Motion Blur

[SoundFreak]

How much of a concern is motion blur for a Samsung 52" LCD?

Just when i think i made my mind up with plasma, I start getting hung up on screen size again so I'm wondering how much of a difference there is between Panny plasma and Sammy LCD.

I will admit that at a glance in store, I found myself more drawn to the samsung LCD before i even knew it was an LCD. I actually thought it was a plasma...oops. My eyes usually don't lie and I like the brightness but I do a lot of action movies/gaming so I want ZERO blur and want to sacrifice ZERO in quality by boosting response rate.

[My_Two_Cents]

To me, any type of motion blur makes things unwatchable. I've had plasmas for over 5 years, now, and could never go with an LCD. This week, we visited friends in Charlotte, and they just got a new 52" Toshiba Regza LCD. My buddy was so proud of his new set, but it was painful to me watching football, HD cable and even Iron Man on BD. The blur was just too obvious, and it was even a 120Hz set. Maybe I'm just overly sensitive to it?

[brett_day]

Originally Posted by SoundFreak

How much of a concern is motion blur for a Samsung 52" LCD?

Just when i think i made my mind up with plasma, I start getting hung up on screen size again so I'm wondering how much of a difference there is between Panny plasma and Sammy LCD.

I will admit that at a glance in store, I found myself more drawn to the samsung LCD before i even knew it was an LCD. I actually thought it was a plasma...oops. My eyes usually don't lie and I like the brightness but I do a lot of action movies/gaming so I want ZERO blur and want to sacrifice ZERO in quality by boosting response rate.

Motion Blur will always be an issue with LCD because of refresh rates. 120hz technology helps, but it makes the picture look so unnatural....Refresh rates are still around the 5 miliseconds rate on LCD, refresh rates are like 0.3 microseconds on plasma. It is just a personal preference that only you can figure out for yourself.

At the end of the day it depends on if you want, bright, vivid not natural tones from an LCD, or natural tones and deep blacks from a plasma.

[SoundFreak]

Bottom line is I do not want motion blur. i get none of that with my current DLP. I'm a picky bastid and any type of blemish like motion blur will drive me insane.

In reviews I'm reading people state they do not notice it in the higher end samsung models so I never know what to believe. Although 120 hz might help, I certainly don't want to lessen the picture quality to avoid the blur. that defeats the purpose.

I also just read an article that says Plasma will become obsolete?? what the???
http://www.audioholics.com/education...ila-crt-page-3

[LifeOfAPirate13]

I agree, now that I won a plasma I was at my friends house watching batman and it looked so fake I couldn't even watch it I was like whats wrong with your tv lol. Anywho plasma is the way to go! I do have an LCD as well but I will keep that to late night viewing so I don't notice it as much.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by brett_day

Motion Blur will always be an issue with LCD because of refresh rates. 120hz technology helps, but it makes the picture look so unnatural....Refresh rates are still around the 5 miliseconds rate on LCD, refresh rates are like 0.3 microseconds on plasma. It is just a personal preference that only you can figure out for yourself.

At the end of the day it depends on if you want, bright, vivid not natural tones from an LCD, or natural tones and deep blacks from a plasma.

Ugh, Brett. 120hz does NOT make the picture look unnatural. That's the motion enhancing features of the set, which are able to be turned off. 120hz is just the refresh rate- which, by the way would be 120x a second (where did you get 5milliseconds?). Also- tones can be just as natural from an LCD as a plasma. These statements just aren't correct. I'll give you better blacks, for sure.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Ugh, Brett. 120hz does NOT make the picture look unnatural. That's the motion enhancing features of the set, which are able to be turned off. 120hz is just the refresh rate- which, by the way would be 120x a second (where did you get 5milliseconds?). Also- tones can be just as natural from an LCD as a plasma. These statements just aren't correct. I'll give you better blacks, for sure.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Ugh, Brett. 120hz does NOT make the picture look unnatural. That's the motion enhancing features of the set, which are able to be turned off. 120hz is just the refresh rate- which, by the way would be 120x a second (where did you get 5milliseconds?). Also- tones can be just as natural from an LCD as a plasma. These statements just aren't correct. I'll give you better blacks, for sure.

I beleive he meant response time, which is what really contributes to motion blur in LCD. Response time in plasmas (and CRTs) is nearly instantaneous, resulting in zero motion blur.

[callas01]

Yes brett is refering the the pixel response time, and it is always getting better, I have seen 2ms & 4ms response times on lcd's before too. I have had my samsung for a full year and never experience motion blur, my response time is 8ms and I have a 60hz refresh rate. As Aramis said, 120hz isn't what makes the picture unnatural, its the motion enhancement which should be turned off.

