True colors of HD-DVD fanbois - Blu-ray Forum

Petra · 01-09-2008, 10:55 PM

The event of the last week brought about the true colors of HD-DuDers fanbois. During the war, all of them claimed to be HD-enthusiasts, die hard HD who can't wait to early adopt future techs, pro-consumers, blah, blah, blah...

Now we can tell who is who......

1. The true HD enthusiasts are the ones saying, 'HD-DVD is dead, let's support BD' to fight SD and downloads

2. Pro-Microsofts are the ones saying, 'Digital Download is DA FUTURE!!!

3. Anti-Sonys are the ones saying, 'I ain't supporting BD, I'm going back to SD-DVD'

4. Dumb anti-consumers are the ones saying, 'The war ain't over, HD-DVD can still win this war'

reiella · 01-09-2008, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petra

The event of the last week brought about the true colors of HD-DuDers fanbois. During the war, all of them claimed to be HD-enthusiasts, die hard HD who can't wait to early adopt future techs, pro-consumers, blah, blah, blah...

Now we can tell who is who......

1. The true HD enthusiasts are the ones saying, 'HD-DVD is dead, let's support BD' to fight SD and downloads

2. Pro-Microsofts are the ones saying, 'Digital Download is DA FUTURE!!!

3. Anti-Sonys are the ones saying, 'I ain't supporting BD, I'm going back to SD-DVD'

4. Dumb anti-consumers are the ones saying, 'The war ain't over, HD-DVD can still win this war'

Feel sorry for #4, they're the ones who'll be getting burned the worst by this format war.

rodgerse · 01-09-2008, 10:59 PM

Can't agree with #2.Lost of ppl agree with this, lots who'v never heard of ms.

Kayne314 · 01-09-2008, 10:59 PM

I count myself under #1

Blu-Ray is the future. Now let's kill downloads and SD!

Seriously I've had Blu-Ray for enough time to have known it was going to be the winner of this thing. If you get an HD DVD supporter to actually SEE the difference. It's no contest. Blu-Ray is superior. An HD enthusiast simply HAS to admit that. Everyone else is just deluding themselves.

mikesoba · 01-09-2008, 11:02 PM

At AVS forum, most are in camps 1, 2 & 3.

At least they recognize the format is withering away, and quickly.

The best read is in the link "What Now. . ."

Petra · 01-09-2008, 11:04 PM

In Hidef Digest, I still see a few of #4

MrXpress · 01-09-2008, 11:05 PM

I'm admittedly someone who leaned towards HD DVD, mainly because I enjoy interactivity and PiP commentaries and such. Despite this, even before the WB rumors started I had more Blu-rays than HD DVDs, and now that the PS3 is Profile 1.1 compliant, you could say that I'm almost fully Blu (the little red part will exist until Uni and Paramount switch, as I enjoy quite a few movies from those two studios). So that in that sense, I'm definitely a fan of high-def optical media over the other solutions (SD, downloads), it's just my status as a broke college student prevents me from supporting it even more

I can say this though: before the WB announcement, AVS never really bothered me, and I wondered why everyone on here had so much hatred for that place. After trying to read through that place for a couple days after the announcement though, I fully understand where the hatred comes from now.

Petra · 01-09-2008, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrXpress

I'm admittedly someone who leaned towards HD DVD, mainly because I enjoy interactivity and PiP commentaries and such. Despite this, even before the WB rumors started I had more Blu-rays than HD DVDs, and now that the PS3 is Profile 1.1 compliant, you could say that I'm almost fully Blu (the little red part will exist until Uni and Paramount switch, as I enjoy quite a few movies from those two studios). So that in that sense, I'm definitely a fan of high-def optical media over the other solutions (SD, downloads), it's just my status as a broke college student prevents me from supporting it even more

I can say this though: before the WB announcement, AVS never really bothered me, and I wondered why everyone on here had so much hatred for that place. After trying to read through that place for a couple days after the announcement though, I fully understand where the hatred comes from now.

Many of us here are ex-AVS-ers. Back then the blu-fans were constantly abused due to BD misteps in fall of 2006. After my second ban from the forum, I decided to abandon it and joined blu-ray.com

tuku · 01-09-2008, 11:12 PM

You hit the nail on the head. That is an excellent summary. Nice to see a couple of no 1s here.

BTW im new to all HD stuff, but the vitreol that is spouted off in HDD and AVS forum is unbelievable. They give fanboyism a bad name!

