PS3 and Dolby TrueHD - Blu-ray Forum

CJS234 · 11-10-2007, 12:33 AM

Ok. i wasnt sure where to post this because it could also go under Home Theater discussion. Anyway...I have an Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver along with my trusty PS3. The receiver can decode both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD audio formats. I have tried to set the PS3 to both Linear PCM and Bitstream outputs, but the receiver will not detect the TrueHD track as being TrueHD. It says it is only Dolby Digital 5.1.

Can anybody who owns this receiver and has gotten the +TrueHD red light to light up on the receiver tell me all of your settings? Or at least the ones that need be changed? Thanks a lot.

Petra_Kalbrain · 11-10-2007, 12:41 AM

PS3 doesn't decode Dolby TrueHD yet. Rumour is that it will be incorporated into a future update. As of right now, the PS3 is able to decode the Dolby TrueHD track as a core Dolby 5.1 track only.

DefTechPioElite · 11-10-2007, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

PS3 doesn't decode Dolby TrueHD yet. Rumour is that it will be incorporated into a future update. As of right now, the PS3 is able to decode the Dolby TrueHD track as a core Dolby 5.1 track only.

then why does the PS3 have a "TrueHD" logo on it? The PS3 can decode TrueHD and send it as linear PCM, so your ONKYO is not going to see it as TrueHD, it should see it as Linear PCM. Your PS3 should be set to "Linear PCM" for HDMI audio out, also make sure you do the auto-detect or tell the PS3 what your receiver can and cant do under audio settings. In the end, the receiver should see it as PCM. Good luck, and let us know what happens!

CJS234 · 11-10-2007, 12:57 AM

ok I set it up as linear pcm like you said and the receiver does indeed see it as a pcm track. When I press the display key on my PS3 remote it says that it is in fact Dolby TrueHD. But this I already knew.

Will the possible future update that would allow the PS3 to bitstream Dolby TrueHD fix this issue between the receiver and the PS3?

DefTechPioElite · 11-10-2007, 01:00 AM

from what I read, unfortunately, no. I know, I bought a receiver with decoding capability that I dont use as well. But, who knows, it might happen eventually! They are probably going to work on DTS-HD internal decoding first. It is said that the sound is better if you audio equipment does the decoding, not the player, so, hopefully they do bitstream eventually!

CJS234 · 11-10-2007, 01:02 AM

Are there any other standalone players that CAN bitstream Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD audio. I was thinking about getting my 2nd Blu-ray player this Christmas anyway. Any help on this?

Oh and by the way thanks for the quick response before and your advice. You were very helpful.

Thanks again,
CJS

Petra_Kalbrain · 11-10-2007, 01:08 AM

LOL... I don't know what I was thinking. Sorry for the misinformation above. I'm in the middle of watching 'Cars' on Blu-ray. And for those of you who have it, at least you'll understand how I could have not been as focused on what I was saying as I should have been.

P.S. 'Cars' is by far the best Blu-ray I've seen yet. And I own 100+!!! Even the menu design of the disc makes me quiver with joy.

PeterTHX · 11-10-2007, 02:00 AM

From all the info I've been able to obtain the HDMI chipset in the PS3 is incapable of sending either Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA as a bitstream.

So the solution to the DTS problem is for DTS to provide Sony a working software decoding solution the same way Sony does for SACD. So far there is none for either the PS3 or PC, only hardware (like your receiver).

Normally I have my audio HDMI out set to "bitstream".
When I play a disc with Dolby TrueHD I set it manually to "PCM" output. You can do this by pressing the triangle button during playback. The PS3 will then decode the TrueHD track to multichannel PCM.

quetzalcoatl · 11-10-2007, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CJS234

Are there any other standalone players that CAN bitstream Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD audio. I was thinking about getting my 2nd Blu-ray player this Christmas anyway. Any help on this?

Oh and by the way thanks for the quick response before and your advice. You were very helpful.

Thanks again,
CJS

Yes there are 3. The Samsung 1400, Panasonic 30, and the Pioneer 95. They can all bitstream everything up to DTS HD MA. Where the new Sonys 500 and 2000 can only do up to TrueHD but it is rumored they will get a FW update to do MA.

