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Ex Accountant · 02-06-2007, 08:07 PM

I was really looking forward to seeing AVP in blu-ray. What a disappointment! Is it just me or does everyone think the transfer is terribly flawed? After seeing The Fantastic Four in blu-ray (which looked great!), I never would have suspected that blu-ray could have so much grain. Any other movies I should stay away from due to bad PQ?

JohnnyBluRay · 02-06-2007, 08:09 PM

Sry to hear about that. I was this close to buying it few weeks ago. Glad i did not.

dialog_gvf · 02-06-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ex Accountant

I was really looking forward to seeing AVP in blu-ray. What a disappointment! Is it just me or does everyone think the transfer is terribly flawed? After seeing The Fantastic Four in blu-ray (which looked great!), I never would have suspected that blu-ray could have so much grain. Any other movies I should stay away from due to bad PQ?

Is is grainy or bad PQ? They actually aren't the same thing.

Grain may be showing an inherent limitation in the underlying film, which the BD transfer could be 100% accurately reproducing.

It is a definite debate right now whether cleanup should be employed or not. It's really an argument to many on the similar level as OAR v. full-frame.

My position is that permission should be sought, and approval of the results obtained from directors or DPs for any grain cleanup.

It is very important that intent not be wiped out in the rush to give everyone HD video-like presentations.

Gary

DavePS3 · 02-06-2007, 08:24 PM

Hey, do you have a sharpness control on that particular input? If so, try reducing it. Panels are really supposed to be pass-thru's for HD (no processing) but if yours has a sharpness control, that would certainly do it. See if you have a noise reduction circuit as well.

NovaBomb · 02-06-2007, 08:30 PM

What resolution are you watching on??

KenThompson · 02-06-2007, 08:38 PM

I have this title and it looks razer sharp on my set up. Dark scenes can have just a touch of grain but if it looks bad then something is wrong with your setup

Heresy · 02-06-2007, 08:41 PM

I think it looks great; like Ken said some grain in darker scenes but nothing bad.

KenThompson · 02-06-2007, 09:00 PM

I've watched it 4 times already. Only got 17 titles so tend to watch them over and over again. Slow time of the year after Xmas so not to much money for movies right now.

JTK · 02-06-2007, 09:02 PM

Anyone besides the OP with exactly one post to his unknown screen name with no specifics (equipment, setup, etc.) watch this thing?

FWIW, I've been hearing mostly good things about the disc. I haven't yet had a chance to see it for myself.

Hmmmm....

JimPullan · 02-06-2007, 09:41 PM

I have the Sony KDSR70XBR2 displaying from the Sony BDP-S1 Blu-Ray Player and I purchased Alien vs Predator and after reading this post, I viewed it a second time, looking a little more critically. The presentation IMO is steller, nothing to complain about. The detail is there. I have the sharpness setting on the TV 'Off', Iris setting to '1', Video Noise Reduction set at 'medium', Contrast at 60%, and brightness at 45%. This has yielded amazing images. So, the person complaining about the DVD, may actually have the settings on the TV all screwed up.

Jim

HD4me · 02-06-2007, 09:54 PM

Well, I guess the picture quality matches the quality of the film. . .horrible.

Ex Accountant · 02-07-2007, 02:17 AM

Wow! You guys are fast! OK, I admit I am only seeing it on 1080I with an HDMI cable. I have a Sony Wega Trinitron 32" CRT TV. I don't know what the numbers are. Are they on the back or something? I knew there was a chance that when I said bad PQ that someone might scold me but I took a chance because I am unquestionably lazy. Please pardon my newbie lack of detail.

It is, in fact, the grain about which I am complaining. Would a movie maker purposefully allow annoying grain in scenes where the movie watcher would negatively question its presence? Perhaps. If there is a grain inherent in the source material, then I understand that a blu-ray transfer may very well retain that grain. But I still think it sucks. Or I should say, I still think it's unfortunate.

Some respondants noticed grain. Others said the picture was stellar. I will see about adjusting my set. Hopefully, that will help. It's just that, as I said in my original post, Fantastic Four looks, well, fantastic! As does Underworld: Evolution. AVP does not.

P.S. I now have 2 posts to my name. I hope that gives me more street cred.

Typhon · 02-07-2007, 02:31 AM

ok so does it look good or not !!! because i just read on another post /topic that it looks Great ...so whats the deal?...

HD4me · 02-07-2007, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Typhon

ok so does it look good or not !!! because i just read on another post /topic that it looks Great ...so whats the deal?...

Hello,

Welcome to reality, feel free to join our discussion about a movie, and please, calm down.

C6 Z06 · 02-07-2007, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Heresy

I think it looks great; like Ken said some grain in darker scenes but nothing bad.

I agree, it actually is a very good transfer. I guess it all depends on the equipment you are using. You get what you pay for!

nobody · 02-07-2007, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ex Accountant

I was really looking forward to seeing AVP in blu-ray. What a disappointment! Is it just me or does everyone think the transfer is terribly flawed? After seeing The Fantastic Four in blu-ray (which looked great!), I never would have suspected that blu-ray could have so much grain. Any other movies I should stay away from due to bad PQ?

I just saw it over the weekend, I love it! I thought the pq was great.

KenThompson · 02-07-2007, 04:30 AM

Chad at Home Theater Spot gave it 4.5 stars for picture quality and I repect his reviews. He is using top notch gear and a huge screen that would show all the little blemishes etc. A Sony SXRD projector on a 92 inch screen.

Ex Accountant · 02-07-2007, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by C6 Z06

I agree, it actually is a very good transfer. I guess it all depends on the equipment you are using. You get what you pay for!

