Help in proving bluray better

[TBoneCapone]

I need help in proving blu-ray is better than hd-dvd. I have a minimum wage guy at our BX telling everyone HD-DVD is better. I got in a heated discussion with him and told him I would be back with scientific....independant proof. Please provide me any links / and or ammunition to use on this guy! Thanks for all your help and insight.

[TBoneCapone]

TTT for some help!

[Blue]

Technically
Blu-ray has much higher bandwidth (bit rate) which with everything else being equal means a much better picture quality.
Due to the capacity 50GB vs 30GB any film over about 120min the bit rate needs to be reduced even more (many movies go for much longer and the longer the movie the lower the quality goes) Blu-ray can go for another 40% or about 50 min more before having to do likewise.

Logistics
If you don't like Toshiba or some no name re-branded XBOX add on well your pretty much stuffed. Whereas if you don't like Panasonic, what about Sony or Philips, Pioneer or Samsung just to name a few. In reality HD-DVD is very much a proprietary technology tied to one company. Java is considered open source, where as HDi or iHD (they can't make up their minds what to call it) is VERY much proprietary.

Survival
Blu-ray has far more chance of survival due to far more companies backing it, and not just silent backers like many of the HD-DVD companies are.

Movie availability
There are potentially far more movies available for transfer onto Blu-ray. There are already far more title available on Blu-ray than HD-DVD. Once Fox starts releasing again (when the stronger security comes out) this will increase more. There are more and more Blu-ray production lines coming online, which will mean more movies will be released. No Fox is not going HD-DVD they want the stronger protection and only Blu-ray can offer that.
As far as hardware goes, for the same features = the same hardware, so either Blu-ray a recovering R&D faster, or HD-DVD is being subsidised, which means that this is unsustainable (I suspect both are true).

That covers the main reasons why Blu-ray is superior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray ahs the specs of both formats

[nhaase]

Don't forget that since they use a shorter wavelength laser, the "pits" of information, the bumps and dips in the disc, are smaller than for a regular DVD. As we know, both are the same size as a DVD, but hold much more information (up to over 10x as much). So scratching the disc would be much more detrimental, as identical scratches on a standard DVD and a high-def disc would yield much more data being compromised on the high-def disc.

To get around this, Blu-ray discs have a protective coating on them to resist scratches. HD-DVDs are the same as regular DVDs in the physical disc material, and we all know how easy it is to scratch a DVD. So, in short, BD's are much more durable.

The main thing, I would say, would be to push the increased storage capacity. Supposedly, and people have done math for it on this site, the LOTR trilogy will be released this holiday season on both formats, but the blu-ray version will be the extended, and the HD-DVD version will be what was in the theaters. The math people have done on here is to show that a dual-layer HD-DVD doesn't have the capacity to hold the extended edition on a single disc, where as one BD dual-layer can, thanks to the extra 20gb.

[KenThompson]

It just figures a minimum wage guy would buy the cheapest product he can find. Ask him what he intends to play on it.

[Helicon]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=8345

Read what I posted in this thread, I think it illustrates the difference quite good.

Blu-ray is the superior format!

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Show him the specs on "The Prestige" (USA) and then show him the specs for "The Prestige" HD DVD (UK) version.

Then breakout the NIN concert on both formats and play them on the same 60" HDTV (especially scenes with heavy orange and look for artifacts). If you can, use the PS3 to show him the bit rates achieved in the first song of the concert (and that it's a high bitrate VC-1 with TrueHD).

Finally, explain the side effects low bitrate encodes can have on a title. Also tell him about Warner Bros. always giving Blu-ray a port of the HD DVD version (in effect limiting Blu-ray). Then, show him the artifacts on Planet Earth (Blu-ray version) on a PS3 with the bitrate meter showing the bitrate when you see the artifacts. Let him know that if only Blu-ray existed, this probably would have been a perfect title.

He probably won't tell you that you are right, but he will know you were showing him the truth. Most likely you won't hear anything else from him about this particular topic.

[dobyblue]

Also HD DVD is limited to 36.55 Mbps data transfer.

Blu-ray has a data transfer rate of 54.825 Mbps. It can handle a video stream of 40 Mbps leaving over 14 Mbps for audio.

HD DVD cannot come close to this. Blu-ray has 1.5 times the bandwidth and 66% more capacity per layer.

7 of the 8 major studios support Blu-ray.
3 of the 8 support HD DVD.

There are several companies making Blu-ray players; Sony, Panasonic, Philips, LG, Samsung, Pioneer.
There is one making HD DVD players; Toshiba (the LG dual player is handicapped and doesn't support HD DVD interactivity)

So far almost all of the Blu-ray exclusive titles have used lossless audio.
So far less than 10 of the HD DVD exclusive titles have used lossless audio, the rest are all lossy Dolby Digital Plus.

Look at my signature - it's a collection of reviews from 5 different websites. Clearly Blu-ray is ahead overall despite the early June and July 2006 titles like T5E and House of Flying Daggers.

Spiderman on HD DVD? Not going to happen.
Pirates of the Caribbean on HD DVD? Not going to happen.
Die Hard on HD DVD? Not going to happen
Star Wars on HD DVD? Not going to happen
Aliens on HD DVD? Not going to happen

Of the top 200 movies of all time adjusted for inflation.

Neutral Total 79 Titles = 39.50%
HD DVD Total 21 Titles = 10.50%
Blu-ray Total 99 Titles = 44.50%

[Greenmatiz2]

Eproductwars changed how they do their graphs.

Please show your friend this:

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/index.cfm

[STI Jaguar]

I am not a crazy Star Wars fan or a Nerdo by anymeans but the only reason why I chose Blu Ray because Star Wars might appear on it.

Call me crazy but HD would mean nothing if you can't watch Star Wars on it.

Even though it might be like 2-3 years before we actually see this happen. So for me, this is why Blu Ray is better