Skold · 11-10-2007, 05:36 AM

The Sammy 1400 can, I have it and the pioneer 94thx reciever. I do think there is a big different when I bitstream to my pioneer then when I play it with my ps3 pcm. I have to played a lot of movies TrueHD and then pcm with the ps3. It seems louder when it is bitstream to Pioneer and let it do the work. P.S I love Fox's DTS MA audio tracks they are nice. Old movies are all new again, the Wow is back.

quetzalcoatl · 11-10-2007, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Skold

The Sammy 1400 can, I have it and the pioneer 94thx reciever. I do think there is a big different when I bitstream to my pioneer then when I play it with my ps3 pcm. I have to played a lot of movies TrueHD and then pcm with the ps3. It seems louder when it is bitstream to Pioneer and let it do the work. P.S I love Fox's DTS MA audio tracks they are nice. Old movies are all new again, the Wow is back.

It will sound louder since it plays at +4db. In all the tests I do I lower the volume by that much to make sure they are being heard at the same lvl. Since louder sound is not better.

As to the overall sound I could not agree more. But there are alot of naysayers here that donot believe it. Those that do are growing but the PS3 is still the largest base of players and since they cannot hear it most are in denial.

Ness555 · 11-10-2007, 06:02 AM

Ok ok...so the PS3 doesn't decode the TrueHD track? When I played 300, the track said "Dolby TrueHD" now that was because I was not using a digital audio cable. When I used the digital cable it wouldn't decode Dolby TrueHD..so what gives? I'm confused with all this now

MatrixS2000 · 11-10-2007, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness555

Ok ok...so the PS3 doesn't decode the TrueHD track? When I played 300, the track said "Dolby TrueHD" now that was because I was not using a digital audio cable. When I used the digital cable it wouldn't decode Dolby TrueHD..so what gives? I'm confused with all this now

The PS3 can decode DTHD when using optical it is limited to 2 channels and 16/48.

BStecke · 11-10-2007, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness555

Ok ok...so the PS3 doesn't decode the TrueHD track? When I played 300, the track said "Dolby TrueHD" now that was because I was not using a digital audio cable. When I used the digital cable it wouldn't decode Dolby TrueHD..so what gives? I'm confused with all this now

The PS3 will decode TrueHD and send the signal to the receiver as PCM.

The newer players will send the signal via bitstream to the receiver and let the receiver decode it.

What cable are you using? Optical? HDMI?

mo_jt · 11-11-2007, 05:24 AM

As this is my 1st input, I too have a question about hooking up the ps3. I am using the optical cable to a Sony STR-DB810. The disc reports dolby truhd 5.1 and AVC ~ mbps, but my tuner is only giving me 2 channel 48kbs. What is the proper setting for the ps3 to output the 5.1 that the amp will interpret correctl? Sorry if this is a duh!!!!

WickyWoo · 11-11-2007, 05:29 AM

You have to set TrueHD output to bitstream instead of PCM. Then it will extract the core audio (which is regular DD)

mo_jt · 11-11-2007, 05:45 AM

I see. Then when the disc plays it tells you it's dolby Digital with Multi-channel 48khz? The receiver is actually interpreting the 5.1. Thanks for the help!

11-10-2007, 12:33 AM	#1
CJS234 Hot Deals moderator Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Duluth, MN Home Theater Gallery:51 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:1108 Digital collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:26	PS3 and Dolby TrueHD Ok. i wasnt sure where to post this because it could also go under Home Theater discussion. Anyway...I have an Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver along with my trusty PS3. The receiver can decode both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD audio formats. I have tried to set the PS3 to both Linear PCM and Bitstream outputs, but the receiver will not detect the TrueHD track as being TrueHD. It says it is only Dolby Digital 5.1. Can anybody who owns this receiver and has gotten the +TrueHD red light to light up on the receiver tell me all of your settings? Or at least the ones that need be changed? Thanks a lot.

11-10-2007, 01:02 AM	#6
CJS234 Hot Deals moderator Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Duluth, MN Home Theater Gallery:51 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:1108 Digital collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:26	Are there any other standalone players that CAN bitstream Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD audio. I was thinking about getting my 2nd Blu-ray player this Christmas anyway. Any help on this? Oh and by the way thanks for the quick response before and your advice. You were very helpful. Thanks again, CJS Last edited by CJS234; 11-10-2007 at 01:03 AM. Reason: forgot to thank DefTechPioElite

11-11-2007, 05:45 AM	#17
mo_jt Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Manchester, MO Blu-ray reviews:1	I see. Then when the disc plays it tells you it's dolby Digital with Multi-channel 48khz? The receiver is actually interpreting the 5.1. Thanks for the help! Last edited by mo_jt; 11-11-2007 at 05:47 AM.

