Laser TV's for Our Blu-ray players

[Dirty Bubble]

Well, it looks like a couple of Blu-ray members, Samsung & Mitsubishi, are coming out with Laser TV's in late 2007/early 2008 to complement the perfection that is Blu-ray. Ironically, there will be a competing technology coming out around the same time, SED (Surface-conduction Electron-emitter Display), backed by none other than, yeah, you guessed it, Toshiba (BOOOO!!).

This link takes you to a related article with a picture of a Laser TV that has a "Blu" bottom border, perfect! http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8010.cfm

[Jeff®]

Originally Posted by Dirty Bubble

Well, it looks like a couple of Blu-ray members, Samsung & Mitsubishi, are coming out with Laser TV's in late 2007/early 2008 to complement the perfection that is Blu-ray. Ironically, there will be a competing technology coming out around the same time, SED (Surface-conduction Electron-emitter Display), backed by none other than, yeah, you guessed it, Toshiba (BOOOO!!).

This link takes you to a related article with a picture of a Laser TV that has a "Blu" bottom border, perfect! http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8010.cfm

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=2980

Laser TV predicted to be death of plasma

http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/83697

Toshiba says goodbye to SED TVs

[Zinn]

Laser TV is just a glorified bakprojektion tv.

OLED tvs are the future, alltho it will be like 5 to 10 years...

[GasCat]

It didn't read that way to me Zinn. We'll see how much of this is hype.

Prices expected to be below $1,000 U.S.
Novalux chief exec. Jean-Michel Pelaprat boldly predicted that while LCD TVs would come to dominate the market below 40 inches, an end is in sight for the plasma televison. "If you look at any screen today, the colour content is roughly about 30-35 per cent of what the eye can see," he said. "But for the very first time with a laser TV we'll be able to see 90 per cent of what the eye can see.

"All of a sudden what you see is a lifelike image on display. Combine that with energy efficiency, price advantage and the fact that the laser TVs will be half the weight and depth of plasma TVS, and," Mr Pelaprat says "plasma is now something of the past."

[Blackraven]

If do hope that Laser TVs would be lighter in weight than current DLP sets (SXRD, HD-ILA, LED-powered DLP, etc.).

But IMHO....

OLED TVs WILL be the future to replace ALL current display technology (including the CRT). Nothing will stop its introduction into the flat-panel HDTV market before 2010 (and heck, to be more precise, it will even arrive as early as next year)







Samsung SDI and Sony will release their first OLED HDTV sets by early next year.

Wahoo

[JTK]

Damn, I want what I see in those pictures very, very badly.

Obviously this hotness is in its infancy, but I certainly have high hopes for it.

I certainly will want/need to see OLEDs in person at the earliest oppurtunity.

Who's putting 'em out? Samsung and Sony for now?

[phloyd]

There were a couple of interesting things about OLED to consider.

One was that you could not get near the 27" screen - you can see in the pictures that the big one is set back quite a ways so you could not look at it closely.

That said the contrasts on it looked nice.

The second concern has to be lifetime, which is the concern with any 'organic' component.

[Nismobeach]

That looks amazing. I just read on wikipedia that Kodak is the one who currently owns the patent on OLEDs and Sony had to get their permission to show off the displays at CES. I

[Iceman_II]

Exactly Phloyd... using OLEDs would build in planned obscelence (or at least planned replacement) even more so than with a plasma... at least with a plasma you can be careful, and not burn in images etc... but with OLEDs, organic compounds WILL have a limited lifetime.

[Zinn]

Originally Posted by GasCat

It didn't read that way to me Zinn.

As you know, one can't project a laserbeam directley to the human eye (obviously) for a long period of time without longterm damage. So you will need to project it to a surface. So maybe this can be used in front projectors.

Originally Posted by phloyd

There were a couple of interesting things about OLED to consider.

One was that you could not get near the 27" screen - you can see in the pictures that the big one is set back quite a ways so you could not look at it closely.

