Bitstream Pops On Harold & Kumar! - Blu-ray Forum

aqupunk · 07-30-2008, 04:58 PM

Ok watched Harold and Kumar 2 last night pretty funny, but got a total of 12 bitstream bombs on my onkyo reciever. Now I have never had this happen before, and it is fairly new onkyo 805 I bought it in April so i know about the firmware update. Anyone else watch it and experience this by bitstreaming the audio to your reciever?

ClaytonMG · 07-30-2008, 04:59 PM

You know about the firmware upgrade or you have the firmware upgrade installed?

sinister184 · 07-30-2008, 05:09 PM

what firmware do you have?

Woody · 07-30-2008, 05:12 PM

The "bomb" is corrected by a DSP update, not a FW update FYI.

Very helpful thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1016297

aqupunk · 07-30-2008, 05:18 PM

I dunno what firmware or dsp I'm running but like I said it is only 3 months old and its never done it on any disk before even ones that I read on the forum that had it.

jingoboy_78 · 07-30-2008, 05:25 PM

Well, may be you have to check the manufacture date.Might be a old stock so that you might have to do the DSP update.
I bought my 805 in March and still it has the DTSHDMA bomb..I use my ps3 to play the DTSHDMA discs..which is not a permanent solution.I am too lazy to update it

..anyways I guess its time now!

Woody · 07-30-2008, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aqupunk

I dunno what firmware or dsp I'm running but like I said it is only 3 months old and its never done it on any disk before even ones that I read on the forum that had it.

The thread I linked showed the corrected DSP numbers, and how to check them. It will literally take you 30 seconds to see what DSP you are running and see if you have the old one.

aqupunk · 07-30-2008, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

The thread I linked showed the corrected DSP numbers, and how to check them. It will literally take you 30 seconds to see what DSP you are running and see if you have the old one.

Cool when I get home I'm going to check thanks!! I will report back soon.

aqupunk · 07-30-2008, 07:24 PM

Just Read this on the Harold and Kumar 2 review....

Audio note: Users bitstreaming DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 to certain newer receivers--Denon, Integra, Onkyo, and Yamaha, among others--for decoding have reported occasional pops during playback. DTS supposedly informed the receiver manufacturers of this issue, and the manufacturers supposedly resolved it in current models, while offering upgrades to older product. In addition, the folks at DTS supposedly have provided studios with instructions on how to reproduce DTS-HD MA 7.1 audio to avoid the problem altogether, but apparently not all studios got the memo. Using an Onkyo 705 receiver, I found this particular disc made a small pop every time I took it out of "Pause." As I have not yet upgraded my receiver at the time of this writing, the work-around I used was to put the receiver in "Mute" for a moment just before returning it from "Pause." Maybe New Line had this BD already completed before they could implement DTS's instructions, I don't know. Just a caution.

fronn · 07-30-2008, 07:26 PM

I noticed this while watching it on netflix last night...

The difference was... I was using a PS3 and outputting PCM. There were definite noticeable bursts (repeatable too- ex:

[Show spoiler]

a "dts bomb" happened there at the same time every time) -- they weren't ridiculously loud, but louder than the rest of the sound.

I had never heard it before and I was surprised that even through PCM decoding on PS3 I still heard them.

I'm not sure if this is the normal DTS bomb, as it happened when PS3 software decoded the DTSHDMA stream even. Seems like they just flubbed the DTSHDMA encode.

Bruvydsb · 07-30-2008, 07:45 PM

My apologies in advance if this is a stupid question, but can the "DTS Bomb" cause any damage (i.e. speakers), or is it just an audio annoyance? Thanks.

jkwest · 07-30-2008, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruvydsb

My apologies in advance if this is a stupid question, but can the "DTS Bomb" cause any damage (i.e. speakers), or is it just an audio annoyance? Thanks.

oh yes...there have been reports of speakers popping because of the bomb.

MacDaddyOJack · 07-30-2008, 08:37 PM

There may have been reports, but the amp is only capable of so much. I would think, but I am in no way certain, that as long as the amp is not overkill for your speakers then you will probably be ok. I have had no problems with my gear after having a few DTS bombs.

SatinKzo · 07-31-2008, 12:07 AM

Get the pops on the PS3, but no popping on my S350 connected to my Onkyo 606. Btw, the PS3 pops are only there on the DTS-MA track

GreenMotion · 08-01-2008, 03:24 AM

I am watching Harold and Kumar 2 right now and am experiencing the pops as well.

