PS3 vs 360/HD-DVD

[SDK]

Originally Posted by h__p://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_ps3vsxbox360addon.html

Conclusions -- Which One to Buy?

Sorry, I can't tell you which is the best next-gen game console -- that's all about the games. But in terms of high-definition picture and sound quality, ease-of-use and price, both the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 with add-on deliver a product that rivals any next-gen player on the market today, regardless of format. That doesn't mean both aren't without their drawbacks. The Xbox 360 add-on suffers from a lack of HDMI and analog outputs, though it still delivers excellent results despite those limitations. The PS3, meanwhile, also lacks analog outs, but it does have HDMI 1.3 support and can pass-through Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD to compatible receivers. The lack of 1080i upconversion on the PS3 is a huge issue, though, so unless you have a 1080p-capable HDTV, you may suffer buyer's remorse.

That said, with most stand-alone Blu-ray decks still retailing for about $1000, the PS3 is truly a terrific value by comparison -- even the steeper $600 60Gb model. While Microsoft is heavily touting the Xbox 360's HD DVD add-on price of $199, remember that you still have to buy the console, too. So you're still looking at about $500, which is the same price as the entry-level PS3. The most elite videophile will likely (and rightly) still opt for a stand-alone Blu-ray or HD DVD deck in light of the various issues with each console, but if you do opt for the PS3 and/or the Xbox 360 with add-on as the media hub for your home theater, you certainly could do a hell of a lot worse. Just don't shoot anyone to get your hands on one of 'em, okay?

What do you think?

[Dave]

I think that a non HDMI, no games addon is nowhere near the quality that PS3 brings.
Not to mention that Blu-ray format, as we know, is so much more than the hddvd upgrade format ...

[56@Yamamoto]

Again, they are going to try intentionally misleading.

" If you don't have 1080p capable set, PS3 is useless!!"

I feel sick.. Someone will correct this claim and point if you have 720p/1080i capable set (almost of HDTV set), there is no problem?

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by Dave

I think that a non HDMI, no games addon is nowhere near the quality that PS3 brings.
Not to mention that Blu-ray format, as we know, is so much more than the hddvd upgrade format ...

I've heard a few reviews that the add-on (despite being an external bulk device) has better PQ than the PS3 with 1.10 firmware.

Of course, you the AQ is nowhere near that of the PS3. With only announced support for Dolby Digital 5.1 and AC3, how can it beat the PS3's audio capabilities when it supports the high-def audio codecs such as DTS-HD MA (in the future), Dolby True HD and the one-of-a-kind underdog which is LPCM. Thus, the PS3 provides an easier path to higher-path definition audio (that not even XBOX add-on can provide) when maximized.

And the add-on streams the audio and video data via USB to the XBOX 360 then it outputs to the TV (correct?). Thus, the speed of the playback is dependent on how fast the USB connection does its transfer.

If you talk about price here's the breakdown.

-XBOX 360 Core + HD-DVD addon = USD$500 (around 25,000 pesos)
-XBOX 360 PRO + HD-DVD addon = USD$600 (around 30,000 pesos)

Compared to:
-PS3 20 GB HDD = USD$500 (PHP 25 K)
-PS3 60 GB HDD = USD$600 (PHP 30 K)

See, there is no price difference. Relatively the same so I don't what is there to complain when the competitor also has the same pricing.

Thus, there is no reason to believe the *******s in elitist forums (ie. AVS HD-DVD section) that spread FUD and lies stating that the X360 + add-on is cheaper than the overpriced PS3.

Don't fall for such lies & deceit. No one should fall for their FUD since we all no what the truth is

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by 56@Yamamoto

I feel sick.. Someone will correct this claim and point if you have 720p/1080i capable set (almost of HDTV set), there is no problem?

Not to mention that a firmware fix is on the way to help PS3 buyers who have native 1080i sets that suffer the 720p downscale (like in Resistance).

With rumors stating that it would come before the year ends.

Hayzz, I don't know what kind of FUD would they come up with now. I feel sick as well when I hear fanboy comments from "ViperROhb34" over at Dailytech.com.

But as the time comes, blind fools like them would not be able to bear the truth that the PS3 WILL beat their console starting 2008.

[hyperdine]

Originally Posted by 56@Yamamoto

Again, they are going to try intentionally misleading.

" If you don't have 1080p capable set, PS3 is useless!!"

