Rollerball 4K UHD (1975)

[NLScavenger]

Update 27 April 2020: Statement from Capelight regarding audio timing issues and replacement discs

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by ak4984

Official statement 04/27/2020: Unfortunately, there were several errors in the production of our ROLLERBALL editions. In order to anticipate Corona's closings of the production facilities (some in Italy) and the trade, we accelerated production in certain areas in March, which unfortunately caused QC to suffer in this complex project. Of course, this shouldn't have happened.

The following technical defects were found on the discs:
Since the UHD master was 4 frames shorter than the HD master, all audio tracks there are asynchronous by 4 frames (1/6 second).
-> The error is fixed.

In the remake, the original sound is asynchronous in some places. We have adopted the image and sound of the disc already published by another provider 1: 1. Apparently this problem was never noticed and corrected in the old release.
-> The error is fixed.

In the German 5.1 tone, the right channels have been interchanged with the left channels due to a labeling error. This is only noticeable in a few places, but should have been noticed at QC.
-> The error is fixed on the UHD and Blu-ray.

Accordingly, we will shortly offer three corrected discs (Rollerball 1975: Blu-ray + UHD and Rollerball Remake: Blu-ray) for exchange.

As already confirmed, the German and English “original sound” (PCM) of 35 mm elements were taken. It was never intended to remaster these versions, so these tones were clearly identified as "original" and "restored".
Of course there are the "remastered" tones on our discs, which have been technically processed as far as possible. In the future we will unfortunately no longer offer such restored original sounds as a bonus and will only use a final sound track as a remaster for our discs.
For the new edition of the discs, we will indicate in the sound menu with a blackboard that the sounds correspond to the original and have not been further processed.

In return:
- All customers who have ordered ROLLERBALL in the capelight shop will automatically receive the new discs without having to make an inquiry.
- All other customers please send an email with a photo or scan of the proof of purchase and address to support@capelight.de.

The new discs are expected to be delivered in 5-6 weeks. If the production of the new discs takes longer than expected due to the current situation, please be patient.
When new rollerball orders are placed in the capelight shop, these discs are automatically included as soon as they are available.

We regret the circumstances and still wish you a lot of fun with the editions of ROLLERBALL.

Original

Leider sind bei der Produktion unserer ROLLERBALL-Editionen mehrere Fehler unterlaufen. Um Corona bedingten Schließungen der Produktionsstätten (teilweise in Italien) und des Handels zuvorzukommen, haben wir im März die Produktion in bestimmten Bereichen beschleunigt, wodurch leider die QC bei diesem komplexen Projekt gelitten hat. Dies hätte natürlich nicht passieren dürfen.

Folgende technische Mängel konnten auf den Discs festgestellt werden:
Da das UHD-Master 4 Frames kürzer als das HD-Master war, sind dort alle Tonspuren um 4 Frames (1/6 Sekunde) asynchron.
-> Der Fehler wird behoben.

Beim Remake ist der Original-Ton an einigen Stellen asynchron. Wir haben Bild und Ton der bereits durch einen anderen Anbieter veröffentlichten Disc 1:1 übernommen. Scheinbar wurde dieses Problem bei der alten Veröffentlichung nie bemerkt und korrigiert.
-> Der Fehler wird behoben.

Im deutschen 5.1 Ton sind die rechten Kanäle durch einen Beschriftungsfehler mit den linken Kanälen vertauscht worden. Dies ist zwar nur an wenigen Stellen auffällig, hätte aber bei der QC bemerkt werden müssen.
-> Der Fehler wird auf der UHD und der Blu-ray behoben.

Entsprechend werden wir in Kürze drei korrigierte Discs (Rollerball 1975: Blu-ray + UHD sowie Rollerball Remake: Blu-ray) zum Austausch anbieten.

