HD-DVD adopts Hybrid discs! - Blu-ray Forum

Logansneo · 12-09-2004, 12:23 AM

Unfortunately it seems that the HD-DVD group has adopted the idea I was suggesting Blu-Ray use, which is to have a HYBRID HD/Standard DVD disc that is completely backwards compatible with current DVD players yet allows for consumers to transition into the new format when it is financially feasible for them to. I truly hope that Sony takes a long, hard look at this and decides to adopt a similar Hybrid Blu-Ray disc; otherwise I feel that they will be left in the dust by HD-DVD, much like their Betamax endeavor. It pains me that Toshiba's HD-DVD standard has adopted this because I truly feel that Blu-Ray is superior to HD-DVD, but if I am put in the position of choosing between a format that forces me to immediately purchase new equipment to take advantage of my HD disc purchase, and doesn't seem to be interested in helping me "afford" the transition by helping to keep duplicate purchases to a minimum, than I am sorry to say that HD-DVD will be getting my business!

Here is the news link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...n_toshiba_dvds

-Jeremy

zombie · 12-09-2004, 12:25 AM

These hybrid discs are of no interest to me. The HD-DVD transfer on the hybrids will be half the bitrate of a true HD-DVD disc. That means a worse picture. I want true HD quality!!

Gorkab · 12-09-2004, 12:14 PM

YES ! HD Powwwaaaaa !!!! 8)

Logansneo · 12-09-2004, 02:55 PM

How do you know that the hybrid transfer will be half the bitrate of an HD-DVD only disc? If it's dual layered than one layer will be for the standard DVD film, and the other layer will be for HD. Also they could dual layer and double side the disc if room is an issue. Also we are talking about the average film release, which would mean the film would normally be less than 2 hours long, so I don't see your point. Wouldn't you rather NOT have to repurchase every film over again or at least keep it to a minimum. I'm sure you must have limitless assets with which to spend on 4 variations of the same film as well as the funds to purchase each and every new form of DVD player that comes out, but I don't and making a disc backwards compatible so that consumers like myself who have already heavily invested in current DVD players can still collect the HD discs while enjoying the film on that disc with my current equipment. How illogical is that?

-Jeremy

zombie · 12-09-2004, 04:37 PM

If you have to sacrifice picture quality in favor of your budget I guess I understand. I'm not rich by all means but I will not settle for highly compressed HD transfers of the films I like. It would be a waste of my money to buy any of these hybrids. I'm not going to apologize for choosing the Lexus over the Taurus.

Logansneo · 12-09-2004, 08:56 PM

I am also a proponent of Blu-Ray and feel that it's higher bit rate absolutely trounces what HD-DVD has decided to adopt, as well as Blu-Ray's larger storage media. But I truly feel that the lack of a hybrid disc in the Blu-Ray cannon will hinder mainstream sales of the format, thereby limiting its consumer impact. I DO NOT LIKE HD-DVD!!! I just feel that they have taken the right approach specifically and singularly in regards to backward compatible software. I never once said that they were superior to Blu-Ray, but their decision to adopt hybrid media gives them a clear advantage, in the mainstream! Whether you or I adopt a format when it initially is released and will only accept the highest video quality available because of our dedication to the pinnacle of video excellence is irrelevant! I am concerned for the future of Blu-Ray and honestly feel if Sony doesn't see the writing on the wall and understand that appealing to the MASS MARKET with backward compatible software could be a successful way to capture that market, than I feel Sony's Blu-Ray could very easily loose the coming format war to HD-DVD. And I DO NOT want that to happen!

