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Old 01-24-2009, 08:22 PM   #1
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Sony's CineMotion applies a reverse 3:2 pulldown on a 60Hz set to display BDs at 24p. How does this compare to the "real thing" on the 120Hz sets.

Also... is this a good set in general or is it worth the extra $400 for the W4100?

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Old 01-24-2009, 09:15 PM   #2
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Go for the W4100. It has 120hz. This is not saying that the S series is bad because they aint but if your looking for a "judderless" pic while watching a movie go 120hz. I have the 46V4100 and its only 60hz and while its very good I hate the judder effect I get while watching movies thats why I am going to either the Samsung 650 series or Sony's W series tv's.

Its worth the extra $400 to go with the W series.
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:36 PM   #3
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I'd be upgrading from a DLP, so I haven't experienced "judder". Is it really that bad?
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Every tv that is 60hz and that's including you're dlp experiences judder you just don't know what to lookfor because you've been experiencing it your whole life...
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Quote:
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I'd be upgrading from a DLP, so I haven't experienced "judder". Is it really that bad?


Its not bad but noticeable. Its something you really cant get around with a 60hz tv. Some dont mind it and some do. At first I didnt but now I do so thats the reason for me going to the Sony W series or goin with a Samsung. Come the first week in Febuary my mind should be made up by then.
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Another MAJOR concern for me is how susceptible is the display to damage. I have a DLP and it's basically tank when it comes to my two kids.. 3.5yrs and 2yrs. The screen wipes all of the finger prints and smudges real easy... not to mention the occasional clubbing!

How will the LCD hold up to these conditions? This is basically the deal breaker.

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Another MAJOR concern for me is how susceptible is the display to damage. I have a DLP and it's basically tank when it comes to my two kids.. 3.5yrs and 2yrs. The screen wipes all of the finger prints and smudges real easy.

How will the LCD hold up to these conditions?
I have a 17mo and an almost 3yr old. My LCD wouldn't hold up against what you are talking about. When it wasn't wall mounted, I had it as far back as it would go on my TV stand so they couldn't reach it, but it wasn't enough. I recommend wall mounting the TV with the TV stand below it preventing the children access to the television.
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Thanks for the advice. My setup is a wall unit, mounting isn't really an option. I'm either going to wait for the DLP I originally was hoping to get... or wait 'til the kids are older... damn waiting.

Thanks.
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I have an XBR4 (has 120Hz), and there are two CineMotion settings on it (Auto 1 and Auto 2, as well as off). Funny thing is that the same description the OP posted is what is given for the XBR4. I find that interesting, because the panel operates at 120Hz, which should be processing a 5:5 pulldown - effectively eliminating judder. Incidentally, I run the set at Auto 1 for BD content because Auto 2 seems to be prohibitive to smoother motion under the control of the "Motion Enhancer" processing (which I keep at Standard for most content).

I guess I'm just wondering why Sony would even mention 60Hz panel and 3:2 pulldown for a 120Hz display.

Incidentally, I have a 3 year-old son, and he's very good about not playing near the TV or throwing things around. In the over-a-year I've had the TV, I've only had to clean off two handprints, and that was just recently. Kind reminders to avoid the TV right from the start have paid off. I suppose it's probably a different thing during the "terrible 2s" or younger!

Here's a pic of him enjoying his lunch from September, 2008. I'm very proud of my son, of course!

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I'm not really worried about the 3.5yr old... it's the two year old, and sometimes it's a "monkey see, monkey do" situation with the two of them. Together they're "Thick as Thieves", alone they are angels.
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