OK. I agree with the idea that you get what you pay for. However, I have already noted that my system plays other blu-ray discs fine. Therefore, I think we would all agree that if a system displays 5 movies beautifully and 1 movie not so beautifully, the argument should stray from the "you get what you pay for" mentality and instead focus on the quality of the anomalous disc. I am willing to accept that the transfer of AVP is fine and instead submit that I must be focusing on what I consider to be to much unneeded grain in the source material. Perhaps I was expecting too much.

I still have to ask: Do you think, considering source material, blu-ray transfer and everything else you can think of, AVP looks as good as Fantastic Four and Underworld: Evolution? In other words, if you had to say which disc of the three looks best, would it really be AVP?

JimPullan · 02-07-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ex Accountant

I still have to ask: Do you think, considering source material, blu-ray transfer and everything else you can think of, AVP looks as good as Fantastic Four and Underworld: Evolution? In other words, if you had to say which disc of the three looks best, would it really be AVP?

IMO - For these dark kind of movies, and you want the best of the two to display to others, as your reference disc, go with Underworld: Evolution, not only are you getting a very fine presentation, you'll be watching Kate !!!

Jim

BLu-Balls · 02-07-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

Anyone besides the OP with exactly one post to his unknown screen name with no specifics (equipment, setup, etc.) watch this thing?

FWIW, I've been hearing mostly good things about the disc. I haven't yet had a chance to see it for myself.

Hmmmm....

I have this title as well and I thought the PQ was 4/5. The reflection off of the aliens were insane. Crisp picture. No complaints

02-06-2007, 08:07 PM	#1
Ex Accountant Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Trading Score:55	Alien Vs Predator Looks Horrible! I was really looking forward to seeing AVP in blu-ray. What a disappointment! Is it just me or does everyone think the transfer is terribly flawed? After seeing The Fantastic Four in blu-ray (which looked great!), I never would have suspected that blu-ray could have so much grain. Any other movies I should stay away from due to bad PQ?

02-07-2007, 02:17 AM	#12
Ex Accountant Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Trading Score:55	Wow! You guys are fast! OK, I admit I am only seeing it on 1080I with an HDMI cable. I have a Sony Wega Trinitron 32" CRT TV. I don't know what the numbers are. Are they on the back or something? I knew there was a chance that when I said bad PQ that someone might scold me but I took a chance because I am unquestionably lazy. Please pardon my newbie lack of detail. It is, in fact, the grain about which I am complaining. Would a movie maker purposefully allow annoying grain in scenes where the movie watcher would negatively question its presence? Perhaps. If there is a grain inherent in the source material, then I understand that a blu-ray transfer may very well retain that grain. But I still think it sucks. Or I should say, I still think it's unfortunate. Some respondants noticed grain. Others said the picture was stellar. I will see about adjusting my set. Hopefully, that will help. It's just that, as I said in my original post, Fantastic Four looks, well, fantastic! As does Underworld: Evolution. AVP does not. P.S. I now have 2 posts to my name. I hope that gives me more street cred. Last edited by Ex Accountant; 02-07-2007 at 02:22 AM.

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02-06-2007, 08:09 PM	#2
JohnnyBluRay Active Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Sunny Southern California	Sry to hear about that. I was this close to buying it few weeks ago. Glad i did not.

02-06-2007, 08:24 PM	#4
DavePS3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Toronto Home Theater Gallery:56 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Hey, do you have a sharpness control on that particular input? If so, try reducing it. Panels are really supposed to be pass-thru's for HD (no processing) but if yours has a sharpness control, that would certainly do it. See if you have a noise reduction circuit as well.

02-06-2007, 08:30 PM	#5
NovaBomb Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray collection:48	What resolution are you watching on??

02-06-2007, 08:38 PM	#6
KenThompson Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Location:B.C. Canada	I have this title and it looks razer sharp on my set up. Dark scenes can have just a touch of grain but if it looks bad then something is wrong with your setup

02-06-2007, 08:41 PM	#7
Heresy Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Frisco, TX	I think it looks great; like Ken said some grain in darker scenes but nothing bad.

02-06-2007, 09:00 PM	#8
KenThompson Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Location:B.C. Canada	I've watched it 4 times already. Only got 17 titles so tend to watch them over and over again. Slow time of the year after Xmas so not to much money for movies right now.

02-06-2007, 09:02 PM	#9
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	Anyone besides the OP with exactly one post to his unknown screen name with no specifics (equipment, setup, etc.) watch this thing? FWIW, I've been hearing mostly good things about the disc. I haven't yet had a chance to see it for myself. Hmmmm....

02-06-2007, 09:41 PM	#10
JimPullan Senior Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Ocala, FL	I have the Sony KDSR70XBR2 displaying from the Sony BDP-S1 Blu-Ray Player and I purchased Alien vs Predator and after reading this post, I viewed it a second time, looking a little more critically. The presentation IMO is steller, nothing to complain about. The detail is there. I have the sharpness setting on the TV 'Off', Iris setting to '1', Video Noise Reduction set at 'medium', Contrast at 60%, and brightness at 45%. This has yielded amazing images. So, the person complaining about the DVD, may actually have the settings on the TV all screwed up. Jim

02-06-2007, 09:54 PM	#11
HD4me Member Member since:Jan 2007	Well, I guess the picture quality matches the quality of the film. . .horrible.

02-07-2007, 02:31 AM	#13
Typhon Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:visalia, California	ok so does it look good or not !!! because i just read on another post /topic that it looks Great ...so whats the deal?...

02-07-2007, 04:30 AM	#17
KenThompson Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Location:B.C. Canada	Chad at Home Theater Spot gave it 4.5 stars for picture quality and I repect his reviews. He is using top notch gear and a huge screen that would show all the little blemishes etc. A Sony SXRD projector on a 92 inch screen.

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