Now, from what I understood, the original "bitstream-bomb" only happened when bitstreaming the DTS-HDMA audio-track to selected receivers, i.e Onkyo for which a DSP update was made available.

I only have a PS3, coupled to an Onkyo 805, so I cannot bitstream and only get PCM instead. I never got around in applying the DSP update; but due to PCM also never experienced this issue.

In this particular movie however, I AM hearing pops; even though it's PCM and not bitstreamed. So what's up with this?

fronn · 08-01-2008, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenMotion

I am watching Harold and Kumar 2 right now and am experiencing the pops as well.

Now, from what I understood, the original "bitstream-bomb" only happened when bitstreaming the DTS-HDMA audio-track to selected receivers, i.e Onkyo for which a DSP update was made available.

I only have a PS3, coupled to an Onkyo 805, so I cannot bitstream and only get PCM instead. I never got around in applying the DSP update; but due to PCM also never experienced this issue.

In this particular movie however, I AM hearing pops; even though it's PCM and not bitstreamed. So what's up with this?

Something with the track... it's not the same DTS bomb as before.

FilmMixer (over at AVS) said he was aware of it and looking into it.

aqupunk · 08-01-2008, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fronn

Something with the track... it's not the same DTS bomb as before.

FilmMixer (over at AVS) said he was aware of it and looking into it.

Well I'm glad it was a netflix rental for me not one I bought or I would be looking into an exchange.

HeavyHitter · 08-01-2008, 03:04 PM

It seems like DTS-MA has been nothing but problems....long delay to even hear it, pops, bombs, etc. Makes me just want to play the core from now on out. I don't want to risk my speakers getting damaged.

visual0ne · 08-01-2008, 03:28 PM

I also bought Harold and Kumar 2. I am using the PS3 decoders running PCM to my Onkyo and experienced the popping. Is this something wrong with the Onkyo, the PS3, or the BD itself? I am kind of confused. Also of note the popping stopped for me when I changed the PS3 audio output. I selected HDMI manual settings and unchecked all the 7.1 configurations and viola, the popping ceased. Just thought I would let you all know so you can still use the DTSMA output without risking speaker damage. I never noticed this on Shoot Em Up or any other New Line BD. Let me know if I need to upgrade my firmware on the Onkyo to get it to work properly, as the un-checking of my 7.1 outputs from my PS3 is hopefully just a temporary fix. Thanks!

krylonman · 08-01-2008, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by visual0ne

I selected HDMI manual settings and unchecked all the 7.1 configurations and viola, the popping ceased. Just thought I would let you all know so you can still use the DTSMA output without risking speaker damage.

This worked for me too, and I've got naught but a 5.1 setup anyhow, so for me all is well! Wheeee!

I grow increasingly disenchanted with DTS-HD MA, though, and it's kind of a bummer that it seems to be rising in popularity. I've had a couple of issues with those, but never a single problem with Dolby TrueHD.

07-30-2008, 04:58 PM	#1
aqupunk Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:54 Blu-ray collection:246 Trading Score:1	Bitstream Pops On Harold & Kumar! Ok watched Harold and Kumar 2 last night pretty funny, but got a total of 12 bitstream bombs on my onkyo reciever. Now I have never had this happen before, and it is fairly new onkyo 805 I bought it in April so i know about the firmware update. Anyone else watch it and experience this by bitstreaming the audio to your reciever?

07-30-2008, 05:09 PM	#3
sinister184 Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:FL, USA Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:52 Blu-ray collection:593 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:17	what firmware do you have? Last edited by sinister184; 07-30-2008 at 05:19 PM.

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ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:836 Blu-ray collection:2373 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	You know about the firmware upgrade or you have the firmware upgrade installed?

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Woody Power Member Member since:Jun 2007 Home Theater Gallery:60 4K collection:175 Blu-ray collection:415 DVD collection:165	The "bomb" is corrected by a DSP update, not a FW update FYI. Very helpful thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1016297

07-30-2008, 05:18 PM	#5
aqupunk Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:54 Blu-ray collection:246 Trading Score:1	I dunno what firmware or dsp I'm running but like I said it is only 3 months old and its never done it on any disk before even ones that I read on the forum that had it.

07-30-2008, 05:25 PM	#6
jingoboy_78 Active Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:TX Blu-ray collection:15	Well, may be you have to check the manufacture date.Might be a old stock so that you might have to do the DSP update. I bought my 805 in March and still it has the DTSHDMA bomb..I use my ps3 to play the DTSHDMA discs..which is not a permanent solution.I am too lazy to update it ..anyways I guess its time now!

