A little tired of things...

[BTBuck1]

I'm a little tired of all the back and forth BS that i read every day on every thread of every forum I go to. Every thread goes from discussing one thing then becomes codec this, mpeg that, blu ray this...hddvd that.

Honestly i'm tired of it. I'm tired of defending BR, and I'm tired of the usless jibber jabber. Whats going to happen is going to happen. Not you, me or anyone else is going to change anything.

So what i've decided to do is refrain from participating in coversations here that result in discussions of which format will win/lose, what codec is better, anything about DL/SL and why i choose what i choose. It's my decision and my money and quite frankly I don't have to explain myself to anyone. I put up with enough shit earning my money...I won't put up with it when i'm spending it. I think i've earned my respect in this forum here, and I really appreciate you guys. But I see a slow trend appearing here in that every thread is now becoming a war.

I have already removed myself from HDTVoice.com and now AVSforum as I just can't stand it anymore there. And I want to keep my forum posting days limited to here. But I am no longer going to contribute to the BS madness.

Sitting back reading this stuff today I thought to myself..."Why in the hell is everyone getting so emotional about this stuff?" why don't people just buy some shit and enjoy it?

I mean, this is some awesome shit, and i've spent far more on things i used far less in my life. And if $500 or $1000 even is going to haunt you. You have no business even considering or even being interested in this stuff. That or you need to re-evaluate your financial situation. Or wait some years for things to improve, get cheaper or the dust to settle if you will.

So, that is that guys...I needed to vent and I just wanted to let all of you know that I will start getting quieter and quieter as days go on, and probably dissapear completely come october when I finally get my BDP-S1.

I just don't want to ruin the good time i'm prepared to have with HD movies with people constantly ruining my high.

Should anyone need to get a hold of me or want to chat individually I am on all chat clients and am on regularly throughout the day when i'm not at work. Hit me up! Most of you guys have been great and I hope this forum continues to be crap-free.

Peace and good luck to you all!!!


Be careful not to burn bridges, for you never know when you may need to cross it again!

[Jazar]

I agree. With the little information that trickles out lately these forums (I'm talking across the web not singling this one) have become one big echo chamber. It's been nothing but single layer this and MPEG2 that over and over and over. Not that the BDA doesn't need to be hit in the head with this matter but for a regular user there's hardly anything new going on.

[zombie]

Please report all objectionable posts and I will be happy to look into them. The codec issue does cause a lot of heated debate. What do you suggest I do? Shall I make a thread specifically for debating codecs? Even at that, discussions on the different codecs is going to pop up in various other threads. I don't see how I would be able to keep it to a single thread. I'm open to suggestions.

[BTBuck1]

ahh man, honestly there is nothing you can do NYG, you've been short of amazing here and it's not your fault, so please don't take it that way.
We've got other previous great forums (AVSforums) for one that have been completely thrashed from all of this and they have more Mods than you can shake a stick at. And IMO you've done 10x the job (ALONE MIGHT I ADD) then they have as a group.

I think PSi Weaver stated it best, theres so little new news everyday that the same tired topics get slung back-n-forth.

It's probably only tiresome for guys like me, JTK, Psi, You & Some of the other "OG's" here.

I was just venting and I had to get it off my chest, your doing an awsome job. And I with the help of the other Vets here will help in reporting offtopic posts or stuff that looks to be getting out of hand.

PS, Sending you a PM.

[theknub]

i know what you mean brian.

one thing i will say, i don't give a crap about the codecs. if it's mpeg-2 but looks superb, that's fine by me. just give me a great viewing experience. i think too much is being made about the sl/dl and the codecs instead of the possibility that the player may not really be that good. maybe tosh really did make a good reliable player (it is a computer after all) and that's why the picture is that much better (can't verify that the picture is really better because i have only seen blu-ray in person). just my thoughts...

[PurpleAardvark]

I agree the post here sometimes are a little one sided. I think some of the HD people are bashing us blu ray people. After I posted about my thoughts on the fifth element and my HD DVD player (which I had two defective in a row), some one proceeded to post there thought which I had no problem but made my thoughts seem completely wrong. Well here is one for all you HD people, with all do respect after having 2 Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD Players go to crap in less than 1 month, and having 1 Samsung BD-P1000 that I have had no problems with, IMO there is a world of difference between the two, and I don't think you have to ask which I think is better or what I will recommend to some one else. The whole code thing really who cares? I go by what I see and hear and the HD is lacking in all areas. It isn't my equimpent either, if you want a list ask. Now that my rant is done I feel much better.
Also one thing I noticed about the comparison between HD DVD and Blu Ray with the same movie, the TV used was not able to use 1080p for the blu ray, so yet again blu ray is not givin a fare shot. Thank you for putting up with my insain rant.

