Enter the dragon PQ problems - Blu-ray Forum

dseb1985 · 02-16-2008, 03:47 PM

i notice that that theres white fuzzy dots ( dont know the tech term) i was wondering is it because the movies really old or just another crappy warner transfer ??

Blu-ray Fanatic · 02-16-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dseb1985

i notice that that theres white fuzzy dots ( dont know the tech term) i was wondering is it because the movies really old or just another crappy warner transfer ??

I got the same thing with fuzzy dots. From what I'm thinking, this movie is older than dust and there was no possible way on making it perfect. Enter The Dragon was made back when laser disc was around has been transferred many times to a higher format and wears out over time

Maxphoenix · 02-16-2008, 04:39 PM

those dots are there in the hd dvd version as well i think the movie is as good as it is gonna get

NutsAboutPS3 · 02-16-2008, 05:08 PM

Some of the problems with this movie look to me like filtering that has been applied during the encoding process; temporal smoothing, dynamic noise reduction, whatever you want to call it, but you can see the grain partially frozen from frame to frame rather than being random each frame. I'm sure they could do a much better version of this movie if it were released on Blu-ray at a higher bitrate without the filtering (rather than the current version which is basically an HD DVD encode slapped onto a Blu-ray disc).

Clark Kent · 02-17-2008, 01:30 AM

This was an early effort by Warner that just doesn't hold up to newer releases. Like the first Full Metal Jacket release and several other early Warner releases, it is sourced from a 1080i master(technically it is a bobbed and weaved source). I imagine that it will look much better when Warner reissues this title in the future.

Marcusarilius · 02-17-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dseb1985

i notice that that theres white fuzzy dots ( dont know the tech term) i was wondering is it because the movies really old or just another crappy warner transfer ??

Normally, we just call them White Fuzzy Dots. Did Warner add those black bars to this title too?

"Screen Pops", maybe a lame transfer. What was good enough for DUD sure aint good enough for blu.

Hollywood81 · 02-17-2008, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcusarilius

Normally, we just call them White Fuzzy Dots. Did Warner add those black bars to this title too?

"Screen Pops", maybe a lame transfer. What was good enough for DUD sure aint good enough for blu.

Your "blackbar" joke is getting kinda old! Im glad Im not the only one anyway. LOL

The Don · 02-17-2008, 02:15 AM

is there something wrong with my TV?...I get black bars on the top and bottom of this movie and my HDTV is already a widescreen TV!

they are wasting potential picture potential...

Sky_Captain · 02-17-2008, 04:25 AM

I personally thought that it looked like DNR'd sh*t. One of my friends is a big fan of this movie, he was also unhappy with Warner's presentation. Checking the reviews for this disc shows practically no negative views on the PQ, when it's quite clearly a crap job. Anyone else find it not up to snuff?

diamondfoxxx · 02-17-2008, 04:44 AM

I thought the technical term was 'sparklies'?--or were you being sarcastic with the whole 'we just call it white fuzzy dots?'

dseb1985 · 02-17-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondfoxxx

I thought the technical term was 'sparklies'?--or were you being sarcastic with the whole 'we just call it white fuzzy dots?'

common there has to be a term for it,theres a term for everything

kdo · 03-17-2010, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

I personally thought that it looked like DNR'd sh*t. One of my friends is a big fan of this movie, he was also unhappy with Warner's presentation. Checking the reviews for this disc shows practically no negative views on the PQ, when it's quite clearly a crap job. Anyone else find it not up to snuff?

I too saw some instances of what appeared to be heavy DNR in this transfer, especially in the earlier scenes, which wasn't at all evident on the first dvd release (the 25th anniversary edition). However, that particular dvd transfer had horrible print damage, artifacting, and color issues, which is why I think they re-released it. Considering the package Warner put together on this current release, I'd be shocked to see them re-release it again with a new transfer, though I agree the film probably could look better.

HumanMedia · 03-17-2010, 03:56 AM

Has anyone compared it to the Hong Kong release (non-Warner) which was from a different master?

#Darren · 03-17-2010, 03:59 AM

Resolution on this disk is 960x1080.

