projectors and 1080p - Blu-ray Forum

llmercll · 12-03-2008, 06:18 PM

according to all the charts Ive seen i understand that if you are sitting say 9-10 feet away from your tv(for a 50", less for smaller, more for larger) you wont really tell a difference between 1080p and 720p.

My questions now is on projectors. they usually show screens of 100" to 120"...

since the screen is so huge, does the chart still apply?

http://comcal.wboc.com/img/resvsdist.jpg

it looks like you need to sit 16 feet to see full 1080p and 24 feet to see full 720p...does that mean that a 1080p resolution will have a much better effect on projectors than say lcd or plasma hdtv?

i always thought projectors were more fuzzy and less sharp than tv's, and wouldn't think it can tell the difference of 1080p or 720p...or if they are sharp then it would make a huge difference?

jcdennis · 12-03-2008, 06:33 PM

Front projectors for home theater use have come a long way, and for the most part offer a very sharp picture.

That being said, yes the differences in resolution tend to be more pronounced due to the screen size. The chart you linked does still apply.

I think you might have mis-read the chart however. As it really indicates that from a distance of 24 feet you will get the full benefit from 720p, and any closer, you could potentially see a benefit to upgrading to 1080p.

Hope that wasn't more confusing then helpful!

llmercll · 12-03-2008, 06:41 PM

yeah i know, i like being as close as possible to the screen without killing my eyes or anything though, i feel more immersed that way...and my eyes suck.

But yeah, if i got a projector (a quality one, at least 2k), the picture would be as crystal clear as an hdtv?

I understand projectors require dark rooms and arent very portable, and are also difficult to install. ( i have a basement and know how to install things)

but i don't see why i would spend the same on a 60"ish plasma when i could have a 120" =)...is the quality as good? now im wondering, it sounds too good to be true, hah

kpkelley · 12-03-2008, 06:46 PM

Is this image sharp enough for you?

jcdennis · 12-03-2008, 06:51 PM

"as crystal clear" might be a little bit of a reach. For the most part blacks wont be as black with a FP etc, but in my mind if you have a dedicated theater room they're the way to go.

In my mind it all depends on what you plan on using the display for. Personally I never use mine for TV viewing, and just use it for movies and games.

If you've never seen one in action, I'd suggest going to a home theater specialty store and demoing one, and visit www.projectorcentral.com for more tips etc.

Good example above by kpkelly! LOL

llmercll · 12-03-2008, 07:13 PM

holy SH%$#, a projector displayed that??!

wow..so it must be like having say half of a movie theater in your home?

kpkelley · 12-03-2008, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llmercll

holy SH%$#, a projector displayed that??!

wow..so it must be like having say half of a movie theater in your home?

Yup, that was from the HC7000 review at Projectorreviews.com

This is from Brian Sturgeon's pictures on this site.

Mr. HiDef · 12-03-2008, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpkelley

Yup, that was from the HC7000 review at Projectorreviews.com

This is from Brian Sturgeon's pictures on this site.

Yeah and how much did his projector setup cost??

jcdennis · 12-03-2008, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. HiDef

Yeah and how much did his projector setup cost??

More then mine... but I can say that the new generation of "low end" front projectors are VERY impressive.

kpkelley · 12-03-2008, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. HiDef

Yeah and how much did his projector setup cost??

A lot.

This is from a VW60 also a member at this site, shockabuku:

and another:

llmercll · 12-03-2008, 07:43 PM

Wow so it basically looks like any 1080p television?

how much do those things run? like 3k?

kpkelley · 12-03-2008, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llmercll

Wow so it basically looks like any 1080p television?

how much do those things run? like 3k?

The VW60 is around 5K, the Marantz that Brian Sturgeon has is about 10-15K. You can get very good 1080P projectors starting at around 2K.

As mentioned previously a good resource is Projectorcentral.com or Projectorreviews.com

Mr. HiDef · 12-03-2008, 07:50 PM

this website has the sony for a little under 3k http://photodynasty.com/catalog/prod...oducts_id=5806

anyone know how much a Prismasonic FE-1500R is and where can u get in the us

H9k_ · 12-03-2008, 08:38 PM

I belive they replaced that lense with HD-5000M (3k usd from prismasonics shop shipped)
If you must have the old one ebay and that sort is your best bet.
Or how about checking out the new pana 3000 and see how that works for you and your wallet?

tantheman · 12-03-2008, 09:10 PM

WOW amazing demo pictures.

