Xbox 360 having a great December

[dialog_gvf]

Since we have no reason not to trust the numbers on www.vgcharts.org, December numbers (so far) would be (approximately):

Americas: 1.2 million
Other: 800K

The Europe numbers are particularly impressive considering how poor European sales were up to now.

And the Wii is rocking. But it probably doesn't have legs past the holidays.

Gary

[Blubaru]

They are selling as many PS3s as they can make. I'm almost certain the the PS3 will beat out all competitiors next year but im sure that Microsoft will still retain the lead. I'm sure the wii will sell well so long as they can get that free internet service up and running.

[blitz6speed]

If MS did get those kinds of #s for december, then im shocked and i aplaud them for a job well done. November for the 360 was bleak at only 720k systems, but thats a huge bounce for them. If they actually did a price drop, then they would have REALLY moved some systems.

I do love my 360, but its not for the mainstreem, its really a system for the hardcore community.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Blubaru

They are selling as many PS3s as they can make. I almost certain the the PS3 will beat out all competitiors next year but im sure that Microsoft will still retain the lead. I'm sure the wii will sell well so long as they can get that free internet service up and running.

I agree. The nonsense out there that the PS/3 is selling poorly, when it still has supply constraints is truelly rediculous considering NOBODY was saying that last year for the Xbox 360. It was all "shortages" then.

The point of my post was that the Xbox 360 has managed to move from total disaster (it was behind the original Xbox) to being redeemed somewhat.

But, the prediction was 10 million sold by the end of year. And 20+% short is rather poor.

Gary

[partridge]

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01...ole_sales_npd/

[JTK]

The 360 is doing very well for a system that was out a year ahead of everyone else.

Obviously you're going to see that hyperboled (is that a real word? ) and spun way out of proportion by the usual suspects.

Let's see where everyone is at in another year or so.

I like what I've seen a lot of gaming editorials say: You really don't know anything about a platform until it reaches the 10 million mark anways.

This race has just started. Remember: Tortoise vs. hare.

[dialog_gvf]

The Wii is fast approaching 1/2 the sales of the Xbox 360. And its only been out for seven weeks. And it's still selling out. The Wii will probably have a good January (Xmas money being spent) and then tail-off rapidly until next Xmas.

This is where the Xbox 360 had to make its move to dominate. But, really all it did was rise from total disaster outside the Americas (still so in Japan) to mild disappointment status.

It had a good season, but not a take the market away season. It will not make the 10 million predicted, except for shipments. And there will be massive stock to liquidate going forward (needs to be gone before they introduce a revision).

The PS/3 now has the Europe launch as the next big milestone.

Gary

[PeterTHX]

The 360 also more than likely sold a lot of units because they couldn't get a PS3...Christmas time parents will get what they can.

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The 360 also more than likely sold a lot of units because they couldn't get a PS3...Christmas time parents will get what they can.

My thoughts exactly. See also: Wii

I've spoken to one of my college mates who's generally unbiased when it comes to electrical matters (not fussed about HD movie discs one way or another yet) and he was insistent that the PS3 would basically wipe the floor with the competition when its released in sufficient numbers.

Yeah its a ludicrously insignificant sample, but that was me reporting the "buzz on the streets" here in the UK.

[jorg]

Blubaru
ps3 wont catch up to 360 at the rate there selling untill 2010 that what some reserch analysict group said

[theknub]

jorg, have a link?

and correct, sony can't put them out fast enough. so, the rate is too slow. wait until production is completely ramped up then they'll catch them sooner than later

[Maximus]

Sony will definitely catch up worldwide, Japan and EU nations are too big to ignore, they make up more sales for the PS2 than NA. EU alone has a bigger population than NA and the PS2 sold 45m PS2s there by conservative estimates.

EU is a different story compared to NA as €499, £425 for the 60GB PS3 and €429, £349 for the 20GB is not that badly priced when compared to the last round of console releases, PS2 was £299 on release day, X360 is still £279 and that doesn't include the HD DVD player which is another £129. The X360 is only suited to the NA market and so it sells well there, but in EU FPS is not the be all and end all in gaming, RPG is.

In Japan PS3 has already outsold the X360, but that wasn't going to be very difficult. We also have to take into account that the average JPN consumer has more money to spend compared to his NA/EU counterpart so the 69kY ($600/£300) is not all that bad. Also JPN loyalty to Sony is another thing that is unmeasurable and their hostility to MS which continues to be the bane of the X360.

By the time that the PS3 reaches EU all of the kinks in the supply chain/feature set/BD playback will have been sorted so there won't even be any of the *****ing by the online press about how shit the PS3 is compared to the X360 like than which was seen in NA. I think that half of the reason than people are put off buying the PS3 in NA is MS FUD spread about the system, some people think that because it has a BD drive it wont read regular old DVDs. It has to be said that in EU we still take MS FUD with a large sack of salt, mostly because it is an American company (not me being anti-US, but the EU at large is), but either way their FUD doesn't wash here like it does in the US.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

By the time that the PS3 reaches EU all of the kinks in the supply chain/feature set/BD playback will have been sorted so there won't even be any of the *****ing by the online press about how shit the PS3 is compared to the X360 like than which was seen in NA. I think that half of the reason than people are put off buying the PS3 in NA is MS FUD spread about the system, some people think that because it has a BD drive it wont read regular old DVDs. It has to be said that in EU we still take MS FUD with a large sack of salt, mostly because it is an American company (not me being anti-US, but the EU at large is), but either way their FUD doesn't wash here like it does in the US.

They already have, you can actually catch the consoles on BestBuy.com and Amazon.com for the PS3.

