Need some help guys on info about HDMI in PS3 connections !

[0700700]

Hallo guys, im planning on purchasing a nice little Playstation 3 (once they become available here in the UK) to enjoy BD disks... but i have just read something about HDMI 1.3 and i would like to ask you for some help:

Dolby Digital PLUS and DTS HD are carried by the HDMI 1.3 cable (unless there is a decoder in the player but thats another point).... once you have your playstation 3 and you want to enjoy the next generation of surround sound, you obviously connect your HDMI lead to your next-gen AV receiver, like this http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dtshd-mast...w-receiver.php ...
... and then what ?

How do you get to connect it to your telly ?

do you

1) use the second HDMI output of your PS3 to connect it to the telly (is that possible... settings wise the PS3 menu probably wont allow you)
2) use the switching capabilities of your AV receiver (HDMI 1.3 support of course), to connect to the telly ?


ANd just something else... i wanted to buy the new 46X2000 Bravia Pure HD LCD monitor, which apparantly does not support HDMI 1.3 ... so it seems that the telly supports 6 billion colours , but the HDMI 1.2a connection only supports 1billion (whereas the 1.3 version supports 16billion)... is there anything that can be done about it ?


MANY THANKS

[JTK]

Originally Posted by 0700700

Hallo guys, im planning on purchasing a nice little Playstation 3 (once they become available here in the UK) to enjoy BD disks... but i have just read something about HDMI 1.3 and i would like to ask you for some help:

Dolby Digital PLUS and DTS HD are carried by the HDMI 1.3 cable (unless there is a decoder in the player but thats another point).... once you have your playstation 3 and you want to enjoy the next generation of surround sound, you obviously connect your HDMI lead to your next-gen AV receiver, like this http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dtshd-mast...w-receiver.php ...
... and then what ?

HDMI from PS3 to receiver HDMI input.

Then another HDMI cable from the HDMI output of the receiver to the TV.

How do you get to
do you

1) use the second HDMI output of your PS3 to connect it to the telly (is that possible... settings wise the PS3 menu probably wont allow you)

There is only one HDMI output on the PS3.

2) use the switching capabilities of your AV receiver (HDMI 1.3 support of course), to connect to the telly ?

This is what you do.

ANd just something else... i wanted to buy the new 46X2000 Bravia Pure HD LCD monitor, which apparantly does not support HDMI 1.3 ... so it seems that the telly supports 6 billion colours , but the HDMI 1.2a connection only supports 1billion (whereas the 1.3 version supports 16billion)... is there anything that can be done about it ?


MANY THANKS

Long story short: The experts are saying we're looking at YEARS before we really start seeing anything that takes advantage of HDMI 1.3's video capabilities.

In other words: Don't sweat it.

Footnote: None of us needs HDMI 1.3 for any of the audio. You can get the audio handled right now with just about HDMI receiver out there and the PS3.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by JTK

Footnote: None of us needs HDMI 1.3 for any of the audio. You can get the audio handled right now with just about HDMI receiver out there and the PS3.

Because by the time PS3 comes out in the UK, the PS3 should be handling decoding duties on the DTS-MA as well.

None of us needs it, but we wants it, oh how we wants it! (said in the voice of Smeagol)

[WriteSimply]

The raw bitstream of DTS HDMA can only be handled by HDMI 1.3. So if a HDMI 1.3 receiver is out there and can decode the DTS HDMA signal, that's what you have to get.

The PS3 currently cannot decode DTS HDMA to LPCM to pass through HDMI. Maybe a future upgrade will include this decoding feature.


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[0700700]

thanks everyone you really are a knowlegable bunch

[scott1256ca]

I have another question.
I have an HDMI display, but not 1.3
So if I do get a HDMI1.3 receiver, will the PS3 still transmit DTS HDMA or TrueHD to the receiver, or does the entire chain have to be HDMI1.3 before the PS3, or any other HDMI1.3 capable player for that matter, will output the lossless streams? Or would the PS3 convert to LPCM and output that way?