RiseDarthVader · 03-17-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kdo

I too saw some instances of what appeared to be heavy DNR in this transfer, especially in the earlier scenes, which wasn't at all evident on the first dvd release (the 25th anniversary edition). However, that particular dvd transfer had horrible print damage, artifacting, and color issues, which is why I think they re-released it. Considering the package Warner put together on this current release, I'd be shocked to see them re-release it again with a new transfer, though I agree the film probably could look better.

I don't think the guy that posted what your replying to is going to receive it after 2 years.

#Darren · 03-17-2010, 12:15 PM

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I don't think the guy that posted what your replying to is going to receive it after 2 years.

Considering that he is a regular here and was logged on today he probaly will.

DetroitSportsFan · 03-17-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HumanMedia

Has anyone compared it to the Hong Kong release (non-Warner) which was from a different master?

People who have seen both say it's about the same as the WB release. I believe it doesn't include the original soundtrack either.

kdo · 03-17-2010, 08:08 PM

Sadly, especially considering how saturated this title already is in the market with all the prior dvd releases, it's probably as good as we're likely to get it.

RiseDarthVader · 03-18-2010, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by iDarren

Considering that he is a regular here and was logged on today he probaly will.

He probably wouldn't care after 2 years.

shesha · 05-28-2011, 10:27 PM

I bought this movie as it has been a long time since I last watched it.
My gid it's a DNR nightmare. They really need to remaster this classic.

02-16-2008, 03:47 PM	#1
dseb1985 Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:5	Enter the dragon PQ problems i notice that that theres white fuzzy dots ( dont know the tech term) i was wondering is it because the movies really old or just another crappy warner transfer ??

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02-16-2008, 04:39 PM	#3
Maxphoenix Junior Member Member since:Feb 2008	those dots are there in the hd dvd version as well i think the movie is as good as it is gonna get

02-16-2008, 05:08 PM	#4
NutsAboutPS3 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:UK Blu-ray reviews:1	Some of the problems with this movie look to me like filtering that has been applied during the encoding process; temporal smoothing, dynamic noise reduction, whatever you want to call it, but you can see the grain partially frozen from frame to frame rather than being random each frame. I'm sure they could do a much better version of this movie if it were released on Blu-ray at a higher bitrate without the filtering (rather than the current version which is basically an HD DVD encode slapped onto a Blu-ray disc).

02-17-2008, 01:30 AM	#5
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	This was an early effort by Warner that just doesn't hold up to newer releases. Like the first Full Metal Jacket release and several other early Warner releases, it is sourced from a 1080i master(technically it is a bobbed and weaved source). I imagine that it will look much better when Warner reissues this title in the future.

02-17-2008, 02:15 AM	#8
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	is there something wrong with my TV?...I get black bars on the top and bottom of this movie and my HDTV is already a widescreen TV! they are wasting potential picture potential...

02-17-2008, 04:25 AM	#9
Sky_Captain Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:17	I personally thought that it looked like DNR'd sh*t. One of my friends is a big fan of this movie, he was also unhappy with Warner's presentation. Checking the reviews for this disc shows practically no negative views on the PQ, when it's quite clearly a crap job. Anyone else find it not up to snuff?

02-17-2008, 04:44 AM	#10
diamondfoxxx Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:San Francisco Blu-ray collection:45 Blu-ray reviews: 36	I thought the technical term was 'sparklies'?--or were you being sarcastic with the whole 'we just call it white fuzzy dots?'

03-17-2010, 03:56 AM	#13
HumanMedia Special Member Member since:Jun 2007	Has anyone compared it to the Hong Kong release (non-Warner) which was from a different master?

03-17-2010, 03:59 AM	#14
#Darren Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 Blu-ray collection:1471 Blu-ray reviews: 62	Resolution on this disk is 960x1080.

03-17-2010, 08:08 PM	#18
kdo Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Realm of the Inoperative Data-Pushers Blu-ray reviews:540 Trading Score:1	Sadly, especially considering how saturated this title already is in the market with all the prior dvd releases, it's probably as good as we're likely to get it.

05-28-2011, 10:27 PM	#20
shesha Active Member Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Los Angeles, California Baby!!	I bought this movie as it has been a long time since I last watched it. My gid it's a DNR nightmare. They really need to remaster this classic.

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