Clive Barker

[Lacit170]

Hey, ive talked to a few of you about Clive Barker in other threads and I'm currently looking for a new book/movie to read/watch... any suggestions??

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

Hey, ive talked to a few of you about Clive Barker in other threads and I'm currently looking for a new book/movie to read/watch... any suggestions??

It never got more essential than Hellraiser I (coming soon to Blu!)
Written, directed by, and thoroughly encapsulating Clive B., who didn't direct the others.

("Nightbreed" came...close, but was too overtly gay-allegorical for his usual cool--Imagine "Hellraiser meets X-Men 2".)

[xander]

I think Nightbreed is still awesome and certainly worth a watch if you haven't seen it. You get bonus David Cronenberg with that film also.

Not sure what to say about the overtly gay stuff, as I never noticed those themes.

[assydingo]

Candy Man was certainly... interesting

He just wrote that though.

[nick1091]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

Hey, ive talked to a few of you about Clive Barker in other threads and I'm currently looking for a new book/movie to read/watch... any suggestions??

Book - The Damnation Game - his best novel that hasn't been turned into a movie.

Movie - If you haven't seen Lord of Illusions yet, it's worth a rental. I'd also recommend "Valerie on the Stairs," an adaptation of his short story from the 2nd season of Masters of Horror.

[katharsis]

I love Nightbreed and actually just watched it recently once again!

Before that I tried to watch it about 4 months ago, but the wife kept picking on it for some time (how cheesy it is... blah blah ) and I actually had to turn it off or would have gotten even more mad!

[thedarkangel1975]

Midnight Meat Train

[statikcat]

Go for Lord of Illusions!

[Lacit170]

ok, thanks for the recommendations... I recently saw Midnight Meat Train... thought it was good as i just finished reading Books of Blood Volumes 1-3.... so i had to check out the movie.... also, have not seen Candyman since i was younger so im gonna check that out again...

Also put Nightbreed and Lord of Allusions on my Netflix list... Lord of Allusions sounds really interesting....

[Lacit170]

as for books... What can someone recommend here? I'm looking at The Hellbound Heart and the Damnation Game...

Which is better for a first time reading?

[nick1091]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

as for books... What can someone recommend here? I'm looking at The Hellbound Heart and the Damnation Game...

Which is better for a first time reading?

Well the Hellbound Heart is a novella, so it's a much quicker read. Damnation Game is kind of long, but it's very involving and some great storytelling.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by nick1091

Well the Hellbound Heart is a novella, so it's a much quicker read. Damnation Game is kind of long, but it's very involving and some great storytelling.

yea im gonna start with the hellbound heart i think... as i do not remember a thing from Hellraiser... how true to the book is the movie?

[opterasis]

Originally Posted by xander

Not sure what to say about the overtly gay stuff, as I never noticed those themes.

You know, me too. People talk about that with Nightbreed, Nightmare on Elm St. 2 (or 3, I can't remember), X-men 2, Jeepers Creepers 2, and I just don't see it until people start pointing out examples.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by opterasis

You know, me too. People talk about that with Nightbreed, Nightmare on Elm St. 2 (or 3, I can't remember), X-men 2, Jeepers Creepers 2, and I just don't see it until people start pointing out examples.

clive barker was involved in zmen 2... nightmare on elm street and jeepers creepers?? had no idea

[master_8ball]

I just finished History of the Devil.. was an excellent book.

Midnight Meat Train was an excellent new movie, and on top of Valerie on the Stairs he also did Haeckel's Tail another great short on Masters of Horror.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

ok, thanks for the recommendations... I recently saw Midnight Meat Train... thought it was good as i just finished reading Books of Blood Volumes 1-3....

If you enjoy his short stories, you can always read Books of Blood vol. 4-6. They were retitled for their American releases: The Inhuman Condition, In the Flesh, and Cabal respectively. Cabal also features the story that Nightbreed was based on.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

If you enjoy his short stories, you can always read Books of Blood vol. 4-6. They were retitled for their American releases: The Inhuman Condition, In the Flesh, and Cabal respectively. Cabal also features the story that Nightbreed was based on.

yea, im waiting for them to release the collection all together, 4-6.... also, i kinda want to read a ful length book by him

[nick1091]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

yea im gonna start with the hellbound heart i think... as i do not remember a thing from Hellraiser... how true to the book is the movie?

Well the main elements are pretty much the same. The only real differences are there's much more of a build-up of Frank in the beginning (I've heard the "gay undertones" thing about this, but to me Frank's just more of a seeker of pleasure in whatever form it presents itself as opposed to being overtly gay), and also Kirsty is a family friend as opposed to the daughter.

[Lacit170]

ok... im looking to buy the Hellbound heart and have come accross this as well... is this the same exact thing with a different cover or something??

http://www.amazon.com/Hellbound-Hear...2468711&sr=8-1

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

yea, im waiting for them to release the collection all together, 4-6....

They have in the past. It's out of print, but still available.

http://www.amazon.com/Books-Blood-Omnibus-v-2/dp/0751512257/

But be advised that it won't include the story "Cabal" (aka Nightbreed). That was not originally published as part of Books of Blood volume 6 and is exclusive to the re-release (the book Cabal).

Originally Posted by Lacit170

also, i kinda want to read a full length book by him

Well, if you're interested in a series rather than a stand-alone, "The Great and Secret Show" and its sequel "Everville" feature the character Harry D'Amour (from the movie Lord of Illusions). There's a third book being written called "The Scarlet Gospels" in which Harry battles Pinhead from Hellraiser/Hellbound Heart.