[theknub]

aardvark, sorry you had that experience. that isn't typical on this board for the most part. the biggest problem, as has been stated, is that there is so little information everyday so the same thing is brought up again and again even if it may not even be an issue (or it may... hard to tell given the sample sizes).

as far as your player, i haven't heard anything about tosh having problems with their players like that. what was the issue that you had?

[PurpleAardvark]

After a week of good play the HD player would freeze after 5 min. of play on the first one. The second one didn't even work. I had a "specailist" to check my connections and it turned out to be the HD dvd player. I will give HD another shot when the Xbox 360 add on drive comes out. I have had bad luck with Toshiba DVD players my Toshiba SD 4980 froze up at will too. I am out $70 on the deal but better $70 than $527.49.

[theknub]

you're prob in the minority, but what a way to be turned off to a new format. that sucks

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by PurpleAardvark

After a week of good play the HD player would freeze after 5 min. of play on the first one. The second one didn't even work. I had a "specailist" to check my connections and it turned out to be the HD dvd player. I will give HD another shot when the Xbox 360 add on drive comes out. I have had bad luck with Toshiba DVD players my Toshiba SD 4980 froze up at will too. I am out $70 on the deal but better $70 than $527.49.

our demo unit has been upgraded with ALL the firmware updates to date. TOSHIBA sends them automatically now that we ordered the first one.
Guess what...IT STILL FREEZES, It's still SLOW (although faster than it was, I cringe to use the word fast anything in the same sentance as HD-A1) and the thing operates like it's got a mind of it's own. We still have HDMI errors with it.

I also dislike the fact it can't remember where you left off with a movie when you power off then back on. that alone is a deal breaker for me. I've been so happy with that feature since my first sony in 2002 had that (and all dvd players since then i've owned did it even $59 ones)

I too will be going HDDVD add on for the 360 but ONLY if it's under $200 and a decent performer. just for universal titles mainly.

Thanks,
and don't worry about the rant...thats what this thread is for

[zombie]

Originally Posted by PurpleAardvark

After a week of good play the HD player would freeze after 5 min. of play on the first one. The second one didn't even work. I had a "specailist" to check my connections and it turned out to be the HD dvd player. I will give HD another shot when the Xbox 360 add on drive comes out. I have had bad luck with Toshiba DVD players my Toshiba SD 4980 froze up at will too. I am out $70 on the deal but better $70 than $527.49.

FWIW I am on my fourth HD DVD player. The first three were heavily glitch prone. Finally this latest one works like a charm. Still exchanging player that many times would be more than enough to turn off a customer to the format so I can sympathize with your feelings on this matter.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by nyg

FWIW I am on my fourth HD DVD player. The first three were heavily glitch prone. Finally this latest one works like a charm. Still exchanging player that many times would be more than enough to turn off a customer to the format so I can sympathize with your feelings on this matter.

thanks for the feeback,
I'm sure your gonna be first in line for a second gen (hopefully bug free) player.
NYG, you giving BR a second chance come this fall when the other players come out?

[Applefiend]

Shame to lose a good poster.

People gotta read the Blu Ray spec sheets, chill, and have a little faith...

[BTBuck1]

not leaving, just slowing my role in participation of format war threads.

[theknub]

not necessairly losing someone, just not someone who wants to jump into codec and dl/sl and codec fights. it's easy to say the disc would be great with x & y, but when comparing across formats with different materials it is difficult to know all the truths

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

not leaving, just slowing my role in participation of format war threads.

Smart move. I'm really disgusted with some of the abuse I've watched you take on at least one certain, prominent forum.

I also thought it was unfair that they even banned YOU simply because you were getting tired of the constant abuse.

At least you were able to engage that mod in dialogue and get him to see some kind of reason.

But just isn't going to end over there. It's going to get worse as long as all they do is edit and delete posts and lock threads and do absolutely nothing else.

It's the Internet equivalent of the Wild West.

Originally Posted by nyg

FWIW I am on my fourth HD DVD player. The first three were heavily glitch prone. Finally this latest one works like a charm. Still exchanging player that many times would be more than enough to turn off a customer to the format so I can sympathize with your feelings on this matter.

If you go to AVS and into the HD-DVD software section, there's that thread about skipping with firmware 1.4?

You'll see that I've had a few minor issues start to show up recently, and frankly, I just don't know what to do about it.

I had perfection through 8 movies, all with FW 1.4 installed, and then a few hiccups started to show up here and there.

Originally Posted by theknub

not necessairly losing someone, just not someone who wants to jump into codec and dl/sl and codec fights. it's easy to say the disc would be great with x & y, but when comparing across formats with different materials it is difficult to know all the truths

There's a quick way to kill those arguments dead.

All you have to write is this simple truth, or some variant thereof:

"If they don't bother to remaster and face life the source material to begin with, you're already DOA and nothing else matters."