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11-10-2007, 12:41 AM	#2
Petra_Kalbrain Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Vancouver, BC 4K collection:5 Blu-ray collection:561 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:20	PS3 doesn't decode Dolby TrueHD yet. Rumour is that it will be incorporated into a future update. As of right now, the PS3 is able to decode the Dolby TrueHD track as a core Dolby 5.1 track only.

11-10-2007, 12:57 AM	#4
CJS234 Hot Deals moderator Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Duluth, MN Home Theater Gallery:51 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:1108 Digital collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:26	ok I set it up as linear pcm like you said and the receiver does indeed see it as a pcm track. When I press the display key on my PS3 remote it says that it is in fact Dolby TrueHD. But this I already knew. Will the possible future update that would allow the PS3 to bitstream Dolby TrueHD fix this issue between the receiver and the PS3?

11-10-2007, 01:00 AM	#5
DefTechPioElite Expert Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD Home Theater Gallery:23 Blu-ray collection:108 Blu-ray reviews:1	from what I read, unfortunately, no. I know, I bought a receiver with decoding capability that I dont use as well. But, who knows, it might happen eventually! They are probably going to work on DTS-HD internal decoding first. It is said that the sound is better if you audio equipment does the decoding, not the player, so, hopefully they do bitstream eventually!

11-10-2007, 01:08 AM	#7
Petra_Kalbrain Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Vancouver, BC 4K collection:5 Blu-ray collection:561 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:20	LOL... I don't know what I was thinking. Sorry for the misinformation above. I'm in the middle of watching 'Cars' on Blu-ray. And for those of you who have it, at least you'll understand how I could have not been as focused on what I was saying as I should have been. P.S. 'Cars' is by far the best Blu-ray I've seen yet. And I own 100+!!! Even the menu design of the disc makes me quiver with joy.

11-10-2007, 02:00 AM	#8
PeterTHX Banned Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Blu-ray collection:563 Trading Score:14	From all the info I've been able to obtain the HDMI chipset in the PS3 is incapable of sending either Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA as a bitstream. So the solution to the DTS problem is for DTS to provide Sony a working software decoding solution the same way Sony does for SACD. So far there is none for either the PS3 or PC, only hardware (like your receiver). Normally I have my audio HDMI out set to "bitstream". When I play a disc with Dolby TrueHD I set it manually to "PCM" output. You can do this by pressing the triangle button during playback. The PS3 will then decode the TrueHD track to multichannel PCM.

11-10-2007, 05:36 AM	#10
Skold Member Member since:Sep 2007	The Sammy 1400 can, I have it and the pioneer 94thx reciever. I do think there is a big different when I bitstream to my pioneer then when I play it with my ps3 pcm. I have to played a lot of movies TrueHD and then pcm with the ps3. It seems louder when it is bitstream to Pioneer and let it do the work. P.S I love Fox's DTS MA audio tracks they are nice. Old movies are all new again, the Wow is back.

11-10-2007, 06:02 AM	#12
Ness555 Member Member since:Oct 2007 Blu-ray collection:3 Blu-ray reviews:2	Ok ok...so the PS3 doesn't decode the TrueHD track? When I played 300, the track said "Dolby TrueHD" now that was because I was not using a digital audio cable. When I used the digital cable it wouldn't decode Dolby TrueHD..so what gives? I'm confused with all this now

11-11-2007, 05:24 AM	#15
mo_jt Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Manchester, MO Blu-ray reviews:1	As this is my 1st input, I too have a question about hooking up the ps3. I am using the optical cable to a Sony STR-DB810. The disc reports dolby truhd 5.1 and AVC ~ mbps, but my tuner is only giving me 2 channel 48kbs. What is the proper setting for the ps3 to output the 5.1 that the amp will interpret correctl? Sorry if this is a duh!!!!

11-11-2007, 05:29 AM	#16
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	You have to set TrueHD output to bitstream instead of PCM. Then it will extract the core audio (which is regular DD)

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