Wie bereits bestätigt, wurden der deutsche und englische „Original-Ton“ (PCM) von 35-mm-Elementen entnommen. Es war nie vorgesehen, ein Remastering für diese Versionen zu erstellen, so wurden diese Töne als „Original“ und „restauriert“ deutlich gekennzeichnet.
Natürlich gibt es die „remastered“ Töne auf unseren Discs, die so weit es möglich war, technisch aufgearbeitet wurden. Zukünftig werden wir solche restaurierten Original-Töne als Bonus leider nicht mehr anbieten und nur eine finale Tonspur als Remaster für unsere Discs nutzen.
Für die Neuauflage der Discs werden wir im Ton-Menü durch eine Tafel darauf hinweisen, dass die Töne dem Original entsprechen und nicht weiter bearbeitet wurden.

Zum Austausch:
- Alle Kunden, die ROLLERBALL im capelight-Shop bestellt haben, bekommen die neuen Discs automatisch zugeschickt, ohne dass eine Anfrage gestellt werden muss.
- Alle anderen Kunden senden bitte eine E-Mail mit einem Foto oder Scan des Kaufbelegs und Adresse an support@capelight.de.

Die neuen Discs werden voraussichtlich in 5-6 Wochen ausgeliefert werden können. Wenn die Produktion der neuen Discs aufgrund der aktuellen Lage wider Erwarten länger dauert, bitten wir um ein wenig Geduld.
Bei neuen Rollerball-Bestellungen im capelight-Shop werden diese Discs, sobald verfügbar, automatisch mitgeliefert.

Wir bedauern die Umstände und wünschen dennoch viel Freude mit den Editionen von ROLLERBALL.

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Rollerball (1975) is receiving a 4K UHD release from Capelight Pictures on April 17, 2020. Restoration by TLEFilms.

Teaser video: https://www.facebook.com/capelightpi...type=3&theater



Rollerball Ultimate Edition



Rollerball Collector's Edition Mediabook



Specs

Audio UHD/BD
- English DTS-HD MA 5.1
- English PCM 2.0
- German DTS-HD MA 5.1 (remastered)
- German PCM 2.0 Mono (remastered)
- German PCM 2.0 Mono (Original, restored)

Subtitles UHD/BD
- English
- German

Contents

UHD / Blu-ray
- "From Sweden To Stardom" – A conversation with Maud Adams
- "Return to the Arena: The Making of Rollerball"
- "The Fourth City" - Shooting Rollerball in Munich Unit manager Dieter Meyer and others revisit the Audi Dome and other original locations
- "The Bike Work - Craig R. Baxley on the Motorcycle Stunts in Rollerball" – Stunt artist Baxley on the challenges and dangers of being one of the Rollerball bikers
- "From Rome to Rollerball: The Full Circle" – original EPK bringing together interviews and on-set footage
- 13 original Trailer & TV Spots [partially restored]
- Audio commentary with director Norman Jewison
- Audio commentary with author William Harrison

Bonus BD
- "From Rollerball To Rome: How A Norman Jewison Classic Changed Sci-Fi Cinema"
- 2 Vintage 8mm reels: "Game On" and "Game Over"

The Ultimate Edition comes with the mediabook, double-sided poster, artcards, numbered certificate and a digipack with the following discs:

Bonus BD
- Remake ROLLERBALL (2002)

Bonus CD-Rom
- Additional material

[Dubstar]

(screams from the back) "Take my money!"

[Dailyan]

Just bought the TT release last night so you guys can thank me!

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Only a matter of time before Arrow puts out a remastered BD in both regions, or KL steps up with a US UHD and BD.

[Eschenpod]

Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Yeah I need to own this.

[jl1rp]

Hope this make it to the USA.

[Geoff D]

As soon as I saw ze German flag next to this I was like "don't be from Capelight, don't be from Capelight, don't be from Capelight"...reads first post...oh balls, it's from Capelight. I hope their UHD compression is better than their BD stuff.

Oh, and if TLE are doing the restoration then that means no HDR or WCG, it'll be SDR 709 all the way. Hi Torsten!

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As soon as I saw ze German flag next to this I was like "don't be from Capelight, don't be from Capelight, don't be from Capelight"...reads first post...oh balls, it's from Capelight. I hope their UHD compression is better than their BD stuff.

Oh, and if TLE are doing the restoration then that means no HDR or WCG, it'll be SDR 709 all the way. Hi Torsten!

