8K TVs to be banned in EU by March 2023?

[Steedeel]

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.p...&id=1665647227

Potentially devastating for the 8K industry with ramifications for the global market. (30% of high end tv sales come from Europe)

[eChopper]

Good riddance. Manufacturers can now focus on improving motion resolution/ picture quality instead of useless specs.

[Hombre1]

Some big 4K screens also.

But it's NOT about 8K (or 4K), it's about power consumption.

And maybe cars are next in our stupid EU

Originally Posted by Steedeel

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.p...&id=1665647227

Potentially devastating for the 8K industry with ramifications for the global market. (30% of high end tv sales come from Europe)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Hombre1

Some big 4K screens also.

But it's NOT about 8K (or 4K), it's about power consumption.

And maybe cars are next in our stupid EU

The big question is will EU hold a review meeting before end of year? If they do listen, the rules might be Suspended for a year or two until proof is provided that energy consumption can be reduced.

[Deadend45]

Blasting colors sure take a lot of energy huh? lol

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Deadend45

Blasting colors sure take a lot of energy huh? lol

This is how it works tho. The idea is one thing and the actions taken are another.

There's no reason an 8K TV needs to consume more power than a 4K TV.

The car notion continues to be interesting. I have a good Solar system and I can cover all the electricity needs for my home but I don't think I could also charge 3 cars. At some point the real hero is doing less, wanting less, buying less, but this is also problematic esp when you want to do business.

Europe does have more small cars so cheers to that. I wish everyone in the US didn't want a house on wheels.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

This is how it works tho. The idea is one thing and the actions taken are another.

There's no reason an 8K TV needs to consume more power than a 4K TV.

The car notion continues to be interesting. I have a good Solar system and I can cover all the electricity needs for my home but I don't think I could also charge 3 cars. At some point the real hero is doing less, wanting less, buying less, but this is also problematic esp when you want to do business.

Europe does have more small cars so cheers to that. I wish everyone in the US didn't want a house on wheels.

Goods as a service will become a major play. Apple knows it and are heading that way.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by eChopper

Good riddance. Manufacturers can now focus on improving motion resolution/ picture quality instead of useless specs.

These power requirements will affect all flat panels including 4K flat panels. It does not matter what the resolution of the flat panel is, its how much power consumption they use. OLED displays are at risk also when getting up to the 77 inch and higher range.

quote from article

"On March 1, 2023, even stricter requirements including a lower maximum level for power consumption will be imposed on all new TVs produced."


Plasma displays have better picture quality then LCD, but around a decade ago they were removed from the market since they use too much power, and that is one of the reasons 4K plasmas never appeared on the market and only 2K (1080P) plasmas, since they would consume too much power to meet the strict government power requirements for plasma displays. OLED displays replaced plasmas.

Manufactories are only going to be able to make very limited picture quality improvements with motion, and HDR since 4K displays fall under the energy consumption rules put in place by the government or governments of the world. Therefore, if more power plants are not built, manufactories will be forced to limit the size of the display, and limit the picture quality of the display in order to meet the power requirements for 4K displays. For some consumers the less power a display uses is the most important factor. However Videophiles prefer the best picture quality even though the display might use a extra 50 to 100 watts of power to deliver nice bright HDR images.

8K displays are being sold in the United States that offer improved resolution, but they also consume more power because of the higher resolution. So, consumers in Europe might have to move to the USA to purchase a 8K display unless the rules for 8K displays change or a breakthrough is made in order to make 8K displays more energy efficient. The United States also has growing power issues and needs more power plants. Only 20% of the United States is on nuclear power that generates zero CO2 emissions. France is 70% nuclear power with possible in the years to come France could become 100% nuclear power and France is on track to becoming the first country to be absolutely zero CO2 emissions free when it comes to power plants. Then in decades to come France might be zero CO2 emissions for transportation and industry if electric vehicles are used instead of gas motors (electric lawn mowers, electric cars, electric trucks, electric buses, electric trains, and one day electric airplanes).

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

These power requirements will affect all flat panels including 4K flat panels. It does not matter what the resolution of the flat panel is, its how much power consumption they use. OLED displays are at risk also when getting up to the 77 inch and higher range.

quote from article

"On March 1, 2023, even stricter requirements including a lower maximum level for power consumption will be imposed on all new TVs produced."


Plasma displays have better picture quality then LCD, but around a decade ago they were removed from the market since they use too much power, and that is one of the reasons 4K plasmas never appeared on the market and only 2K (1080P) plasmas, since they would consume too much power to meet the strict government power requirements for plasma displays. OLED displays replaced plasmas.