I feel sick.. Someone will correct this claim and point if you have 720p/1080i capable set (almost of HDTV set), there is no problem?

They're also doing a disservice by not being completely upfront about this. This an issue with the TV's, not the PS3 (mainly, older HDTV's). I can't believe they mention this as a problem, but don't mention that the 360 has the same issue with the 1080p upconversion. It's practically the same problem (again, it's the TV not the 360 itself).

They are trying to make this into a bigger issue than it really is. Sony will release a firmware upgrade in the near future and this will be over quickly.

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by hyperdine

They're also doing a disservice by not being completely upfront about this. This an issue with the TV's, not the PS3 (mainly, older HDTV's). I can't believe they mention this as a problem, but don't mention that the 360 has the same issue with the 1080p upconversion. It's practically the same problem (again, it's the TV not the 360 itself).

They are trying to make this into a bigger issue than it really is. Sony will release a firmware upgrade in the near future and this will be over quickly.

By they, you mean the reviewer at HighDefDigest.com? If what you're saying is true, then write to them. Be factual. Provide facts and links, if possible, pointing them to their errors. It'll help others since more people read stuff like that, since its Google-able, than forums.


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[Livinlarge]

I have a Sony 55" 1080i TV. I have read about the 1080i problem, but my question is does it effect the blu-ray movies played on it or just the games. I can live with the games at a lower resolution, but I want to makes sure I can watch my blu-ray movies at 1080i. ????Confused????

[phloyd]

You should have not problems watching movies at 1080i. It is the games with max 720p output that have the issues.

The movies are 1080 native so they are fine.

[mainman]

Doesnt anybody have both of them? The add-on and the PS3 I mean.

What do they think is better?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

Not to mention that a firmware fix is on the way to help PS3 buyers who have native 1080i sets that suffer the 720p downscale (like in Resistance).

With rumors stating that it would come before the year ends.

But a developer on AVS says this is not possible. The game software itself is likely resetting the resolution. If Sony changed it (with a system patch), the game would detect the change and switch back.

There is a hardware scaler in the PS/3, but Sony has so far not allowed developers access to it. At this point, the game maker would need to use a software scaler, and patch the game.

So, while overall Sony should be blamed for delivering a limitted system. Some blame for this issue rests with the game makers who should have realized the limitation going 720p was foisting upon the public.

Gary

[shido]

I think people are confusing two separate problems with the PS3. The first is the one everybody has mentioned above - games that render only in 720p will downconvert to 480p on HDTV sets which don't accept a 720p input. However, the second problem is the PS3's inability to display Blu-ray at 720p - it'll send the signal as 1080i instead. This is bad, as native 720p sets may take the 1080i signal and display it at 540p. As far as I know, Sony hasn't mentioned anything about this issue yet. Though, unlike the game upscaling issue, I think this one can be easily fixed via a firmware update. We all know that Cell itself is doing the decoding of Blu-ray on its own, so it should be relatively simple for Sony to fix.

[iceman]

highdefdigest.com have been HD-DVD biased for a long time...

Originally Posted by 56@Yamamoto

Again, they are going to try intentionally misleading.

" If you don't have 1080p capable set, PS3 is useless!!"

I feel sick.. Someone will correct this claim and point if you have 720p/1080i capable set (almost of HDTV set), there is no problem?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by shido

I think people are confusing two separate problems with the PS3. The first is the one everybody has mentioned above - games that render only in 720p will downconvert to 480p on HDTV sets which don't accept a 720p input. However, the second problem is the PS3's inability to display Blu-ray at 720p - it'll send the signal as 1080i instead. This is bad, as native 720p sets may take the 1080i signal and display it at 540p. As far as I know, Sony hasn't mentioned anything about this issue yet. Though, unlike the game upscaling issue, I think this one can be easily fixed via a firmware update. We all know that Cell itself is doing the decoding of Blu-ray on its own, so it should be relatively simple for Sony to fix.

The former problem effects many people wanting to play some HD games in HD, a key feature of the PS/3. The latter is about demanding the PS/3 do a better job downconverting to 720p than a 720p display, which is is not a key feature of BD movies or the PS/3.

Is the HD-A1 still as bad at it as it was at launch?

It now sounds like both these PS/3 conversion issues need to be addressed by the software author. So, for the downconversion of movies to 720p, that would be Sony's responsibility.

Gary