Sylin · 01-09-2008, 11:13 PM

I still want hi-def downloads to (eventually) prevail over physical media. But not until it is (a) on-demand for any movie, sporting event, TV show or trailer I want, whenever I want, (b) cheaper than buying the physical media, (c) completely lossless audio and video quality, (d) downloads only take minutes, not hours or days, and (e) a simple server storage solution that allows me to hold nearly unlimited downloads and share them across my home theater, laptop, iPod, car, etc.

Basically, I want Star Trek IRL. Until that happens, I'm Blu.

Dalese · 01-09-2008, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petra

The event of the last week brought about the true colors of HD-DuDers fanbois. During the war, all of them claimed to be HD-enthusiasts, die hard HD who can't wait to early adopt future techs, pro-consumers, blah, blah, blah...

Now we can tell who is who......

1. The true HD enthusiasts are the ones saying, 'HD-DVD is dead, let's support BD' to fight SD and downloads

2. Pro-Microsofts are the ones saying, 'Digital Download is DA FUTURE!!!

3. Anti-Sonys are the ones saying, 'I ain't supporting BD, I'm going back to SD-DVD'

4. Dumb anti-consumers are the ones saying, 'The war ain't over, HD-DVD can still win this war'

The #1's I applaud for because that is exactly what I would be doing if Blu-ray had lost.

The #3's I think I would call them the "sore loosers". If they can't have HD their way, then it's "no way".

The #4's should be called the "ignorants". They aren't looking at the big picture of where high-def media needs to go to survive.

Now some of the #3's are being confused with #2's (properly labeled IMO). The true #2's are Microsoft mouthpieces. The #3's that have slipped into this category are not willing to give up on high-def entirely, just high-def media.

ClaytonMG · 01-09-2008, 11:19 PM

I love the #4 people... Why the crap would you want a format that only 2 studios will be releasing titles for? It makes no sense at all! Even if HD DVD magically survives with these 2 studios, they'd have to keep up enough releases each week to warrant the formats existance which isn't going to happen. It's actually almost impossible...

cking2729 · 01-09-2008, 11:21 PM

Actually I see more HD-DVD fanboys crying that the consumers lost because HD-DVD lost. Obviously because a technologically inferior product is $100 bucks cheaper and was pronounced dead over a year ago makes it the "consumer friendly" format, right? By their logic, yes, absolutely.

But I definitely don't understand why they are crying other than the fact they wasted AT LEAST a few hundred bucks on something now obsolete. Given their mindset honestly don't expect any of them to acceptingly convert to Blu, and nobody else should either.

Besides, they aren't our problem now. The new battle is helping the BDA meet their billion disc forecast and help spur the transition from DVD. HD-DVD is no longer on the same playing field as Blu-Ray, and has officially gone off to its own sector of the market -- commonly referred to as the garage sale market.

EvolutionCherry · 01-09-2008, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petra

The event of the last week brought about the true colors of HD-DuDers fanbois. During the war, all of them claimed to be HD-enthusiasts, die hard HD who can't wait to early adopt future techs, pro-consumers, blah, blah, blah...

Now we can tell who is who......

1. The true HD enthusiasts are the ones saying, 'HD-DVD is dead, let's support BD' to fight SD and downloads

2. Pro-Microsofts are the ones saying, 'Digital Download is DA FUTURE!!!

3. Anti-Sonys are the ones saying, 'I ain't supporting BD, I'm going back to SD-DVD'

4. Dumb anti-consumers are the ones saying, 'The war ain't over, HD-DVD can still win this war'

1. Wise sort.

2. LOL Yeah thats right download and waste your disc-space on films.

3. Thats just sad.

4. LOL This sort needs to wake up.

hc666 · 01-09-2008, 11:25 PM

It's not even worth worrying about.

How about DVD Fanboys? They should be the next target haha, or the download crowd... ugh!

Bizdady · 01-09-2008, 11:25 PM

I always thought AVS of as the elite Audio Video tech guys but quickly realized they are nothing but Fan boys.

mikesoba · 01-09-2008, 11:29 PM

I would add another bullet

5. The Olive Branch: Those that believe the BD specs will be modified to support HD DVD

scragham · 01-09-2008, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petra

The event of the last week brought about the true colors of HD-DuDers fanbois. During the war, all of them claimed to be HD-enthusiasts, die hard HD who can't wait to early adopt future techs, pro-consumers, blah, blah, blah...

Now we can tell who is who......

