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Old 01-21-2008, 05:28 PM   #1
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They say blu ray discs protective coating is stronger than DVD, but the first blue ray disc I have ever used got a scratch!.
I haven't got any copy of the archive recorded on it, -an .avi moovie-.

Even though Win DVD can read and play the film, the fact is that when it reaches the damaged sectors, I must quickly jump over these damaged sectors using the player's sliding control, otherwise it keeps skiping and the player gets blocked. Then, if I succeded in this operation I can still play the disc second part after the scratch until the end of it.
Does anyone know about any program that could extract and make a repaired copy of the entire non-damaged sections of the film?
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Old 01-21-2008, 06:21 PM   #2
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They say blu ray discs protective coating is stronger than DVD, but the first blue ray disc I have ever used got a scratch!.
I haven't got any copy of the archive recorded on it, -an .avi moovie-.

Even though Win DVD can read and play the film, the fact is that when it reaches the damaged sectors, I must quickly jump over these damaged sectors using the player's sliding control, otherwise it keeps skiping and the player gets blocked. Then, if I succeded in this operation I can still play the disc second part after the scratch until the end of it.
Does anyone know about any program that could extract and make a repaired copy of the entire non-damaged sections of the film?
Did it get scratched in your home or did it come that way? If it got easily scratched it could be a defect in the coating of that particular disc. If you bought it like that, there are stores that sell used discs as new, so it could be that.

As for the program I'm not sure of any, but you could try trading it farely to a store or secretly exchanging it with a rental house's disc.

Blu-ray coating is supposed to be 100x more scratch resistant then dvd.

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TDK claimed that Durabis makes the disc 100 times more scratch resistant.
Other companies have similar hard coatings, so it's possible performance may vary.

The tdk coating can even withstand steel wool and screwdriver attacks.
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Even after 300 passes by a steel wool pad, a Blu-ray Disc (BD-RE135N) with DURABIS hard coating shows virtually no increase in jitter, attesting to its superior ability to resist scratching.
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In a test conducted by CNET News.com, a DVD treated with TDK's coating survived a determined attack with a screwdriver and a Sharpie permanent marker with no effect on playability
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Old 01-21-2008, 06:23 PM   #3
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They say blu ray discs protective coating is stronger than DVD, but the first blue ray disc I have ever used got a scratch!.
I haven't got any copy of the archive recorded on it, -an .avi moovie-.

Even though Win DVD can read and play the film, the fact is that when it reaches the damaged sectors, I must quickly jump over these damaged sectors using the player's sliding control, otherwise it keeps skiping and the player gets blocked. Then, if I succeded in this operation I can still play the disc second part after the scratch until the end of it.
Does anyone know about any program that could extract and make a repaired copy of the entire non-damaged sections of the film?
I have never seen nor heard in personal experience of a scratch BD, it would take quite a lot to scratch them. They have taken brillo pads to them and they still worked fine...
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Old 01-21-2008, 06:27 PM   #4
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did you drive over it? or did an asteroid hit it? those things are nigh unscratchable.
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Old 01-21-2008, 07:17 PM   #5
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I am afraid it simply fell to the floor within its case and I picked it up after the hit had just crashed the case and the disc was on the floor.
However, I do not intend to open a thread about blu ray coating and reliability.
This disc had a home film I filmed personally and what I am interested in, really, is about a program that could rescue it, specially as I don't have any other copy and the broken sectors are few just in the middle of the film.
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Old 01-21-2008, 07:50 PM   #6
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I am afraid it simply fell to the floor within its case and I picked it up after the hit had just crashed the case and the disc was on the floor.
However, I do not intend to open a thread about blu ray coating and reliability.
This disc had a home film I filmed personally and what I am interested in, really, is about a program that could rescue it, specially as I don't have any other copy and the broken sectors are few just in the middle of the film.
Are you sure it's not some sort of smudge/dirt in the form of a scratch? If not is the scratch light or deep?((I imagine it must be a light scratch due to method in which it was created.)

Hmmm, a search yielded this program, which might be able to recover data if it's a light scratch(I've not checked on it, it'd need verification with them.). If not the sort of program is of this kind "data recovery".
isobuster data recovery tool

Another interesting article I found was this.

Concerning scratches and repairability.
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Is it true that Blu-Ray Discs are hard coated?
A: Yes, turns out it is a great protector against the casual "light" scuffs other light abrasions however they
do still get scratched. Much of what appears to be scratches on these discs, are truly only marks on the hard coat and therefore can
easily cleaned with a proper Anti-Static Wiping cloth and good spray cleaner such as the Azuradisc Spray cleaners and wipes.
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Q: Are Blu-Ray Discs Repairable? If So...How Deep of a Scratch can you repair?
A: Yes, however it is important to know how Blu-Ray differs from other discs.

A Blu-Ray disc has only an 8% Protection layer before you can scratch (from read side) into the actual data layer. This
layer is Pure Hard Coat material, and is not made from standard polycarbonate like all other disc formats it is hard coated and
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Q: How do you repair a Blu-Ray Disc?
A: essentially it must be repeatedly buffed, the hard coat must be re-smoothed back out. This requires using professional grade disc
repair machines, and takes much longer since the hard coat is the layer that you are actually repairing. Currently Using abrasive steps
is not recommended, because they can further scratch the disc, and make polishing steps even longer. We are researching additional
methods to repair these discs faster, however it can take up to 5 times longer to repair a Blu-Ray disc compared to a CD or DVD.
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Old 01-21-2008, 08:20 PM   #7
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I have never seen nor heard in personal experience of a scratch BD, it would take quite a lot to scratch them. They have taken brillo pads to them and they still worked fine...
True, but if it comes scratched from the factory, it's probably a bad scratch to begin with.

Recently, I gave "Medal of Honor: Airborne" Blu as a gift. The recipient told me that every time he reached level 3 in the game, the system would completely lock up on him. Then it began happening online too.

Thankfully, with the holidays, the allowed me to exchange for another copy. Since it was brand new, I figured it was a defect, but when I tried to exchange, she looked at the disc and told me that there was a big scratch He didn't scratch it, as all he did was take it out of the box and put it in the PS3, so obviously it happened at the factory. So yeah, it can happen, but not to the average person under normal circumstances. I love the resistant coating on them, I think that is one of their best features.
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Old 01-24-2008, 01:16 PM   #8
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Thank you so much to all who have answered, specially to you Blu Future. Yor reccomendation has hit the nail for me and I am now a happy owner of the ISO Buster application ($20 more or less) and more important, a happy owner of my recovered film (except a few photograms I am sure I will be able to re-edit from the source).

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Old 01-24-2008, 01:39 PM   #9
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This will sound crazy - but with DVD's if they were scratched a little, you could lick them and wipe them off and that would fix them for a while. Enough to get your data off. I am sure BD's will be the same

Sounds crazy but it's a known fact! Why does it work? I will let you figure that one out
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I got a scratched Blu-ray movie in the mail, the disc was loose inside the case.All I used was a soft cleaning cloth for DVDs and wiped the disc with a DVD cleaner(Clear Kote) and the scratch was removed.I have done this with two discs now and they look brand NEW.Keep in mind this didn't cover the scuff/scratch it removed it

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