Manufactories are only going to be able to make very limited picture quality improvements with motion, and HDR since 4K displays fall under the energy consumption rules put in place by the government or governments of the world. Therefore, if more power plants are not built, manufactories will be forced to limit the size of the display, and limit the picture quality of the display in order to meet the power requirements for 4K displays. For some consumers the less power a display uses is the most important factor. However Videophiles prefer the best picture quality even though the display might use a extra 50 to 100 watts of power to deliver nice bright HDR images.

8K displays are being sold in the United States that offer improved resolution, but they also consume more power because of the higher resolution. So, consumers in Europe might have to move to the USA to purchase a 8K display unless the rules for 8K displays change or a breakthrough is made in order to make 8k displays more energy efficient. The United States also has growing power issues and needs more power plants. Only 20% of the United States is on nuclear power that generates zero CO2 emissions. France is 70% nuclear power with possible in the years to come France could become 100% nuclear power and France is on track to becoming the first country to be absolutely zero CO2 emissions free when it comes to power plants. Then in decades to come France might be zero CO2 emissions for transportation and industry if electric vehicles are used instead of gas motors (electric lawn mowers, electric cars, electric trucks, electric buses, electric trains, and one day electric airplanes).

4K is good enough, I’m happy to stop there. It looks fantastic on a large screen.

If Europe has to abide with the new rules you can bet it will have a knock on effect for the USA. Questions will be asked of why Americans aren’t doing their bit.

Maybe it’s time to put 8K on the back burner until these problems are solved.

Having said all that, there is a work around. EU TVs could be preset at a dim energy saving mode with a notification that brighter settings can be achieved with the press of a button.

Also, the 8K association are lobbying for a response and that may still happen.

U.K. tv and film fans aren’t going to move to the USA to get a 8K tv, that’s wild talk.

The industry will sort the 4K issue, it’s 8K that seems undoable without that shortcut I mentioned.

It’s worth noting that 8K adoption is poor at this stage though.

[HDTV1080P]

8K displays are something for the year 2026+. There needs to be native 8K content offered by a 8K optical disc, 8K cable TV boxes, 8K satellite TV boxes, 8K ATSC over the air, and 8K streaming.

So until native 8K content is offered the sells for 8K displays will be lower. Also, it needs to be verified that 8K displays will work with the existing HCDP 2.2 standard, and it needs to be verified that something like a new HDCP 3.2 standard is not required.

Power consumption issues will affect all displays regardless of their resolution. 8K projectors in 2026+ might be except from the power consumption rules.

[Deadend45]

The more pixels there are the more energy they consume, its simple math. Dimming areas actually consume more energy rather then less..

[R3P0]

Shouldn't the title of this thread be Electrics to be banned in EU based off power consumption ratings as its not just 8k devices?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Shouldn't the title of this thread be Electrics to be banned in EU based off power consumption ratings as its not just 8k devices?

Most 4Ks will be able to adapt though.

[uncledougie]

Power efficiencies are obviously desirable wherever and whenever they can be obtained. But once again it mainly seems like window dressing if they find workarounds with override controls to get the displays back to proper brightness spec. And in the scheme of things such savings are minuscule considering the waste elsewhere in allowing crypto mining and military activities that comparatively make these inconveniences meaningless in real world terms. But it makes politicians feel they are able to point to measures they’re taking when the big potential energy saving decisions are in the hands of lobbyists and special interests whether in the US or EU (though the dynamics and details may differ). This paltry shell game is in some ways silly.

[AmishParadise]

Better idea. Ban the EU by March 2023.

[Steedeel]

EU confirm that the restrictions will remain in place.

Now we are in trouble.

[HDTV1080P]

Videophiles in Europe will need to purchase a projector for the best picture quality. Many companies will most likely be importing a massive amount of 8K and 4K screens to the European warehouses before the March 2023 ban goes in effect. That way there would be a year or two supply of TV’s available before the strict power consumption rules become law in March 2023.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=122

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

EU confirm that the restrictions will remain in place.

Now we are in trouble.

Manufacturers could always stop selling televisions in the EU then what would the EU do.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

EU confirm that the restrictions will remain in place.

Now we are in trouble.

The UK is not part of the EU so 8K TVs can be sold there.

[D00mM4r1n3]

From what I got out of the article: only the default mode the TV starts up in needs to comply with the power rating but the user can switch to any other mode that draws as much power as they want with nothing more than a warning. So, start it in a mode with a reduced backlight and you're good to go.