Pirates in Full Swing...

[phloyd]

I found it interesting to hear that The Good Shepherd was available 'on the internet' in HD DVD format a week before the official street date.

It looks like unmanaged copy is becoming quite a liability.

I can understanf Fox's desire to put a stop to this. It will be interesting to see if the steps that each format takes are successful.

If BD+ works and new HD DVD keys do not, we could see a revolt from the HD DVD studios...???

[Blubaru]

Originally Posted by phloyd

I found it interesting to hear that The Good Shepherd was available 'on the internet' in HD DVD format a week before the official street date.

It looks like unmanaged copy is becoming quite a liability.

I can understanf Fox's desire to put a stop to this. It will be interesting to see if the steps that each format takes are successful.

If BD+ works and new HD DVD keys do not, we could see a revolt from the HD DVD studios...???

I hope so.

Down with HD-DVD!!!!!

[JTK]

Originally Posted by phloyd

I found it interesting to hear that The Good Shepherd was available 'on the internet' in HD DVD format a week before the official street date.

It looks like unmanaged copy is becoming quite a liability.

I can understanf Fox's desire to put a stop to this. It will be interesting to see if the steps that each format takes are successful.

If BD+ works and new HD DVD keys do not, we could see a revolt from the HD DVD studios...???

It's possible.

[CJS234]

I Say We Go To The Universal Studios And Watch It Burn To The Ground Rofl

[jorg]

Originally Posted by phloyd

I found it interesting to hear that The Good Shepherd was available 'on the internet' in HD DVD format a week before the official street date.

It looks like unmanaged copy is becoming quite a liability.

I can understanf Fox's desire to put a stop to this. It will be interesting to see if the steps that each format takes are successful.

If BD+ works and new HD DVD keys do not, we could see a revolt from the HD DVD studios...???

if you think that is bad hows waiting a week after a movie theater release of a movie like 300 and u can download the dvd

or further on down the road look at satilite u might not know it but as of mid april all typs of it will be as essay of stealing anolge cable in fact it is easier its a shame that almost every one has turned to this

[Banjo]

Not only that, some studios in USA are threatening the Canadian theatre owners with delayed release dates.

Only the problem is, how will that prevent piracy?

Yes, our laws are much, much more lean on piracy than the USA is. Still, making such a threat will only make it worse.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Banjo

Not only that, some studios in USA are threatening the Canadian theatre owners with delayed release dates.

That's because something like 50% of bootleg DVD in the US source from camcorder viewings in Montreal theaters.

Clearly, if they delay the release it means the bootleg has to be obtained south of the border.

Gary

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

That's because something like 50% of bootleg DVD in the US source from camcorder viewings in Montreal theaters.

Clearly, if they delay the release it means the bootleg has to be obtained south of the border.

Gary

and they'll just do it in the USA instead of Montréal. I guess somebody in Montréal is recording all of these movies but who really watch movies that were recorded off the screen? The video quality of the movies recorded via camcorder are often TERRIBLE and pretty much unwatchable.

People would have to have LOW, LOW standards to enjoy a movie in these conditions. I guess there's a lot of them.

[phloyd]

There is a big difference between a cam of a screen and the HD DVD, bit for bit, identical to the retail except for AACS.

People who watch cams would arguably never pay the price in the cinema. They don't care about quality or the experience.

A bit for bit copy of the HD DVD could easily erode sales where people are not missing out on anything at all and getting the movie for free with the same quality as the official release.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Banjo

and they'll just do it in the USA instead of Montréal. I guess somebody in Montréal is recording all of these movies but who really watch movies that were recorded off the screen? The video quality of the movies recorded via camcorder are often TERRIBLE and pretty much unwatchable.

People would have to have LOW, LOW standards to enjoy a movie in these conditions. I guess there's a lot of them.

Unfortunately, that is true. Price is more important than quality with the mass market. Always has been. Always will be.

All we can hope with HD discs is general adoption (tens of millions). Mass adoption (hundreds of millions) is highly unlikely. Neither BD or HD DVD have a chance of surpassing DVD before we're all looking to the next big thing (like a 4Kx2K format).