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by scott1256ca

I have another question.
I have an HDMI display, but not 1.3
So if I do get a HDMI1.3 receiver, will the PS3 still transmit DTS HDMA or TrueHD to the receiver, or does the entire chain have to be HDMI1.3 before the PS3, or any other HDMI1.3 capable player for that matter, will output the lossless streams? Or would the PS3 convert to LPCM and output that way?

Firstly, you're confusing the issue by mentioning your display is not HDMI 1.3. It doesn't matter for now. The BD format can't go Deep Color yet. Probably never. The PS3 games may. Or may not.

Secondly, if you set your PS3 to decode the audio to LPCM, then that's what it'll send out to a receiver (1.1 to 1.3). If you set it to bitstream, it'll pass the bitstream.

Thirdly, a HDMI chain is considered connected when it terminates on the other end. So your entire playback chain does not have to be HDMI 1.3 YET.

If starting from 2007 the BDA anounces they'll adapt Deep Color, then you'd better wait for everything to be in 1.3.


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[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by JTK

Long story short: The experts are saying we're looking at YEARS before we really start seeing anything that takes advantage of HDMI 1.3's video capabilities.

I think maybe some of the PS/3 games will take advantage of the colour depth sooner than that. But, since the movies are only 8-bit, that is probably not going to benefit for a while.

BTW, great sig. Especially since I now have to start thinking about an HDMI receiver.

Gary

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

I think maybe some of the PS/3 games will take advantage of the colour depth sooner than that. But, since the movies are only 8-bit, that is probably not going to benefit for a while.

You'll see some benefit: less countouring or banding, or at least the assurance that you'll see exactly the minimum that's encoded in the disc's 7.78 bits w/o further losses by the the display and ancilliary electronics (7.78 bits is from level 16 to 235)

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

I think maybe some of the PS/3 games will take advantage of the colour depth sooner than that. But, since the movies are only 8-bit, that is probably not going to benefit for a while.

BTW, great sig. Especially since I now have to start thinking about an HDMI receiver.

Gary

I am looking seriously at the Yamaha RXV2700.

Pity I'm already feeling buyer's guilt and I have yet to actually buy anything.

Why do I feel that way?

Because I just bought my HK AVR 635 back in January of 2005. It has no HDMI, so obviously I want to upgrade to at least HDMI 1.1. switching all the way to enjoy all the nice new fangled audio from BD off of the PS3.

I know how this game works, but I'll be royally angry with myself if 1-2 years from now goes by and I'm up at bat yet again for another receiver.

On paper, that shouldn't happen, but who knows with this industry? Nothing's guranteed.


The new Yamahas actually have HDMI 1.2a switching, so that would put me well over the top.

Click my sig and start looking for recent posts by Bob Pariseau in that amps/receivers area. He debunks so much hype and myth surrounding HDMI 1.3 it's downright amazing.

Simply put: Anyone who buys a receiver now really shouldn't be screwed over for the forseeable future, at least.

[Blackraven]

I just wanna pop in a question.

If you do have an HDMI 1.3 display next year, what would be the first improvements that you would expect to see when you hook HDMI for the PS3?

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

I just wanna pop in a question.

If you do have an HDMI 1.3 display next year, what would be the first improvements that you would expect to see when you hook HDMI for the PS3?

I think that would be an imaginary improvement.

I believe just like the 720p native rendering, unless the game code is there to produce 4:4:4 video then you're not going to get much if at all. BD spec is probably not going to change to Deep Color. And as far as broadcast or satellite HD is concerned, you might as well forget it.


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[JTK]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

I just wanna pop in a question.

If you do have an HDMI 1.3 display next year, what would be the first improvements that you would expect to see when you hook HDMI for the PS3?

None.

Pretty much every expert I've run across says it will take years to start seeing any of the so-called benefits of HDMI 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 is one of the most overhyped, overmarketed things I think I've seen in CE for quite some time. Again: Look up Bob Pariseau at AVS and read some of his recent posts on the subject. Heck, the thread in my sig alone is a great place to start. The first post and just the last page or two.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

I just wanna pop in a question.

If you do have an HDMI 1.3 display next year, what would be the first improvements that you would expect to see when you hook HDMI for the PS3?

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