Why do you get pleasure out of crushing my dreams Geoff?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Why do you get pleasure out of crushing my dreams Geoff?

I take no pleasure in crushing your dreams. But crush them I must.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I take no pleasure in crushing your dreams. But crush them I must.

Bad kitty.

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh, and if TLE are doing the restoration then that means no HDR or WCG, it'll be SDR 709 all the way. Hi Torsten!

He didn't say yes or no yet yesterday. As in he did answer the question, but didn't say yes or no yet. Which might mean yes IMO.

In particular because he said it was scanned by MGM via SCANITY HDR (EDIT: no, just SCANITY see) and would've been scanned via SCANITY HDR by TLE as well. And I'm not an expert but I read HDR twice there.

[NLScavenger]

Here's the quote by Torsten Kaiser regarding the scan that andreasy969 is referring to:

Hatte das bereits geschrieben - das Material durfte das Land leider nicht verlassen, sonst wäre das OCN hier aiuf SCANITY HDR und auch auf dem IMAGICA gescanned worden. So musste es, auf Basis genauer Vorlagen und Setups von uns, in Burbank (EFilm) auf einem SCANITY gemacht werden.
Sämtliche relevanten Referenzen und Vorlagen sind hier und auch auf (den hier vorhandenen) IMAGICA und SCANITY HDR gescanned da.

https://www.movieside.de/index.php?t...urierung.6749/

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

He didn't say yes or no yet yesterday. As in he did answer the question, but didn't say yes or no yet. Which might mean yes IMO.

In particular because he said it was scanned by MGM via SCANITY HDR and would've been scanned via SCANITY HDR by TLE as well. And I'm not an expert but I read HDR twice there.

A 'SCANITY HDR' is a model of scanner. It's called the "HDR" because it's a one-pass high dynamic range capture, rather than the two or three pass capture that some other scanners use to combine into a high dynamic range scan. Even so, I'm talking about "high dynamic range" here purely in general terms of capturing the available range and not mastering in the HDR PQ EOTF, there's no guarantee the latter will actually be used.

I should think that when new transfers are done from negative today either by or on behalf of major studios then they insist on a scan that captures as much range as possible, so even if the licensee doesn't want to do an actual HDR (PQ EOTF) finish then the raw data will be there on the scan which then gets archived. If TLE *are* doing an HDR finish then I can't imagine it was done willingly unless MGM insisted upon it or Torsten has undergone the most Damascene of conversions re: HDR and WCG.

[NLScavenger]

https://www.movieside.de/index.php?t...7/#post-311810

1. ROLLERBALL wird erstmals, und in einem KOMPLETTEN WORKFLOW, in 4K restauriert.
2. Als Basis wird - ebenfalls erstmals, das ORIGINAL (CAMERA/PICTURE) NEGATIVE genutzt, mit mehreren Referenzkopien (Achtung: nicgt verwechseln: keine Kinokopien) als Vorlage für die Restaurierung.
3. Das OCN ist extra für uns, anhand unserer Vorgaben, in 16 Bit 4K auf einem SCANITY in Burbank gescanned worden; nach identischen Vorlagen/Setups unseres SCANITY HDR. (Der Scan musste in Kalifoernien gemacht werden, da dass Material leider nicht das Land verlassen durfte; sonst wäre das Ganze auch (neben SCANITY HDR) auf IMAGICA hier gemacht worden)
4. Die Restaurierung ist deshalb notwendig, weil es aufgrund der problematischen Produktion, der vieles an Funding und Zeit fehlte, eine geradezu krasse Schere zwischen der eigentlichen Intention (die ersten Auskopierungen [nur Europa] waren zunächst TECHNICOLOR Druckkopien/Dye Transfer) und den späteren "Krücken" (EastmanColor Auskopierungen, die nicht zu den Lichtwerten passten) gab. Die gerade in den "Spielszenen" wichtigen "Knalleffekte" (Jerseys) der Mannschaften etc sind in TC genau das; dies wird auch wieder so sein. Zudem waren die Shots auf den Eastman Prints nicht sauber abgeglichen, was zu ständigen Wechseln zwischen den ARRIFlex Camera shots (zu grün) und PANAFLEX (zu blau/magentös) führte. Dies ist bei den RGB Werten bei TC (dankenswerterweise) so nicht möglich (gewesen) und somit wird auch dies wieder, erstmals seit der Premiere, und in technisch so perfekt wie möglicher Form, präzise und sauber sein.
5. ROLLERBALL wird auch - und zum ersten Mal wird ein Filmklassiker von einem Major Studio nicht von diesem selbst so veröffentlicht - IN 4K auf 4K UHD von Capelight Pictures und TLEFilms FRPS präsentiert.
6. Es wird "tonnenweise" (das sich über Jahrzehnte aus diversesten Ländern angesammelt hat) Extra/Zusatzmaterial geben.