-Jeremy

thunderhawk · 12-10-2004, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logansneo

I am also a proponent of Blu-Ray and feel that it's higher bit rate absolutely trounces what HD-DVD has decided to adopt, as well as Blu-Ray's larger storage media. But I truly feel that the lack of a hybrid disc in the Blu-Ray cannon will hinder mainstream sales of the format, thereby limiting its consumer impact. I DO NOT LIKE HD-DVD!!! I just feel that they have taken the right approach specifically and singularly in regards to backward compatible software. I never once said that they were superior to Blu-Ray, but their decision to adopt hybrid media gives them a clear advantage, in the mainstream! Whether you or I adopt a format when it initially is released and will only accept the highest video quality available because of our dedication to the pinnacle of video excellence is irrelevant! I am concerned for the future of Blu-Ray and honestly feel if Sony doesn't see the writing on the wall and understand that appealing to the MASS MARKET with backward compatible software could be a successful way to capture that market, than I feel Sony's Blu-Ray could very easily loose the coming format war to HD-DVD. And I DO NOT want that to happen!

-Jeremy

yup, same here...

zombie · 12-11-2004, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logansneo

I am also a proponent of Blu-Ray and feel that it's higher bit rate absolutely trounces what HD-DVD has decided to adopt, as well as Blu-Ray's larger storage media. But I truly feel that the lack of a hybrid disc in the Blu-Ray cannon will hinder mainstream sales of the format, thereby limiting its consumer impact. I DO NOT LIKE HD-DVD!!! I just feel that they have taken the right approach specifically and singularly in regards to backward compatible software. I never once said that they were superior to Blu-Ray, but their decision to adopt hybrid media gives them a clear advantage, in the mainstream! Whether you or I adopt a format when it initially is released and will only accept the highest video quality available because of our dedication to the pinnacle of video excellence is irrelevant! I am concerned for the future of Blu-Ray and honestly feel if Sony doesn't see the writing on the wall and understand that appealing to the MASS MARKET with backward compatible software could be a successful way to capture that market, than I feel Sony's Blu-Ray could very easily loose the coming format war to HD-DVD. And I DO NOT want that to happen!

-Jeremy

Well you're right that this hybrid idea is smart marketing. There are plenty of people who won't know better and like the sound of hybrids. So I agree with your comments about that. However, I do not share your feeling that it could cause Blu-ray to lose. I believe items like the PS3 will help the Blu-ray cause much greater and much quicker than any hybrid could do for HD-DVD.

Logansneo · 12-11-2004, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Well you're right that this hybrid idea is smart marketing. There are plenty of people who won't know better and like the sound of hybrids. So I agree with your comments about that. However, I do not share your feeling that it could cause Blu-ray to lose. I believe items like the PS3 will help the Blu-ray cause much greater and much quicker than any hybrid could do for HD-DVD.

I absolutely agree about the PS3 and since the PS2 has been the top selling video game system this generation, if just the current user base were to all upgrade to PS3, than HD-DVD would have more than just an uphill battle ahead. One thing though, I really hope all of the game system manufacturers focus on a much more "DVD" friendly interface in their next systems, with setup options like many of the current DVD players available. Both PS2 and XBOX have extremely suck-a$$ setup screens which are interlaced-only, and the presentation leaves much to be desired. All future game systems must be shipped with standard DVD remotes, along with a game controller, not some cheap piece of crap that runs through the memory port. Dedicated IR pickups people!!! Sorry, just a serious pet peeve!

-Jeremy

thunderhawk · 12-28-2004, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logansneo

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Well, I dont see how they do it

Most DVDs are double layered, and if you want a DVD and a HD version, you'll probably need 4 layers! But HD-DVD doesn't support 4 layers! :? :? :?

singulusshareholder · 01-28-2005, 06:31 PM

little Comparison of Hybrid disktypes:

hddvd/dvd: only one DVD-Layer is possible! =>4,7GB for DVD and 15GB for HD-DVD-Layer

brd/dvd: two DVD-Layers are possible(dl dvd)=>8,5+ GB and at least 1 BRD-Layer => 25GB

alot of the new films on DVD are on DL-DVD!!

