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marzetta7 · 12-13-2007, 10:16 PM

Mitchell Report

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153509

...who's on the report?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646

Wow, some suprising, other not so suprising. I thought for certain Sammy Sosa would be on the list, but he's not. Either way, some rather big names...MLB get your asterick engines ready...

theknub · 12-13-2007, 11:40 PM

mcgwire wasn't on there either

dakota81 · 12-13-2007, 11:57 PM

McGwire is in the report.

It's a good list. But as many naysayers like to say... this list of names is not a witch hunt. It's not a complete list of steroid or hgh users. It's a very good starting point to begin seriously cleaning up the game.

Note Tejada that was traded away for a group of nobody's earlier this week - just before the report hit! Sorry Astros fans.

theknub · 12-14-2007, 12:07 AM

weird.... i read a summary of everyone and just double checked and he wasn't on there....

my bad if he is

BTBuck1 · 12-14-2007, 12:13 AM

Colin Cowherd said something hillarious on "The Herd" today (ESPN Radio)

"If you didn't get great til you were 38 and you are on this list, then it doesn't surprise me"

LOL

cajmoyper · 12-14-2007, 01:40 AM

I think that the last ten years of baseball should be ignored in upcoming history books.

xtop · 12-14-2007, 01:42 AM

maybe i missed the whole point of this, but why is this a big deal. does it surprise anyone that players in any league have been using roids..for YEARS. i mean honestly..did we really need the list to know whos using?

Wheelman1970 · 12-14-2007, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

I think that the last ten years of baseball should be ignored in upcoming history books.

Well, we probably should wipe out the fact that baseball had missed it's first post World War - World Series in 1994 because of greed... ohh that's right we can't because it happened.

I say let it stand. Baseball is a business and the players are athletes (with the exception of David Wells). And some athletes cheat and that's the way it is.

And besides, chicks dig the long ball.

marzetta7 · 12-14-2007, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtop

maybe i missed the whole point of this, but why is this a big deal. does it surprise anyone that players in any league have been using roids..for YEARS. i mean honestly..did we really need the list to know whos using?

I definitely think so. It is a start in trying to cure some of the ills steroid use has had on the game...and those who've used them get the scrutiny and astericks the deserve. Along with being passed on for the Hall of Fame.

Tulsa · 12-14-2007, 11:12 AM

This report is filled with conjecture and unsubstantiated rumors and George Mitchell was judge, jury and executioner when it came to who was and who was not included. This report cost $60 million dollars to produce and it appears to not have a whole lot of fact based conclusions.

Basically it's as big a joke as MLB and the players union is right now.

Thank goodness for football who bothers to take a stance against drugs and roids.

Josh · 12-14-2007, 12:24 PM

Every sport has its dirty little secret. Football with abusing painkillers, baseball using steroids, and basketball favoring superstars. It just seamed that baseball never accepted the fact they had a problem and never really tried to resolve it. That is the big difference between the NFL or NBA (which has taken some action) vs MLB

Spankey · 12-14-2007, 02:23 PM

I have a problem with players using steroids, but I also have a problem with this report. If someone published my name on a list without any formal charges or proof being filed, I would be furious. This list is going to tarnish reputations. This is no finding of guilt, only suspicion. If I were innocent, I'd be getting a lawyer today.

PossumPete · 12-14-2007, 04:55 PM

I would say that a cancelled check to Radomski is plenty of evidence. What else was this guy providing for $1,200 - $1,300 a pop? Maybe if the player had just written HGH in the memo block...

tqlla · 12-14-2007, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tulsa

This report is filled with conjecture and unsubstantiated rumors and George Mitchell was judge, jury and executioner when it came to who was and who was not included. This report cost $60 million dollars to produce and it appears to not have a whole lot of fact based conclusions.

Basically it's as big a joke as MLB and the players union is right now.

Thank goodness for football who bothers to take a stance against drugs and roids.

Didnt Jose Canseco publish this same report 2 years ago?

PossumPete · 12-14-2007, 07:17 PM

Yeah but he made $$$$. Mitchell's cost $60M!!

marzetta7 · 12-14-2007, 08:29 PM

I wouldn't say receipts, first-hand testimony, and online transactions are something of rumor and conjecture. Sure, these players ought to be innocent until proven guilty, but the burden of proof is on them to show their "innocence" given the facts presented.

Tulsa · 12-14-2007, 11:52 PM

The burden of proof in on MLB, not the players. This is still America and a smoking gun does not mean you pulled the trigger. A batboy feeding information to George Mitchell does not mean the player stuck a needle in his butt either.

dakota81 · 12-15-2007, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tulsa

George Mitchell was judge, jury and executioner when it came to who was and who was not included.