That's what killed this Robocop BD disc. It wasn't the codecs. It wasn't space, although maybe these things didn't help it...it was the fact that they used an old, ancient master that's SO obviously in need of a face lift and clean up job that it isn't even funny.

Plenty of discs on both formats like that.


If you took Full Metal JAcket or U2 Rattle and Hum from HD-DVD...these would still be crappy discs whether they were on VC-1 HD30's or MPEG2/BD25 discs, etc.

You all get my point.

[Jazar]

By the way Brian I posted on that other forum a calling out, by name, those people who owe you an apology for bashing you before you proved them wrong.

My post was deleted sadly.

[Applefiend]

Good man, just ignore all the BS, and concentrate on the good movies, good players and home cinema set ups.

Blu Ray is here to stay.

[Dave Moritz]

I have been waiting for Blu-ray for a long time now and the more BS that happens the more I back away from Blu-ray. When Blu-ray was supposed to roll out I was all set to support Blu-ray and had decided that I would not buy an HD-DVD player for any reason! For me Blu-ray was all about getting the best picture performance and awesome surround audio, including better menu technology and better storage capability.

Well here we are a number of months after the Blu-ray roll out. We only have inferior MPEG2 encoded discs, a weak Samsung player, no Sony player and no dual layer BR discs! I am a member on another forum and I use to have the following as part of my sig, "Blu-ray the true 1080p solution". Well needless to say since Sony has screwed the pouch and messed up titles releases and delayed there player. My sig on that site only says "1080p supporter", I don’t even mention Blu-ray in my sig. Are we supposed to be excited about inferior MPEG2 releases? Are we supposed to just keep waiting for dual layer discs that should have been here already? Where is the 50 gig BR discs that Sony was bragging about? I could have sworn that Sony claimed that there would be no issues regarding the production of dual layer disc's! Well Sony where is the dual layer disc's?

I am tired of waiting and am tired of Sony's stupidity and inability to release a format without one problem after another, and the inability to make it successful. I finally went in a checked out HD-DVD for myself and while the player had issues at least these problems have been ether addressed or improved. And at least HD-DVD titles look very impressive even though the player limits the format to 1080i. I am now putting off buying a Sony player and will be buying an HD-DVD player September 1st! I also went out and purchased 7 HD-DVD titles and will not be buying any more Blu-ray titles or a player until VC-1 titles are available and MPEG2 discs are no longer being produced. I currently own 3 Blu-ray discs but will not waste money on anymore titles for the time being. I will not buy inferior MPEG2 discs and then turn around and replace them with discs that should have been encoded that way from day one! I still feel Blu-ray is the best option, but not the way it is currently. Why would I want to buy a format that is currently only offering MPEG2 discs, single layer discs and a solitary Samsung player?

It makes we wonder if Sony has been paying any attention to what consumers are saying about Blu-ray? About why they have gone with HD-DVD instead of there product? Sony is acting like they are running on auto pilot and like they have no concerns or any compition. Well Sony you have compition and you have to get comsumers to want to go out and buy a new format. People are not just going to run out and drop $1k on a player when they are happy with the current dvd format. Especially not when there are inferior discs being produced and no dual layer disc's in sight.

If Sony can not get there act together and actually deliver a product to market that does what they said it was going to do. Then maybe HD-DVD should be the main new format in not only my HT, but everyones HT? If Sony can deliever VC-1 discs with great picture quality and a rock solid player of there own. I will buy a Sony player and will give most of my HT $$ to Blu-ray. If on the other hand Sony does not get there act together within a reasonable amount of time Toshiba's HD-DVD will get my $$$. Lets face it Sony the clock is ticking and time is running out in more ways than one. Toshiba is offering a format that offrers a player that is cheaper and is also offering supperior discs. I will not blindly support another Beta or SACD format again. Ether Sony can get the product to market or they can't, and if they can't. They should back out of this format war and stop wasting our money and there money as well! Sony needs to start acting like they want Blu-ray to win this format war and start making information easy to get. So we know what is going on and what will be available and when it will be available. Its rediculous to release movie titles with no release dates. There are some good titles coming out but to many of them are kinda weak.

My main goal is to enjoy movies and music with my HT system. I want to have the best picture and sound that I can get. I am sure all of use here only want the same thing! I do hope Blu-ray is here to stay but only if it actually offering a better product in the real world, on paper does not count. Blu-ray has alot of potential but if Sony is not expoiting its full benafits then it will not matter if they start producing 400 gig disc's. Right now I am going to start supporting HD-DVD and Blu-ray still has a chance to claim a space in my HT rack. Its all up to Sony at this point in time if they get my HT $$ or not?

[Applefiend]

Pssst, real Blu Ray launch date is November 17th, this is all just a preview.