Google translate

1. ROLLERBALL is being restored for the first time, and in a COMPLETE WORKFLOW, in 4K.
2. As a basis - also for the first time, the ORIGINAL (CAMERA / PICTURE) NEGATIVE is used, with several reference copies (Attention: do not confuse: no cinema copies) as a template for the restoration.
3. The OCN was extra scanned for us, based on our specifications, in 16-bit 4K on a SCANITY in Burbank; for identical templates / setups of our SCANITY HDR. (The scan had to be done in California, as the material was not allowed to leave the country, otherwise it would have been done here (besides SCANITY HDR) on IMAGICA)
4. The restoration is necessary because of the problematic production, which lacked much in terms of funding and time, a downright sharp gap between the actual intention (the first copies (Europe only) were first TECHNICOLOR hard copies / Dye Transfer) and the later "crutches "(EastmanColor copies that did not match the light values) gave. The "blast effects" (jerseys) of the teams etc, which are especially important in the "game scenes", are exactly that in TC; This will be the same again. In addition, the shots on the Eastman Prints were not properly balanced, resulting in constant switching between the ARRIFlex Camera shots (too green) and PANAFLEX (too blue / magenta). This is not possible (thankfully) for the RGB values ​​at TC, and thus this too will be accurate and clean for the first time since the premiere, and in the most technically perfect form possible.
5. ROLLERBALL will also be - and for the first time a movie classic by a major studio not released by this self - presented in 4K on 4K UHD by Capelight Pictures and TLEFilms FRPS.
6. It is "tons" (which has accumulated over decades from various countries) extra / additional material

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[Geoff D]

Right, so no mention of an actual HDR grading workflow whatsoever. Not shocked.

[PipesDonatello]

Nice! One of the top 10 greatest endings ever.

[johnpaul2]

"ROLLERBALL will also be - and for the first time a movie classic by a major studio not released by this self - presented in 4K on 4K UHD by Capelight Pictures and TLEFilms FRPS."

Close enough : Carlotta will be releasing Christine on UHD in France on Sept 18th 2019.

However, Rollerball looks like it will be the first studio movie restored for a third party UHD release. This, is true.

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Here's the quote by Torsten Kaiser regarding the scan that andreasy969 is referring to:

https://www.movieside.de/index.php?t...urierung.6749/

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Right, so no mention of an actual HDR grading workflow whatsoever. Not shocked.

I was actually mosly referring to this answer when being asked about HDR: https://www.movieside.de/index.php?t...9/#post-311873

And he didn't say yes or no yet. People can draw conclusions if they want to of course. I won't (publicly) - I stick to the facts.

[Geoff D]

I also like facts, you mentioned the "SCANITY HDR" thing above as some sort of preliminary evidence but I told you it was just a scanner. And it is. And another fact is that Torsten detests HDR and WCG when dealing with film, he won't thank me for saying so but it's true nonetheless. (If that circumstance has changed - I'm sure that TLE are sharp enough to spot which direction the wind is blowing - then I'll be as happy as anyone that that's the case.)

Drawing on those facts, I'll now speculate that Torsten is arguing as vehemently as he can to not include HDR on Rollerball, but perhaps the rights holders have other ideas and we won't know the outcome of that tussle yet.