I believe the 100k/week shipment state has begun, so the EU launch should actually have units in excess [like say, the PSP did...].

The big thing in the US, is the large price sticker, and it's a 2nd comer in the 'current generation' consoles, so the lack of launch titles and refinement hit it harder. And as odd as it sounsd, it's competing against the Wii, at a very different price point, and it's hurting since there -alot- of positive buzz for the Wii now. {Personal Opinion / Rant comment that may upset folks following} It's starting to look like Nintendo may have finally pulled themselves out of the hole they dug with the N64/SNES Playstation debacle in the first place.

[dialog_gvf]

Three curves to keep an eye on, based on units sales after months launched:

PS/3 to PS/2: I believe the PS/3 is actually slightly ahead

Xbox 360 to Xbox: Until December, the Xbox 360 was actually BEHIND

PS/3 to Xbox 360: The PS/3 has sold >2x the Xbox 360 had at the same point.

But, like HD discs is all about the movies, the gaming will be all about the games. With over 100 titles out on Xbox 360, how many have been loyalty busting?

One look at Grand Turismo HD pretty much would seal the fate of all those PS/2 owners, I would think.

Gary

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by reiella

They already have, you can actually catch the consoles on BestBuy.com and Amazon.com for the PS3.

I believe the 100k/week shipment state has begun, so the EU launch should actually have units in excess [like say, the PSP did...].

The big thing in the US, is the large price sticker, and it's a 2nd comer in the 'current generation' consoles, so the lack of launch titles and refinement hit it harder. And as odd as it sounsd, it's competing against the Wii, at a very different price point, and it's hurting since there -alot- of positive buzz for the Wii now. {Personal Opinion / Rant comment that may upset folks following} It's starting to look like Nintendo may have finally pulled themselves out of the hole they dug with the N64/SNES Playstation debacle in the first place.

I think that Sony will need about 300k/wk production, 100k to JPN, 100k to NA and keep 100k to build stock for EU, and the PSP did have a good stock level, but I went to all Game/EB stores trying to find one and only got one 2 months after launch, that is how popular the PSP is and generally the Playstation Brand.

I feel that the PS3 is competing with the Wii more than it is competing with the X360, from what I hear people will look for a PS3 or a Wii and generally find only one so it is not a problem yet, but when both are available in large quantities there will be a problem for Sony unless they can find a way to finance a price cut.

The N64 was an amazing console backed up by some awesome games, Zelda/Goldeneye FTW!!!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Three curves to keep an eye on, based on units sales after months launched:

PS/3 to PS/2: I believe the PS/3 is actually slightly ahead

Xbox 360 to Xbox: Until December, the Xbox 360 was actually BEHIND

PS/3 to Xbox 360: The PS/3 has sold >2x the Xbox 360 had at the same point.

But, like HD discs is all about the movies, the gaming will be all about the games. With over 100 titles out on Xbox 360, how many have been loyalty busting?

One look at Grand Turismo HD pretty much would seal the fate of all those PS/2 owners, I would think.

Gary

Tbh, I don't think that people are very loyal, a lot have more than one console, I have the Wii and X360 (which I am getting rid of to fund the Wii purchase, credit cards don't pay themselves ) but I will still buy a PS3. Xbox fans are definitely the most loyal fans I have ever seen though, I know one guy who won't even acknowledge the existence of the PS3 until he sees one for himself .

[reiella]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I think that Sony will need about 300k/wk production, 100k to JPN, 100k to NA and keep 100k to build stock for EU, and the PSP did have a good stock level, but I went to all Game/EB stores trying to find one and only got one 2 months after launch, that is how popular the PSP is and generally the Playstation Brand.

I feel that the PS3 is competing with the Wii more than it is competing with the X360, from what I hear people will look for a PS3 or a Wii and generally find only one so it is not a problem yet, but when both are available in large quantities there will be a problem for Sony unless they can find a way to finance a price cut.

The N64 was an amazing console backed up by some awesome games, Zelda/Goldeneye FTW!!!

Strange, must be difference in locality.

The PSP was overstocked, horrendously, all around my area. The store I worked at the time had >20 units that sat there for 2 monthes.

That said, it was a better move, they started shipping the bare-kit after 2 monthes, so you didn't have to spend money on a silly memory stick that wasn't too good.

Anyway, the EU launch has some nice potential to be the only solid launch for the PS3 due to most of the fabrication and supply issues being worked out.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by reiella

Strange, must be difference in locality.

The PSP was overstocked, horrendously, all around my area. The store I worked at the time had >20 units that sat there for 2 monthes.

That said, it was a better move, they started shipping the bare-kit after 2 monthes, so you didn't have to spend money on a silly memory stick that wasn't too good.

Anyway, the EU launch has some nice potential to be the only solid launch for the PS3 due to most of the fabrication and supply issues being worked out.

I live in London, and a part (suburbia) that doesn't have many game shops but many gamers and young children so it took a while for normal stock levels.

Hopefully we won't see the debacle that we saw for the PS2, but at least it won't be cold and I can get door deliveries for the PS3, mmm Game home delivery.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I live in London, and a part (suburbia) that doesn't have many game shops but many gamers and young children so it took a while for normal stock levels.

Hopefully we won't see the debacle that we saw for the PS2, but at least it won't be cold and I can get door deliveries for the PS3, mmm Game home delivery.

Hehe quite.

I'll admit, honestly, I wasn't as much in the 'know' about the global launch for the PSP. I do know that the US was seriously overstocked. I'm in an odd part of the US though in regards to population center though . [clarified : In Texas, about 3-4 hours from the nearest metro, but 100k people in a university/military base town]