Burn-In

[sarnell2]

Can the black bars on 2.35:1 movies cause Burn-In on Plasma HDTV's?

Thanks!!

[flynho_PS3]

This is not a trick question right?...if I may answer your question...the answer is simply NO, not at all. Burn in, sometimes also referred as permanent image retention, is an effect of an after-image appearing on your plasma or other phosphor-based screen after a still picture is displayed for an extended period of time. The black bars have no image/still picture therefore no burn in.

[WickyWoo]

Yes, it can.

Calibrate your set, and watch a balance of 16:9 programming and you'll be fine

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Yes, it can.

Calibrate your set, and watch a balance of 16:9 programming and you'll be fine

What exactly is your idea of calibration? Do you mean the after-market calibration, or do you mean adjusting the vailable setting on the set.

[Trioxin]

flynho_PS3 is right. The black bars will not burn in. However, that doesn't mean that the rest of your screen won't fade faster than the portion consumed by the black bars.

~ex Hitachi service rep

[Sonny]

I have yet to have a problem with ''burn in'' & I dont thank I will. Just properly "brake in your set". Go to CC or BB & you can find TV's with " burn in'', ie: ESPN in the bottom right corner but they are brand new TV's left on 10,12 hours a day with that same symbol in the same spot. I could pause 1 of my plasmas on the ESPN HD for hours then switch channels & have no '' burn in''. Plasmas some years back had fairly significant problems with it but thats a thing of the past really. So you will be OK just brake it in properly if you have any doubts. Hope this helps.

[blackpixels]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Yes, it can.

Calibrate your set, and watch a balance of 16:9 programming and you'll be fine

Aren't some of todays plasmas less susceptible to this anomaly as were of a few years ago? However, agreed that precautions should be exercised. Better to have retinal "perminant image retention" rather than your valuable display.

[WickyWoo]

or do you mean adjusting the vailable setting on the set.[/quote]

Even just doing a base THX Optimode calibration will help

DVE

Orif you have the bucks a full ISF run

Yes, today's sets are much less susceptible, but better safe than sorry, and you get a better picture to boot

[EricJ]

I've heard that now that LCD's are about up to speed with Plasma sets in terms of picture quality, some companies want to gradually phase out Plasma set production--
As they're now being seen as the "SUV's of HDTV sets", for power consumption and burn-in risk.

...Not sure if that's true, but both were reasons I got the (burn-free?) LCD set.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by EricJ

I've heard that now that LCD's are about up to speed with Plasma sets in terms of picture quality, some companies want to gradually phase out Plasma set production--
As they're now being seen as the "SUV's of HDTV sets", for power consumption and burn-in risk.

...Not sure if that's true, but both were reasons I got the (burn-free?) LCD set.

I just bought an LCD and I don't agree with that. Plasmas are still king for pure picture quality, especially black levels. I don't think any LCD can touch the new Pioneers. (Having said that, I bought an LCD because I sit very close (6') and the LCD screen is more stable and felt easier on my eyes, and also because ambient lights will reflect too much on a plasma's glass in my setting.)

To the OP, WickyWoo is right, and even if you don't want to go through a full calibration at least get your TV out of the "torch" mode (usually called "vivid" or something) that has everything turned up terribly. Then further turn down brightness and contrast, reduce sharpness and watch images that fill up the screen for a while. The rule of thumb of this break-in period used to be 100 hours, but that's from a couple of years back so I'm not sure if that figure is still a good one to follow.

Oh, and no gaming during the break-in period. But you probably already know that.

enjoy
gandalf

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by gand41f

I just bought an LCD and I don't agree with that. Plasmas are still king for pure picture quality, especially black levels. I don't think any LCD can touch the new Pioneers. (Having said that, I bought an LCD because I sit very close (6') and the LCD screen is more stable and felt easier on my eyes, and also because ambient lights will reflect too much on a plasma's glass in my setting.)