1. The true HD enthusiasts are the ones saying, 'HD-DVD is dead, let's support BD' to fight SD and downloads

2. Pro-Microsofts are the ones saying, 'Digital Download is DA FUTURE!!!

3. Anti-Sonys are the ones saying, 'I ain't supporting BD, I'm going back to SD-DVD'

4. Dumb anti-consumers are the ones saying, 'The war ain't over, HD-DVD can still win this war'

agreed - although #4 needs to include the nutjob diehards who are advocating that toshiba pay whatever it takes to keep uni and paramount red and thus take everyone down with them.

darkpoet25 · 01-09-2008, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikcizokm

I still want hi-def downloads to (eventually) prevail over physical media. But not until it is (a) on-demand for any movie, sporting event, TV show or trailer I want, whenever I want, (b) cheaper than buying the physical media, (c) completely lossless audio and video quality, (d) downloads only take minutes, not hours or days, and (e) a simple server storage solution that allows me to hold nearly unlimited downloads and share them across my home theater, laptop, iPod, car, etc.

Basically, I want Star Trek IRL. Until that happens, I'm Blu.

You do realise that it will be quite a while till this happens. Most people, myself included will still buy physical media. Why? I like having the actual disc, and everything that goes with it, including the case, inserts and artwork. Besides what would you do if your hard drive craps out? Or you download something that was hacked and you download a virus? Like I said I will keep the physical media and so will most people.

Arr MiHardies · 01-10-2008, 12:40 AM

To be honest, I can understand the desire for downloads. I have an appleTV, and have been encoding my dvd collection and storing them on an external drive. Sure, it takes up loads of space, but having everything right there at your fingertips is a major convenience that can't be denied. Especially when you start to get a massive collection (I have almost 1000 dvd/BD discs) having a place to put them and make them still accessible (not to mention keeping them in alphabetical order when you have children in the house) becomes a majors issue. So, I can understand the desire for downloads and digital storage. Heck, the process of ripping dvds to my computer and playing them on the aTV seems to upconvert the video very nicely. Though I do lose out a bit on the audio side, as the mp4 codec (which is all an unhacked aTV) can support) is only capable of dobly prologic at best. but removing an entire wall of dvds and replacing it with a single external hard drive is a storage solution that can not be scoffed at. However for digital downloads to work, they really need to have better bandwidth and at least 1080i resolution, and an easy way to store data that does not rely on a home pc.

Edit: One thing that pisses me off to no end is why studios continue to release discs with cases that are 3-4 times larger than they need to be to store and protect the disc. My collection could easily take up 1/3 the space if all the cases where as thin as they could and -should- be. They should all be the size of a standard cd case with half or 1/3 the width is all that is truly needed for storage and adequate protection. sure make them a bit thicker if you want to include a booklet or something. but many of the movies i buy today have nearly empty cases wasting massive amounts of space.

01-09-2008, 11:12 PM	#9
tuku Member Member since:Dec 2007	You hit the nail on the head. That is an excellent summary. Nice to see a couple of no 1s here. BTW im new to all HD stuff, but the vitreol that is spouted off in HDD and AVS forum is unbelievable. They give fanboyism a bad name! Last edited by tuku; 01-09-2008 at 11:15 PM.

01-09-2008, 11:29 PM	#17
mikesoba Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:South Bay, California Blu-ray collection:258	I would add another bullet 5. The Olive Branch: Those that believe the BD specs will be modified to support HD DVD

01-10-2008, 12:40 AM	#20
Arr MiHardies Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	To be honest, I can understand the desire for downloads. I have an appleTV, and have been encoding my dvd collection and storing them on an external drive. Sure, it takes up loads of space, but having everything right there at your fingertips is a major convenience that can't be denied. Especially when you start to get a massive collection (I have almost 1000 dvd/BD discs) having a place to put them and make them still accessible (not to mention keeping them in alphabetical order when you have children in the house) becomes a majors issue. So, I can understand the desire for downloads and digital storage. Heck, the process of ripping dvds to my computer and playing them on the aTV seems to upconvert the video very nicely. Though I do lose out a bit on the audio side, as the mp4 codec (which is all an unhacked aTV) can support) is only capable of dobly prologic at best. but removing an entire wall of dvds and replacing it with a single external hard drive is a storage solution that can not be scoffed at. However for digital downloads to work, they really need to have better bandwidth and at least 1080i resolution, and an easy way to store data that does not rely on a home pc. Edit: One thing that pisses me off to no end is why studios continue to release discs with cases that are 3-4 times larger than they need to be to store and protect the disc. My collection could easily take up 1/3 the space if all the cases where as thin as they could and -should- be. They should all be the size of a standard cd case with half or 1/3 the width is all that is truly needed for storage and adequate protection. sure make them a bit thicker if you want to include a booklet or something. but many of the movies i buy today have nearly empty cases wasting massive amounts of space. Last edited by Arr MiHardies; 01-10-2008 at 12:49 AM.

