DTS bistreamed, new chip needed for ps3 confirmed(video inside)

[saprano]

VP of dts says the ps3 needs a new HDMI chip in order to stream it to the receiver. but he says dts decoded in ps3 was sort of the point?( cant really understand him at that part, maby you guys can) so all you need is any HDMI reveiver to be sent out as pcm. though he says he doesn't know when sony will ungrade to the new chip. the question starts at 7:14, but he starts talking about the ps3 update at 6:12

http://uk.cinenow.com/videos/1518-dt...ves-us-details

so now we know its fact( I kinda knew already) that the ps3 needs a new chip, so no more questions about it.........its the samething anyway.

[blitz6speed]

Most of us have known the PS3 will never bitstream since 2006. It had HDMI 1.3 chipset, not HDMI 1.3a, which is required for bitstreaming. People disasembled the system hours after it came out in japan and confirmed the chip inside. The only people who kept talking about PS3 bitstreaming were HD DVD fanboys trying to deflect about how great the PS3 is.

[saprano]

yea i know, but there were still some people that thought it was possible, so this for them

[WriteSimply]

If and when SCE puts in the new HDMI chip, I think it'll be worth it to change the motherboard for US$150. I don't use the PS3 to play PS2 games anyway.


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[hatt]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

Most of us have known the PS3 will never bitstream since 2006. It had HDMI 1.3 chipset, not HDMI 1.3a, which is required for bitstreaming. People disasembled the system hours after it came out in japan and confirmed the chip inside. The only people who kept talking about PS3 bitstreaming were HD DVD fanboys trying to deflect about how great the PS3 is.

Where did you get this information?

For consumers, there is no difference between HDMI version 1.3 and 1.3a or 1.3b. These minor revisions to the specification typically relate to manufacturing or testing issues and do not impact features or functionality. In addition, HDMI Licensing, LLC is actively working with manufacturers to reduce confusion for consumers by de-emphasizing version numbers and focusing instead on product features and functionality.

New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.

http://www.hdmi.org/

[FilmMixer]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

Most of us have known the PS3 will never bitstream since 2006. It had HDMI 1.3 chipset, not HDMI 1.3a, which is required for bitstreaming.

blitz... 1.3a isn't required for bitstreaming Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD/MA..

1.3 would work just fine.

[bootman]

The PS3 uses the Silicon Image SiI9132 chip which can't bitstream.
Unlike the SiI9134 which can.

See page 10 of this PDF here.

It is a special part apparently made just for the PS3 since it is the only unit known that uses it since all other CE devices use the SiI9134.

Remember that the PS3 was one of the first HDMI 1.3 devices released.
My guess is that the 9132 was developed first just for Sony (maybe cheaper or developed before the bitstreaming spec was finalized?) and the 9134 later for other devices.

[CptGreedle]

With a good enough receiver, which let me say is not that high end, you can listen to any codec you want. as long as it takes PCM you are fine, cause the PS3 does the rest.
My Yamaha HTR-6090 is great, it gives a full 1080p experience with 7.1 surround. It can not decode TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, but the PS3 does so I can listen to any Blu-ray I want!

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

With a good enough receiver, which let me say is not that high end, you can listen to any codec you want. as long as it takes PCM you are fine, cause the PS3 does the rest.
My Yamaha HTR-6090 is great, it gives a full 1080p experience with 7.1 surround. It can not decode TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, but the PS3 does so I can listen to any Blu-ray I want!

Everyone should read this and apply.

Now if anyone care about bitstreaming a new player and receiver is needed.

So far i'm doing like you and i'm more than happy enjoying my blu-ray movies especially after PS3 get DTSHDMA decoding.

I'm really enjoying it and i'm not asking for anything else.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

With a good enough receiver, which let me say is not that high end, you can listen to any codec you want. as long as it takes PCM you are fine, cause the PS3 does the rest.
My Yamaha HTR-6090 is great, it gives a full 1080p experience with 7.1 surround. It can not decode TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, but the PS3 does so I can listen to any Blu-ray I want!

If it can apply 7.1 processing to 5.1 PCM sources (and any other surround mode processing you may want or need) then you are indeed good to go.