To the OP, WickyWoo is right, and even if you don't want to go through a full calibration at least get your TV out of the "torch" mode (usually called "vivid" or something) that has everything turned up terribly. Then further turn down brightness and contrast, reduce sharpness and watch images that fill up the screen for a while. The rule of thumb of this break-in period used to be 100 hours, but that's from a couple of years back so I'm not sure if that figure is still a good one to follow.

Oh, and no gaming during the break-in period. But you probably already know that.

enjoy
gandalf

crapppppp...i didn't know the break-in period was this serious...so far i've had the TV for 2 days...my little bro's played about 2 hours of guitar hero 2 on xbox 360...i watched the entire Monday Night Football game and last night watched the 5th Element (a little over 2 hours)...was this all bad for the TV? Brightness is set at 50...Sharpness is also set at 50...crapppp

[MacDaddyOJack]

Originally Posted by sarnell2

crapppppp...i didn't know the break-in period was this serious...so far i've had the TV for 2 days...my little bro's played about 2 hours of guitar hero 2 on xbox 360...i watched the entire Monday Night Football game and last night watched the 5th Element (a little over 2 hours)...was this all bad for the TV? Brightness is set at 50...Sharpness is also set at 50...crapppp

If two hours was a problem, then there would have been some kind of disclaimer inside the box! I highly doubt you will ever see any problems from those initial usages.

[CptGreedle]

I know you have prolly heard this from my fellow members already but...
the deal is that despite the latest advances in technology, burn-in is still possible. The Black Bars themselves are actually a lack of information and therefore not going to cause burn in. However the movie playing, even without being paused, can cause a generic burn in that will lighten the overall look of the image over time. It will take a long long time if at all on a properly calibrated set, but if you have not calibrated your set, you better do so cause the factory settings can kill your tv faster.
As long as you watch movies of different aspects and turn it off when you are not using it, you should be fine. If you play games, try to limit the amount of time you play if the game has a HUD that does not move cause that will cause a burn-in as well.
There are ways to "fix" burn in, but they are not perfect and mostly lessen the affect. I am sure you will not have a burn in affect as long as you make sure the screen is not too bright and properly calibrated and you watch things in different aspect ratios.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Sonny

I have yet to have a problem with ''burn in'' & I dont thank I will. Just properly "brake in your set". Go to CC or BB & you can find TV's with " burn in'', ie: ESPN in the bottom right corner but they are brand new TV's left on 10,12 hours a day with that same symbol in the same spot. I could pause 1 of my plasmas on the ESPN HD for hours then switch channels & have no '' burn in''. Plasmas some years back had fairly significant problems with it but thats a thing of the past really. So you will be OK just brake it in properly if you have any doubts. Hope this helps.

What he said^^^^LOL

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by sarnell2

crapppppp...i didn't know the break-in period was this serious...so far i've had the TV for 2 days...my little bro's played about 2 hours of guitar hero 2 on xbox 360...i watched the entire Monday Night Football game and last night watched the 5th Element (a little over 2 hours)...was this all bad for the TV? Brightness is set at 50...Sharpness is also set at 50...crapppp

I probably scared you too much. 2 hours of a game should be fine, as is 2 hours of a 2.4:1 movie. Even if you don't strictly follow the guidelines (everything filling up the screen with no static images), as long as you keep switching to a different "mode" (game, side black bars, top/bottom black bars, etc.), every couple of hours, I don't think it will cause a problem.

enjoy
gandalf

P.S. Looks like you find the original document where I got my "100 hours" from. It sounds eerily familiar, it's probably the exact same one I read.

P.P.S. So how did you like the "bada boom"?

[supersix4]

our extra guest room maxent tv got it and thats lcd probly just cause its cheap lol

[surfdude12]

i agree with wicky, the bars themselves can cause a burn-in effect due to the ratio of pixel activity within the bars to their counterparts outside the bars. hence, why the TV manufacturers distribute DVD's with white bars on the outside and black inside, so these outside pixels can "catch up" (if you will)

[Sonny]

I disagree...