12-09-2004, 12:23 AM	#1
Logansneo Junior Member Member since:Oct 2004	HD-DVD adopts Hybrid discs! Unfortunately it seems that the HD-DVD group has adopted the idea I was suggesting Blu-Ray use, which is to have a HYBRID HD/Standard DVD disc that is completely backwards compatible with current DVD players yet allows for consumers to transition into the new format when it is financially feasible for them to. I truly hope that Sony takes a long, hard look at this and decides to adopt a similar Hybrid Blu-Ray disc; otherwise I feel that they will be left in the dust by HD-DVD, much like their Betamax endeavor. It pains me that Toshiba's HD-DVD standard has adopted this because I truly feel that Blu-Ray is superior to HD-DVD, but if I am put in the position of choosing between a format that forces me to immediately purchase new equipment to take advantage of my HD disc purchase, and doesn't seem to be interested in helping me "afford" the transition by helping to keep duplicate purchases to a minimum, than I am sorry to say that HD-DVD will be getting my business! Here is the news link: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...n_toshiba_dvds -Jeremy

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12-09-2004, 12:25 AM	#2
zombie Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:May 2004 Trading Score:864	These hybrid discs are of no interest to me. The HD-DVD transfer on the hybrids will be half the bitrate of a true HD-DVD disc. That means a worse picture. I want true HD quality!!

12-09-2004, 12:14 PM	#3
Gorkab Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Nov 2004 Location:France 4K collection:142 Blu-ray collection:542 DVD collection:28 Blu-ray reviews:1	YES ! HD Powwwaaaaa !!!! 8)

12-09-2004, 02:55 PM	#4
Logansneo Junior Member Member since:Oct 2004	How do you know that the hybrid transfer will be half the bitrate of an HD-DVD only disc? If it's dual layered than one layer will be for the standard DVD film, and the other layer will be for HD. Also they could dual layer and double side the disc if room is an issue. Also we are talking about the average film release, which would mean the film would normally be less than 2 hours long, so I don't see your point. Wouldn't you rather NOT have to repurchase every film over again or at least keep it to a minimum. I'm sure you must have limitless assets with which to spend on 4 variations of the same film as well as the funds to purchase each and every new form of DVD player that comes out, but I don't and making a disc backwards compatible so that consumers like myself who have already heavily invested in current DVD players can still collect the HD discs while enjoying the film on that disc with my current equipment. How illogical is that? -Jeremy

12-09-2004, 04:37 PM	#5
zombie Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:May 2004 Trading Score:864	If you have to sacrifice picture quality in favor of your budget I guess I understand. I'm not rich by all means but I will not settle for highly compressed HD transfers of the films I like. It would be a waste of my money to buy any of these hybrids. I'm not going to apologize for choosing the Lexus over the Taurus.

12-09-2004, 08:56 PM	#6
Logansneo Junior Member Member since:Oct 2004	I am also a proponent of Blu-Ray and feel that it's higher bit rate absolutely trounces what HD-DVD has decided to adopt, as well as Blu-Ray's larger storage media. But I truly feel that the lack of a hybrid disc in the Blu-Ray cannon will hinder mainstream sales of the format, thereby limiting its consumer impact. I DO NOT LIKE HD-DVD!!! I just feel that they have taken the right approach specifically and singularly in regards to backward compatible software. I never once said that they were superior to Blu-Ray, but their decision to adopt hybrid media gives them a clear advantage, in the mainstream! Whether you or I adopt a format when it initially is released and will only accept the highest video quality available because of our dedication to the pinnacle of video excellence is irrelevant! I am concerned for the future of Blu-Ray and honestly feel if Sony doesn't see the writing on the wall and understand that appealing to the MASS MARKET with backward compatible software could be a successful way to capture that market, than I feel Sony's Blu-Ray could very easily loose the coming format war to HD-DVD. And I DO NOT want that to happen! -Jeremy

01-28-2005, 06:31 PM	#11
singulusshareholder New Member Member since:Jan 2005	little Comparison of Hybrid disktypes: hddvd/dvd: only one DVD-Layer is possible! =>4,7GB for DVD and 15GB for HD-DVD-Layer brd/dvd: two DVD-Layers are possible(dl dvd)=>8,5+ GB and at least 1 BRD-Layer => 25GB alot of the new films on DVD are on DL-DVD!!

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