07-30-2008, 07:24 PM	#9
aqupunk Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:54 Blu-ray collection:246 Trading Score:1	Just Read this on the Harold and Kumar 2 review.... Audio note: Users bitstreaming DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 to certain newer receivers--Denon, Integra, Onkyo, and Yamaha, among others--for decoding have reported occasional pops during playback. DTS supposedly informed the receiver manufacturers of this issue, and the manufacturers supposedly resolved it in current models, while offering upgrades to older product. In addition, the folks at DTS supposedly have provided studios with instructions on how to reproduce DTS-HD MA 7.1 audio to avoid the problem altogether, but apparently not all studios got the memo. Using an Onkyo 705 receiver, I found this particular disc made a small pop every time I took it out of "Pause." As I have not yet upgraded my receiver at the time of this writing, the work-around I used was to put the receiver in "Mute" for a moment just before returning it from "Pause." Maybe New Line had this BD already completed before they could implement DTS's instructions, I don't know. Just a caution.

07-30-2008, 07:26 PM	#10
fronn Expert Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:St. Paul, Minnesota Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews:1	I noticed this while watching it on netflix last night... The difference was... I was using a PS3 and outputting PCM. There were definite noticeable bursts (repeatable too- ex: [Show spoiler] a "dts bomb" happened there at the same time every time) -- they weren't ridiculously loud, but louder than the rest of the sound. I had never heard it before and I was surprised that even through PCM decoding on PS3 I still heard them. I'm not sure if this is the normal DTS bomb, as it happened when PS3 software decoded the DTSHDMA stream even. Seems like they just flubbed the DTSHDMA encode.

07-30-2008, 07:45 PM	#11
Bruvydsb Member Member since:Jun 2008 Blu-ray collection:31	My apologies in advance if this is a stupid question, but can the "DTS Bomb" cause any damage (i.e. speakers), or is it just an audio annoyance? Thanks.

07-30-2008, 08:37 PM	#13
MacDaddyOJack Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Richmond, VA PSNetwork: MacDaddyOJack Trophy Level: 12(4%) Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:71 Blu-ray reviews:23 Trading Score:4	There may have been reports, but the amp is only capable of so much. I would think, but I am in no way certain, that as long as the amp is not overkill for your speakers then you will probably be ok. I have had no problems with my gear after having a few DTS bombs.

07-31-2008, 12:07 AM	#14
SatinKzo Senior Member Member since:Jul 2008 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:131	Get the pops on the PS3, but no popping on my S350 connected to my Onkyo 606. Btw, the PS3 pops are only there on the DTS-MA track

08-01-2008, 03:24 AM	#15
GreenMotion Special Member Member since:Apr 2007 4K collection:82 Blu-ray collection:1064 Trading Score:10	I am watching Harold and Kumar 2 right now and am experiencing the pops as well. Now, from what I understood, the original "bitstream-bomb" only happened when bitstreaming the DTS-HDMA audio-track to selected receivers, i.e Onkyo for which a DSP update was made available. I only have a PS3, coupled to an Onkyo 805, so I cannot bitstream and only get PCM instead. I never got around in applying the DSP update; but due to PCM also never experienced this issue. In this particular movie however, I AM hearing pops; even though it's PCM and not bitstreamed. So what's up with this?

08-01-2008, 03:04 PM	#18
HeavyHitter Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:154	It seems like DTS-MA has been nothing but problems....long delay to even hear it, pops, bombs, etc. Makes me just want to play the core from now on out. I don't want to risk my speakers getting damaged.

08-01-2008, 03:28 PM	#19
visual0ne Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:United States Home Theater Gallery:12 4K collection:133 Blu-ray collection:495 iTunes collection:169 Blu-ray reviews:1	I also bought Harold and Kumar 2. I am using the PS3 decoders running PCM to my Onkyo and experienced the popping. Is this something wrong with the Onkyo, the PS3, or the BD itself? I am kind of confused. Also of note the popping stopped for me when I changed the PS3 audio output. I selected HDMI manual settings and unchecked all the 7.1 configurations and viola, the popping ceased. Just thought I would let you all know so you can still use the DTSMA output without risking speaker damage. I never noticed this on Shoot Em Up or any other New Line BD. Let me know if I need to upgrade my firmware on the Onkyo to get it to work properly, as the un-checking of my 7.1 outputs from my PS3 is hopefully just a temporary fix. Thanks!

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