DVD players look flimsy. I am surprised the remotes even come with batteries now.

10-20-2007, 07:17 PM	#20
bkbluray Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:MN Home Theater Gallery:57 Blu-ray collection:185 Blu-ray reviews:25	The format war is creating tons of "fence-sitters" who aren't willing to make a decision for Blu or DUD because one of them will go out eventually. Until Blu wins the war (aka Warner goes Blu-exclusive) there won't be a mass adoption.

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