Tan

JJBOOGIE · 12-03-2008, 09:13 PM

i have a mitsubishi 6000 and my brother just put at a Panasonic AE3000 - both were bought at under $3k (right around $2500 in fact before taxes and shipping) and both offer incredible pictures with no real drawbacks compared to any TV besides what the most particular person would see

the things i always stress to anyone that is thinking about a projector:

1. the big benefit comes from being able to get a larger screen size then traditional TVs...it's not only cheaper per inch when you go with projector/screen beyond a certain TV size - but you start to get more bang for your buck. i would not really consider a projector and screen personally for anything smaller than 70" and ideally 90" and above is where you start to get the full effect

2. ambient light control is not necessary but sure is nice to have

3. if possible, a dedicated room is ideal

in short - if you have room for a 70-90" screen (or bigger) and the proper room size and viewing distance, i would ALWAYS recommend a screen and projector over ANY TV of similar or smaller size...but if you are thinking of a 60-70" screen, i don't really think the projector at the right price point is really going to be much better than a variety of good 50-62" TVs out there

llmercll · 12-03-2008, 09:36 PM

whats the difference between the rear and front projectors? which is better?

JJBOOGIE · 12-03-2008, 10:06 PM

i think you might be confused a bit

a rear projector is a standard TV where the projector is inside of the TV in it's housing in the back (or rear) and it shines forward on the screen...flat panel TVs have eliminated this from being as common as it was for the previous 30-40 years

a front projector is typically a projector (in some ways similar in what i actually does to a rear projector - LCD, DLP, CRT) that is housed outside of the TV (screen really) and is placed in front of it - and then projects its image on the screen

i hope that makes sense

for the most part, anytime you hear someone talking about a projector, they're talking about an actual external projector used to throw an image on a screen in front of it...

the rear projector as a term is really starting to become a bit obsolete

Mr. HiDef · 12-03-2008, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H9k_

I belive they replaced that lense with HD-5000M (3k usd from prismasonics shop shipped)
If you must have the old one ebay and that sort is your best bet.
Or how about checking out the new pana 3000 and see how that works for you and your wallet?

yeah I dont have a projector yet but was just curious on how much it cost does it make a huge deff?

H9k_ · 12-04-2008, 12:23 AM

http://www.projectorcentral.com/ae30...0_shootout.htm is a review 3000 vs newest sony. As far as pure projector id say the AE 3000 is better and if you consider you get a a option for a wide screen (scope) for free with it.. and if you go with the sony you stil need to get a lens costing alot more.IF you go with the one you sugested it is 2x price. Why not get 2 pana 3000 instead?

12-03-2008, 06:18 PM	#1
llmercll Junior Member Member since:Dec 2008	projectors and 1080p according to all the charts Ive seen i understand that if you are sitting say 9-10 feet away from your tv(for a 50", less for smaller, more for larger) you wont really tell a difference between 1080p and 720p. My questions now is on projectors. they usually show screens of 100" to 120"... since the screen is so huge, does the chart still apply? http://comcal.wboc.com/img/resvsdist.jpg it looks like you need to sit 16 feet to see full 1080p and 24 feet to see full 720p...does that mean that a 1080p resolution will have a much better effect on projectors than say lcd or plasma hdtv? i always thought projectors were more fuzzy and less sharp than tv's, and wouldn't think it can tell the difference of 1080p or 720p...or if they are sharp then it would make a huge difference?

12-03-2008, 08:38 PM	#14
H9k_ Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Vikingland	I belive they replaced that lense with HD-5000M (3k usd from prismasonics shop shipped) If you must have the old one ebay and that sort is your best bet. Or how about checking out the new pana 3000 and see how that works for you and your wallet? Last edited by H9k_; 12-03-2008 at 08:44 PM.

12-03-2008, 09:13 PM	#16
JJBOOGIE Member Member since:Oct 2008 Home Theater Gallery:11	i have a mitsubishi 6000 and my brother just put at a Panasonic AE3000 - both were bought at under $3k (right around $2500 in fact before taxes and shipping) and both offer incredible pictures with no real drawbacks compared to any TV besides what the most particular person would see the things i always stress to anyone that is thinking about a projector: 1. the big benefit comes from being able to get a larger screen size then traditional TVs...it's not only cheaper per inch when you go with projector/screen beyond a certain TV size - but you start to get more bang for your buck. i would not really consider a projector and screen personally for anything smaller than 70" and ideally 90" and above is where you start to get the full effect 2. ambient light control is not necessary but sure is nice to have 3. if possible, a dedicated room is ideal in short - if you have room for a 70-90" screen (or bigger) and the proper room size and viewing distance, i would ALWAYS recommend a screen and projector over ANY TV of similar or smaller size...but if you are thinking of a 60-70" screen, i don't really think the projector at the right price point is really going to be much better than a variety of good 50-62" TVs out there Last edited by JJBOOGIE; 12-03-2008 at 09:15 PM.