Gary

[jorg]

a fair share of dvd screener which is from the dvd the projectors use to show movie alot have spanish subs and alot of stuff comes from euro were some countries rules and min-to-none

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Unfortunately, that is true. Price is more important than quality with the mass market. Always has been. Always will be.

True, otherwise the iPod and MP3s in general would have never been such a sucess.

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

All we can hope with HD discs is general adoption (tens of millions). Mass adoption (hundreds of millions) is highly unlikely. Neither BD or HD DVD have a chance of surpassing DVD before we're all looking to the next big thing (like a 4Kx2K format).

Gary

Even with sales numbers like CR (100'000 in the first 2 weeks)? It will be 5-10 years until we see any 4k products, and people are really digging their CE toys (there has just been a review of buying habits in Switzerland, and the most money (not including pure survival) is spent on CE/HT equipment). So if this silly war is over by the end of this year and more and more people have HD-ready TV sets at home, don't you think mass market adoption is possible within the next couple of years?

[phloyd]

A Scanner Darkly HD DVD is already available in the world wide bit bucket.

Apparently it is only 14 GB!

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by phloyd

A Scanner Darkly HD DVD is already available in the world wide bit bucket.

Apparently it is only 14 GB!

What exactly are people proving by illegally distributing the content? Total contempt for any studio making content available? Hatred of the artists that created it?

I can see why individuals feel they have a right to make copies of what they own for personal use. But, how does then making that available to outright thieves help anyone?

Gary

[phloyd]

I don't know their motivations specifically. Generally I think it is the desire to spread versions that can be played back on PCs, plus perhaps some bragging rights. The more the studios try to lock out the HTPCs, the more this kind of thing will happen.

And to be clear, I am not the source. I just hear about these things. I don't have the equipment to even make back ups of my HD DVDs. Though I can make backups of my BDs...

[dialog_gvf]

Corel Releases Important Update for InterVideo WinDVD
A Message to InterVideo WinDVD Customers

Corel Releases Important Update for InterVideo WinDVD
A Message to InterVideo WinDVD Customers

April 6, 2007

To our valued InterVideo WinDVD Customers,

Today Corel is releasing an important new security update for InterVideo WinDVD. We have taken this step to ensure that our customers continue to enjoy the latest HD DVD and BD content.

Our decision stems from recent reports that hackers have illegally obtained certain software licensing keys and have used them to duplicate copyrighted content without prior authorization. Corel takes this situation very seriously. We have been working closely with our partners and other industry organizations to ensure we take the steps necessary to prevent copyright infringement from happening in the future.

WinDVD customers who are currently using either HD DVD or BD playback will need to download the free security update from your PC or Drive manufacturer's websites.

This update includes security enhancements as well as updated licensing keys that will be required to view both newly purchased HD DVD/BD titles and those in your existing HD DVD/BD collections. By downloading Corel's free update, you will be able to continue to enjoy the latest HD DVD/BD content, while ensuring that copyrighted materials are properly protected.

Please be aware that failure to apply the update will result in AACS-protected HD DVD and BD playback being disabled.

Your continued enjoyment of our software is Corel's primary concern. If you have any questions about the WinDVD security update, please contact Corel's Customer Support Team at www.corel.com/support or by calling (800) 772-6735.

We thank you for your cooperation, continued loyalty, and support.

[phloyd]

In the latest news I hear, the following appears to be true:

1) Matrix Trilogy HD DVDs are using new AACS keys and cannot be decrypted using the old methods

2) One of the discs has been compromised and I expect that it will show up 'on the internet' any day now. The others are not expected to take much longer.

It looks like the AACS changes have not been effective for HD DVD. We will know for sure in a few days I guess.

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by phloyd

It looks like the AACS changes have not been effective for HD DVD.

New AACS cracks cannot be revoked, says hacker:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ys-hacker.html

[theknub]

all this really tells me is that it is a pain in the ass to crack at the moment and you would have to have a patched firmware for it to work. the beauty is that BR can disable a disc from being read if the software detects a hacked or patched firmware.

[coolmilo]

Damn, I thought this was a tread about the new Pirates movie.

Personally I do not think that there is anything that will stop piracy. The best way to combat piracy is for the studios to produce quality releases at affordable prices.

What's worse: folks pirating movies, or the greed of the movie studios for not ending this silly format war, or better yet the cost of popcorn and a soda at a movie theater?