That said the contrasts on it looked nice.

The second concern has to be lifetime, which is the concern with any 'organic' component.

Because they can't build larger than 27" today and because the technology just ain't ready for massmarket introduction as for tv's.

Robert Heron from PC-Mag said that the 27" OLED screen looked BETTER than the 55" SED display.

[Dirty Bubble]

I read a really well written article from a video display blog that briefly mentions all of the display technologies from the past, to the present, and into the future. Its focus was on Laser TV's, though, and how lasers are better than current display technologies for front/rear projection systems, and about how Novalux is going to be making the production of Laser TV's more cost feasible.

http://displayblog.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/laser-tv/

[jorg]

Originally Posted by phloyd

There were a couple of interesting things about OLED to consider.

One was that you could not get near the 27" screen - you can see in the pictures that the big one is set back quite a ways so you could not look at it closely.

That said the contrasts on it looked nice.

The second concern has to be lifetime, which is the concern with any 'organic' component.

sammy two years ago built and an hd oled tv that that 42 inchs
oled tvs right know have around a life span of 40 thousand house thanks to the stupid blu diods but just alst year the max life was 10 thousand so it will probley in cress in 2 years, also oled can be printed on plastics with means

1.you can bend them with out breaking
2. light
3.cheap(at lest untill there mass produced)

and 4. this is way off topic!

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Zinn

As you know, one can't project a laserbeam directley to the human eye (obviously) for a long period of time without longterm damage. So you will need to project it to a surface. So maybe this can be used in front projectors.

It could be used in rear projector too with careful design of the screen. The laser beam would strike the screen from behind and the screen material diffuse it, just like a normal wall screen diffuses the beam hitting it before it bounces the light back to you.




More stuff about transmission

[marzetta7]

Awesome thread. I'm curious, anyone have any links on Laser TVs as to its different specs? Contrast ratio? How much we could get these sets for when they are released this year or next? Etc.

This is just very intriguing. Moreover, what benefits would Laster TV have over lets say OLEDs or SEDs.

I want to make sure I get the perfect TV.

[Deciazulado]

Well just thinking in general how laser light works, it should have a high MTF (perfectly focused beams?) high color saturation (monochromatic rgb wavelengths?) and high contrast ratios (turning on off the laserbeam pulses?) so if it's made to work... the look and sound of perfect?

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by phloyd

There were a couple of interesting things about OLED to consider.

One was that you could not get near the 27" screen - you can see in the pictures that the big one is set back quite a ways so you could not look at it closely.

That said the contrasts on it looked nice.

The second concern has to be lifetime, which is the concern with any 'organic' component.

Check out the OLED Technology advancements thread at AVS forum.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=681125

As of November 2006, Cambridge Display Technologies (CDT) said that they have increased blue OLED lifetime to 25,000 hours at 100 cd/m2 (or 400,000 hours lifetime @ 100 candela brightness per square meter)

Since the trend shows that the lifespan increases at the labs every two months, then we can reach the 60,000 hour mark in exactly one year (using 400 cd/m2 brightness figure).

Red and green OLEDs have passed the 100k mark before 2000 ended so everything's perfect there.

To sum it all up....
Once we get the blue OLEDs to the 60k mark, there is NO STOPPING OLED TVs.

Downsides of other display tech:
1)Plasma
-green phosphor lag, burn-in not 100% eliminated, nasty power consumption, viewing angle is only at 160 degrees
2) LCD
-blacks are not yet of CRT or Plasma quality, motion has improved the sluggish 8ms response time but still not enough for some avid gamers, wide angle of 178 degrees DOES NOT allow totally viewing from anything farther than it.
3)Rear projection (DLP, SXRD, HD-ILA, etc.)
-space eater and weight remains a problem still. Only average when compared to other display tech
4) Front projection
-meant for the moviehouse; projectors are old-school tech from the 70s
5) CRT
-Still the best in PQ but is fat and has huge dimensions. Flat panel is cannibalizing it. HD for CRT sets are RARE.
6) SED
Delays have pushed production to 2008 at EARLIEST. First-gen units would only have 100,000:1 CR and the best response time would only be at 1 ms. Toshiba is a crappy TV manufacturer so credibility is trashed.

and as for OLED right now, there is only one disadvantage....which is the Blue OLED bulbs.