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01-09-2008, 10:55 PM	#1
Petra Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	True colors of HD-DVD fanbois The event of the last week brought about the true colors of HD-DuDers fanbois. During the war, all of them claimed to be HD-enthusiasts, die hard HD who can't wait to early adopt future techs, pro-consumers, blah, blah, blah... Now we can tell who is who...... 1. The true HD enthusiasts are the ones saying, 'HD-DVD is dead, let's support BD' to fight SD and downloads 2. Pro-Microsofts are the ones saying, 'Digital Download is DA FUTURE!!! 3. Anti-Sonys are the ones saying, 'I ain't supporting BD, I'm going back to SD-DVD' 4. Dumb anti-consumers are the ones saying, 'The war ain't over, HD-DVD can still win this war'

01-09-2008, 10:59 PM	#3
rodgerse Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	Can't agree with #2.Lost of ppl agree with this, lots who'v never heard of ms.

01-09-2008, 10:59 PM	#4
Kayne314 Senior Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Blu-ray reviews:1	I count myself under #1 Blu-Ray is the future. Now let's kill downloads and SD! Seriously I've had Blu-Ray for enough time to have known it was going to be the winner of this thing. If you get an HD DVD supporter to actually SEE the difference. It's no contest. Blu-Ray is superior. An HD enthusiast simply HAS to admit that. Everyone else is just deluding themselves.

01-09-2008, 11:02 PM	#5
mikesoba Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:South Bay, California Blu-ray collection:258	At AVS forum, most are in camps 1, 2 & 3. At least they recognize the format is withering away, and quickly. The best read is in the link "What Now. . ."

01-09-2008, 11:04 PM	#6
Petra Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	In Hidef Digest, I still see a few of #4

01-09-2008, 11:05 PM	#7
MrXpress Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Tampa, FL	I'm admittedly someone who leaned towards HD DVD, mainly because I enjoy interactivity and PiP commentaries and such. Despite this, even before the WB rumors started I had more Blu-rays than HD DVDs, and now that the PS3 is Profile 1.1 compliant, you could say that I'm almost fully Blu (the little red part will exist until Uni and Paramount switch, as I enjoy quite a few movies from those two studios). So that in that sense, I'm definitely a fan of high-def optical media over the other solutions (SD, downloads), it's just my status as a broke college student prevents me from supporting it even more I can say this though: before the WB announcement, AVS never really bothered me, and I wondered why everyone on here had so much hatred for that place. After trying to read through that place for a couple days after the announcement though, I fully understand where the hatred comes from now.

01-09-2008, 11:13 PM	#10
Sylin Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Nashville Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:159	I still want hi-def downloads to (eventually) prevail over physical media. But not until it is (a) on-demand for any movie, sporting event, TV show or trailer I want, whenever I want, (b) cheaper than buying the physical media, (c) completely lossless audio and video quality, (d) downloads only take minutes, not hours or days, and (e) a simple server storage solution that allows me to hold nearly unlimited downloads and share them across my home theater, laptop, iPod, car, etc. Basically, I want Star Trek IRL. Until that happens, I'm Blu.

01-09-2008, 11:19 PM	#12
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:836 Blu-ray collection:2373 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	I love the #4 people... Why the crap would you want a format that only 2 studios will be releasing titles for? It makes no sense at all! Even if HD DVD magically survives with these 2 studios, they'd have to keep up enough releases each week to warrant the formats existance which isn't going to happen. It's actually almost impossible...

01-09-2008, 11:21 PM	#13
cking2729 Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007	Actually I see more HD-DVD fanboys crying that the consumers lost because HD-DVD lost. Obviously because a technologically inferior product is $100 bucks cheaper and was pronounced dead over a year ago makes it the "consumer friendly" format, right? By their logic, yes, absolutely. But I definitely don't understand why they are crying other than the fact they wasted AT LEAST a few hundred bucks on something now obsolete. Given their mindset honestly don't expect any of them to acceptingly convert to Blu, and nobody else should either. Besides, they aren't our problem now. The new battle is helping the BDA meet their billion disc forecast and help spur the transition from DVD. HD-DVD is no longer on the same playing field as Blu-Ray, and has officially gone off to its own sector of the market -- commonly referred to as the garage sale market.

01-09-2008, 11:25 PM	#15
hc666 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2007 Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:100 Blu-ray reviews: 26	It's not even worth worrying about. How about DVD Fanboys? They should be the next target haha, or the download crowd... ugh!

01-09-2008, 11:25 PM	#16
Bizdady Blu-ray Duke Member since:Nov 2007 Location:8 1 8 Biatch!! L.A. Home Theater Gallery:21 Blu-ray collection:209 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:38	I always thought AVS of as the elite Audio Video tech guys but quickly realized they are nothing but Fan boys.

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