This really became a non issue when dts HD ma decoding became available on the PS3.
Those with older receivers with only analog multichannel inputs are still without HD audio if they have a PS3.

[kjack]

The chip passing the audio bitstream to the SiI9134 also has to provide specific timing and formating of the bitstream audio packets (unique for each audio codec) in order for bitstreaming to work.

[ganthc]

I'm not sure what the big deal about bitstreaming is anyways, except that your receiver has the words of the codec it's decoding on the little display. Personally, getting my lossless via PCM has been more than okay.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by ganthc

I'm not sure what the big deal about bitstreaming is anyways, except that your receiver has the words of the codec it's decoding on the little display. Personally, getting my lossless via PCM has been more than okay.

The potential for better sound.
Many here who have the ability to try both state that bitstreaming sounds better.

I can't personally comment since I have neither capability at the moment but my cumulative past audio experience tells me that dedicated components doing their respective specialized job usually deliver better overall sound.
Your mileage may vary of course.

[Clark Kent]

At least this has finally been acknowledged from some one in the know. We had already known this from reports of people deconstructing their PS3 and examining the chip. It wouldn't surprise me if Sony eventually upgrades a future model of the PS3 with a bitstream capable chip. We see Sony is not shy about making revisions to the PS3 architecture.

[jedi.master.dre]

Originally Posted by bootman

If it can apply 7.1 processing to 5.1 PCM sources (and any other surround mode processing you may want or need) then you are indeed good to go.

This really became a non issue when dts HD ma decoding became available on the PS3.
Those with older receivers with only analog multichannel inputs are still without HD audio if they have a PS3.

I have a HTR-6090 and a 60gb PS3. I don't think it can process/matrix a 5.1 PCM source into 7.1 surround. If anyone knows how I would love to be wrong on this one...

Sounds great despite that though...

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by jedi.master.dre

I have a HTR-6090 and a 60gb PS3. I don't think it can process/matrix a 5.1 PCM source into 7.1 surround. If anyone knows how I would love to be wrong on this one...

Sounds great despite that though...

You definitely can do that. I don't have that exact model, but my current model matrixes 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1, and my older unit matrixes from 5.1 to 6.1.

Dig around in your manual a bit. On my remote, there's a button titled "Ext Sur.", and it stands for extended surround formats. It will either trigger matrixing of 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1, or the full 7.1 channel information will play if it's present in the native soundtrack. Dig around in the Advanced Sound Configurations of your manual, and you'll find it.

By the way, I'm pretty sure there was a firmware upgrade released for the 6090. You might want to check with Yamaha's web site for more info if you haven't already.

[Lucy Diamond]

Originally Posted by bootman

The potential for better sound.
Many here who have the ability to try both state that bitstreaming sounds better.

I can't personally comment since I have neither capability at the moment but my cumulative past audio experience tells me that dedicated components doing their respective specialized job usually deliver better overall sound.
Your mileage may vary of course.

So far, I am playing my Dts-MA through the PS3 (not bitstreamed) and it's completely amazing. For it to be better, may just kill me.

All in good time though. We are just at the very beginning of all this beauty.

[Zaphod]

Interesting video, thanks saprano. Boy is he a horrible interviewee...

[saprano]

LOL yea, you hear the way he says DTS-HDMA? he sounds ............not that theres anything wrong with that

[jedi.master.dre]

Originally Posted by kingofgrills

You definitely can do that. I don't have that exact model, but my current model matrixes 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1, and my older unit matrixes from 5.1 to 6.1.

Dig around in your manual a bit. On my remote, there's a button titled "Ext Sur.", and it stands for extended surround formats. It will either trigger matrixing of 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1, or the full 7.1 channel information will play if it's present in the native soundtrack. Dig around in the Advanced Sound Configurations of your manual, and you'll find it.

By the way, I'm pretty sure there was a firmware upgrade released for the 6090. You might want to check with Yamaha's web site for more info if you haven't already.

The firmware updates are no available for download in Canada. We are supposed to send the unit to Yamaha (yeah, right!). I was sent the older update from a guy at AVS about a year ago. It is supposed to fix the audio dropout issue from cable boxes. Does it also add features for surround matrixing?

I was looking in my manual and I found a few things that may work. I will have to try them out this week.

Thanks for the information...