Nope. Not even close.

To go with a courtroom analogy (which it's not a court of law anyways), George Mitchell is the prosecutor. His job is to gather as many facts as he can and report it in an all-inclusive, unbiased manner. It's then up to MLB to sort out things out. There has been no judge, jury, and executioner so far.

Tulsa · 12-15-2007, 12:40 AM

umm, I think this qualifies as a figure of speech and not a literal translastion, but hey, thanks for playing.

12-13-2007, 10:16 PM	#1
marzetta7 Special Member Member since:Feb 2006	Mitchell Report Mitchell Report http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153509 ...who's on the report? http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646 Wow, some suprising, other not so suprising. I thought for certain Sammy Sosa would be on the list, but he's not. Either way, some rather big names...MLB get your asterick engines ready...

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12-13-2007, 11:40 PM	#2
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	mcgwire wasn't on there either

12-13-2007, 11:57 PM	#3
dakota81 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007	McGwire is in the report. It's a good list. But as many naysayers like to say... this list of names is not a witch hunt. It's not a complete list of steroid or hgh users. It's a very good starting point to begin seriously cleaning up the game. Note Tejada that was traded away for a group of nobody's earlier this week - just before the report hit! Sorry Astros fans.

12-14-2007, 12:07 AM	#4
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	weird.... i read a summary of everyone and just double checked and he wasn't on there.... my bad if he is

12-14-2007, 12:13 AM	#5
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	Colin Cowherd said something hillarious on "The Herd" today (ESPN Radio) "If you didn't get great til you were 38 and you are on this list, then it doesn't surprise me" LOL

12-14-2007, 01:40 AM	#6
cajmoyper Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jun 2007 Location:San Antonio, TX Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:182	I think that the last ten years of baseball should be ignored in upcoming history books.

12-14-2007, 01:42 AM	#7
xtop Blu-ray Count Member since:Oct 2007 Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Trading Score:3	maybe i missed the whole point of this, but why is this a big deal. does it surprise anyone that players in any league have been using roids..for YEARS. i mean honestly..did we really need the list to know whos using?

12-14-2007, 11:12 AM	#10
Tulsa Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	This report is filled with conjecture and unsubstantiated rumors and George Mitchell was judge, jury and executioner when it came to who was and who was not included. This report cost $60 million dollars to produce and it appears to not have a whole lot of fact based conclusions. Basically it's as big a joke as MLB and the players union is right now. Thank goodness for football who bothers to take a stance against drugs and roids.

12-14-2007, 12:24 PM	#11
Josh Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Home Theater Gallery:50 4K collection:37 Blu-ray collection:407 Digital collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 15 Trading Score:34	Every sport has its dirty little secret. Football with abusing painkillers, baseball using steroids, and basketball favoring superstars. It just seamed that baseball never accepted the fact they had a problem and never really tried to resolve it. That is the big difference between the NFL or NBA (which has taken some action) vs MLB

12-14-2007, 02:23 PM	#12
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	I have a problem with players using steroids, but I also have a problem with this report. If someone published my name on a list without any formal charges or proof being filed, I would be furious. This list is going to tarnish reputations. This is no finding of guilt, only suspicion. If I were innocent, I'd be getting a lawyer today.

12-14-2007, 04:55 PM	#13
PossumPete Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northeast NC 4K collection:523 Blu-ray collection:2669 MA collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	I would say that a cancelled check to Radomski is plenty of evidence. What else was this guy providing for $1,200 - $1,300 a pop? Maybe if the player had just written HGH in the memo block...

12-14-2007, 07:17 PM	#15
PossumPete Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northeast NC 4K collection:523 Blu-ray collection:2669 MA collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	Yeah but he made $$$$. Mitchell's cost $60M!!

12-14-2007, 08:29 PM	#16
marzetta7 Special Member Member since:Feb 2006	I wouldn't say receipts, first-hand testimony, and online transactions are something of rumor and conjecture. Sure, these players ought to be innocent until proven guilty, but the burden of proof is on them to show their "innocence" given the facts presented.

12-14-2007, 11:52 PM	#17
Tulsa Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	The burden of proof in on MLB, not the players. This is still America and a smoking gun does not mean you pulled the trigger. A batboy feeding information to George Mitchell does not mean the player stuck a needle in his butt either.

12-15-2007, 12:40 AM	#19
Tulsa Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	umm, I think this qualifies as a figure of speech and not a literal translastion, but hey, thanks for playing.

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