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12-03-2008, 06:33 PM	#2
jcdennis Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Halifax, Nova Scotia Blu-ray collection:69	Front projectors for home theater use have come a long way, and for the most part offer a very sharp picture. That being said, yes the differences in resolution tend to be more pronounced due to the screen size. The chart you linked does still apply. I think you might have mis-read the chart however. As it really indicates that from a distance of 24 feet you will get the full benefit from 720p, and any closer, you could potentially see a benefit to upgrading to 1080p. Hope that wasn't more confusing then helpful!

12-03-2008, 06:41 PM	#3
llmercll Junior Member Member since:Dec 2008	yeah i know, i like being as close as possible to the screen without killing my eyes or anything though, i feel more immersed that way...and my eyes suck. But yeah, if i got a projector (a quality one, at least 2k), the picture would be as crystal clear as an hdtv? I understand projectors require dark rooms and arent very portable, and are also difficult to install. ( i have a basement and know how to install things) but i don't see why i would spend the same on a 60"ish plasma when i could have a 120" =)...is the quality as good? now im wondering, it sounds too good to be true, hah

12-03-2008, 06:46 PM	#4
kpkelley Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Framingham, MA 4K collection:385 Blu-ray collection:2478 Digital collection:113 Blu-ray reviews: 152	Is this image sharp enough for you?

12-03-2008, 06:51 PM	#5
jcdennis Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Halifax, Nova Scotia Blu-ray collection:69	"as crystal clear" might be a little bit of a reach. For the most part blacks wont be as black with a FP etc, but in my mind if you have a dedicated theater room they're the way to go. In my mind it all depends on what you plan on using the display for. Personally I never use mine for TV viewing, and just use it for movies and games. If you've never seen one in action, I'd suggest going to a home theater specialty store and demoing one, and visit www.projectorcentral.com for more tips etc. Good example above by kpkelly! LOL

12-03-2008, 07:13 PM	#6
llmercll Junior Member Member since:Dec 2008	holy SH%$#, a projector displayed that??! wow..so it must be like having say half of a movie theater in your home?

12-03-2008, 07:43 PM	#11
llmercll Junior Member Member since:Dec 2008	Wow so it basically looks like any 1080p television? how much do those things run? like 3k?

12-03-2008, 07:50 PM	#13
Mr. HiDef Expert Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Fox Lake IL Blu-ray collection:89	this website has the sony for a little under 3k http://photodynasty.com/catalog/prod...oducts_id=5806 anyone know how much a Prismasonic FE-1500R is and where can u get in the us

12-03-2008, 09:10 PM	#15
tantheman Junior Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:7	WOW amazing demo pictures. Tan

12-03-2008, 09:36 PM	#17
llmercll Junior Member Member since:Dec 2008	whats the difference between the rear and front projectors? which is better?

12-03-2008, 10:06 PM	#18
JJBOOGIE Member Member since:Oct 2008 Home Theater Gallery:11	i think you might be confused a bit a rear projector is a standard TV where the projector is inside of the TV in it's housing in the back (or rear) and it shines forward on the screen...flat panel TVs have eliminated this from being as common as it was for the previous 30-40 years a front projector is typically a projector (in some ways similar in what i actually does to a rear projector - LCD, DLP, CRT) that is housed outside of the TV (screen really) and is placed in front of it - and then projects its image on the screen i hope that makes sense for the most part, anytime you hear someone talking about a projector, they're talking about an actual external projector used to throw an image on a screen in front of it... the rear projector as a term is really starting to become a bit obsolete

12-04-2008, 12:23 AM	#20
H9k_ Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Vikingland	http://www.projectorcentral.com/ae30...0_shootout.htm is a review 3000 vs newest sony. As far as pure projector id say the AE 3000 is better and if you consider you get a a option for a wide screen (scope) for free with it.. and if you go with the sony you stil need to get a lens costing alot more.IF you go with the one you sugested it is 2x price. Why not get 2 pana 3000 instead?

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