One thing you could do is get the LCD you like and then take it home and see if YOU have motion blur.... also make sure you adjust the settings, as I think this helps... If you don't like the LCD once you have it then you can always take it back.

[Frag]

I currently own 3 sets. A Samsung LCD, A Sony LCD, and a Panny plasma. All have been pro calibrated. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the Samsung has the best picture of the 3. It has the most natural skin tones, the best colors and the deepest blacks. I have been so impressed by the picture that the Sony is going back and being replaced by another Samsung. I have yet to see any motion blur on the set.

The sets are:

Samsung LN52A850
Sony KDL-46XBR6
Panasonic TH-50PZ850U

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by callas01

Yes brett is refering the the pixel response time, and it is always getting better, I have seen 2ms & 4ms response times on lcd's before too. I have had my samsung for a full year and never experience motion blur, my response time is 8ms and I have a 60hz refresh rate. As Aramis said, 120hz isn't what makes the picture unnatural, its the motion enhancement which should be turned off.

One thing you could do is get the LCD you like and then take it home and see if YOU have motion blur.... also make sure you adjust the settings, as I think this helps... If you don't like the LCD once you have it then you can always take it back.

I've had my SAMMY for about 9 or 10 month's now & I have never seen this MOTION BLUR I keep hearing everyone talk about !! I guess I'm lucky !!

[Volume11]

I have to call BS on Plasmas being superior to LCDs these days. Maybe if you want to compare a Kuros plasma to a low end Vizio, but the new Samsung 600 series and up look just as good as any high end Plasma I have seen. They all feature 4ms refresh rates and have black levels that are amazing. In fact, when the first 650s came out to the wild last spring it was the first time I was truly wowed by an LCD the same way I was wowed by the Kuros a year or two earlier.

[Mr. HiDef]

I never even see motion blur on my tv

[nycomet]

I thought Plasma screens dim over a short period of time and LCDs do not. Is this not true?

[brett_day]

Originally Posted by nycomet

I thought Plasma screens dim over a short period of time and LCDs do not. Is this not true?

not true.....panny plasma's have a life span of 100,000 before they reach half brightness

[Volume11]

Originally Posted by brett_day

not true.....panny plasma's have a life span of 100,000 before they reach half brightness

Yet ever Plasma I have seen older than 2 years that gets moderate usage has nasty haze and lighter blacks from when it shipped.

[Blove23]

Can you give betters blacks than a Pioneer?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Volume11

I have to call BS on Plasmas being superior to LCDs these days. Maybe if you want to compare a Kuros plasma to a low end Vizio, but the new Samsung 600 series and up look just as good as any high end Plasma I have seen. They all feature 4ms refresh rates and have black levels that are amazing. In fact, when the first 650s came out to the wild last spring it was the first time I was truly wowed by an LCD the same way I was wowed by the Kuros a year or two earlier.

Personal preferences aside, No, plasmas are still better, and I own 3 lcd's, now while the gap is closing, they still outperform lcds in just about all the tests when they are performed. As far as your 2 year comment, I cannot say one way or the other, Cause once again I own 3 lcd's.

[steve1971]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Ugh, Brett. 120hz does NOT make the picture look unnatural. That's the motion enhancing features of the set, which are able to be turned off. 120hz is just the refresh rate- which, by the way would be 120x a second (where did you get 5milliseconds?). Also- tones can be just as natural from an LCD as a plasma. These statements just aren't correct. I'll give you better blacks, for sure.

I agree!

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Ugh, Brett. 120hz does NOT make the picture look unnatural. That's the motion enhancing features of the set, which are able to be turned off. 120hz is just the refresh rate- which, by the way would be 120x a second (where did you get 5milliseconds?). Also- tones can be just as natural from an LCD as a plasma. These statements just aren't correct. I'll give you better blacks, for sure.

Response time and refresh rate are independant.

Originally Posted by Volume11

I have to call BS on Plasmas being superior to LCDs these days. Maybe if you want to compare a Kuros plasma to a low end Vizio, but the new Samsung 600 series and up look just as good as any high end Plasma I have seen. They all feature 4ms refresh rates and have black levels that are amazing. In fact, when the first 650s came out to the wild last spring it was the first time I was truly wowed by an LCD the same way I was wowed by the Kuros a year or two earlier.

With the exception of the Sammy 950 and XBR8 lines it's definitely a safe statement that plasma is overall better than LCD. It is stated as such by every single person in the industry not working for an LCD-manufacturer (or plasma manufacturer) along with every professional/prosumer CE tester. The 650 LCD's don't compare to the Kuro's, sorry.

Originally Posted by Blove23

Can you give betters blacks than a Pioneer?

Not with source material on the screen, no, not real contrast.
Perhaps with 100% black signal being fed you may beat it, but that's not real world material anyway.