Other than that, everything else IS PERFECT.

Starting next year, OLED will take over. OLED will take on the stage in HDTV display technology. All other techs will "bow-down" before it.

OLED is the future of display technology and no one can stop it

[blitz6speed]

How about a laser projector? You kiddies can have your TV's!

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

How about a laser projector? You kiddies can have your TV's!

Nope, the front projector is an aging tech for the home AV market. Flat-panel all the way baby.

Although I do admit that I do want to see these "Laser TVs" and see how these would look like in production.

If these Laser TVs can be implemented as flat panel (and not through bulky Rear Projection TV housings), then I think that this tech would also be a welcome to go along with OLED tech.

Like the Sony SXRD TV with Laser is a Flat Panel TV. If Laser TV continues through the "Flat Panel" route, then it will achieve success.

[DavePS3]

By the diagrams above, I'll be very interested to see if there's a "Hot-spot" in the middle. I would imagine that the material used for difusing the light would be VERY important for that reason alone. I still run a Loewe CRT because it's simply the best picture I can find so far, including Plasma and LCD. The two look great on true HD broadcasts, that is, material actually shot in HD since most CRT's have terrible convergence in the corners and limited color-shade ability. However, almost everyone I know in the gaming industry still uses CRT computer monitors when working on material as LCDs handling of blacks and fast motion is not quite up to speed.

That said, since a regular CRT television cannot display 720p or 1080p because the yokes overheat, at some point, I will be upgrading to better technology - if it is indeed better. My 1080i looks as good and in some cases better than the 1080p I've seen on a plasma running HD-DVD. If I find a display that looks better than the one I own now, I'll buy it in a heart beat. For me, bigger hasn't been better so far. I'd rather have a smaller display that looks incredible than a huge display that looks mediocre... but that's just my preferance. I'm real interested in new technology and when better's available, I'll get it as long as it's bigger than 29"

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

By the diagrams above, I'll be very interested to see if there's a "Hot-spot" in the middle. I would imagine that the material used for difusing the light would be VERY important for that reason alone. I still run a Loewe CRT because it's simply the best picture I can find so far, including Plasma and LCD. The two look great on true HD broadcasts, that is, material actually shot in HD since most CRT's have terrible convergence in the corners and limited color-shade ability. However, almost everyone I know in the gaming industry still uses CRT computer monitors when working on material as LCDs handling of blacks and fast motion is not quite up to speed.

That said, since a regular CRT television cannot display 720p or 1080p because the yokes overheat, at some point, I will be upgrading to better technology - if it is indeed better. My 1080i looks as good and in some cases better than the 1080p I've seen on a plasma running HD-DVD. If I find a display that looks better than the one I own now, I'll buy it in a heart beat. For me, bigger hasn't been better so far. I'd rather have a smaller display that looks incredible than a huge display that looks mediocre... but that's just my preferance. I'm real interested in new technology and when better's available, I'll get it as long as it's bigger than 29"

A suggestion/recommendation for you...

If you are not in a hurry to get a flat panel yet, then I suggest that you wait for Sony (or Samsung SDI) to release their OLED sets next year. Since Sony has its 27 inch and Samsung SDI has their own 40 inch as prototypes, then OLED TVs will suit your needs

Just a recommendation and you have the choice to accept it or reject. All up to you

As for Laser TVs, just make sure that these are flat panel and not those fatass RPTVs on the market right now.

These are my only comments/suggestions for your quote.