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Old 10-19-2009, 02:48 PM   #1
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By Jerry Hirsch September 21, 2009


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Long before banks started locating branches inside supermarkets, grocery stores acted as informal financial establishments, cashing payroll checks and personal checks to provide ready cash for their customers. That's starting to change.

Whole Foods Market Inc. is considering banning the use of personal checks at its stores and this month stopped accepting checks at two stores in Los Angeles County and one in Arizona as a test.

Fresh & Easy Neighborhood Market, the California division of British retailing giant Tesco, won't take personal checks at any of the 70 stores it operates in California.

"Supermarkets used to be a repository of checking, cashing payroll and personal checks, but in an age of direct deposit and debit cards, that's not something that is relevant to their customers anymore," said Mac Brand, a Chicago food industry consultant.

The heads of these chains see check processing as a time-consuming and expensive service at a time when the industry is looking to drive down business costs, he said. But such a move carries risk.

"Every time you take something away, you run the risk of severing your relationship with a customer," Brand said.

Such policies would irritate shopper Kerry Showalter of Newbury Park, he said.

"Grocery stores are a dime a dozen. If the Albertsons where I shop stopped accepting checks, I would just go to Vons," he said.

The computer industry sales executive said he uses checks to buy groceries as method of keeping "a budget under control."

He said he's bothered by using debit and credit cards -- which he said are not actual representations of money -- on perishables such as groceries. The physical act of writing a check makes shoppers think more carefully about their purchases, he said.

It would also be hard on many seniors, who have been slow to adopt the use of debit cards, said Gail Hillebrand, a lawyer and financial services expert for the nonprofit Consumers Union.

But a widespread move by the grocery industry to ban personal checks would not upset other shoppers such as Sharon Fern of Placentia.

"I haven't written or carried a checkbook in many years," she said. "Wouldn't bother me a bit." Debit cards are far more convenient, she said.

"The money comes right out of my account and saves a lot of time over writing a check," Fern said.

Vons, Albertsons and Ralphs -- the stores most likely to have a bank branch within their locations -- continue to accept checks.

They also cash payroll checks, although the chains typically charge a service fee of about $1 to about 1% of the check, depending on the municipal regulations of the city where the store is located.

Representatives of the chains said there were no plans to end the services, and one supermarket industry executive questioned why, in an environment of increasing competition for shoppers, a company would add a barrier to potential sales.

Fresh & Easy, which started opening stores two years ago, has only self-service checkout. It doesn't take checks or manufacturers' coupons.

"We keep our systems as simple as possible, keeping prices low for customers. We do accept cash, credit and debit cards and also have an ATM in store," said Brendan Wonnacott, a spokesman for the chain.

Bill Jordan, Whole Foods' regional vice president, said prohibiting personal checks should improve service.

"Since most of our customers pay with cash, debit cards or credit cards, we want them to be able to check out as quickly as possible. This pilot program was put in place to see if personal check users would make the switch to debit cards or another form of payment."

In little more than a week into the change, "the program is off to a great start," he said.

So far only the stores in El Segundo, one in Los Angeles on 3rd Street near Fairfax Avenue and a store in Tempe, Ariz., have stopped accepting checks. The chain had already stopped cashing payroll checks.

Jordan said Whole Foods would evaluate consumer reaction before rolling out the change to other stores.

A recent rise in bad checks also factors into the new policy, he said. "That unfortunately makes it more difficult for the remaining customers who prefer to pay this way. To help reduce fraud, we have a several-step personal check approval process that can often inconvenience other customers in line," Jordan said.

The chain prefers cash, debit cards and credit cards because they can be processed quickly and "come with added protections" that safeguard the interests of the consumer and the retailer, Jordan said.

Many retailers prefer the type of debit cards that require the shopper to punch in a personal identification number to complete the purchase. That's because those have the best combination of low transaction fees and security, said Adam Levitin, a law professor and consumer finance expert at Georgetown University.

But probably the biggest advantage for grocery stores looking at stopping accepting checks is the labor savings of taking and processing the checks, he said.

Showalter, the Ventura County shopper and frequent check-writer, said he understood the rationale but didn't like the policy.

"If I was a shareholder I would say yeah," Showalter said. "But I'm not a shareholder, I'm a shopper."
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:50 PM   #2
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Do people actualy still use checks in stores in the USA? I don't think I've seen someome use a check in a store here in years.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:02 PM   #3
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Do people actualy still use checks in stores in the USA? I don't think I've seen someome use a check in a store here in years.
I just used a check awhile back but that was because my bank chosen to deactivate all cards and resend because several members had been compromised.

With letters explaining that some distributors had been compromised and retailers...
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:49 PM   #4
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My mom still uses checks... she has this whole thing about debit cards... at least now they do the thing where all you have to do is sign, and the machine will fill out the rest of the information...
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:54 PM   #5
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My wife and I use checks to pay bills but never in stores. Not a big deal.

Doesn't everyone have a check card anyway?
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:22 PM   #6
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Do people actualy still use checks in stores in the USA? I don't think I've seen someome use a check in a store here in years.
Yes there are. It's the blue hair Buick crowd. The time it takes to write a check vs. swipe and go boggles the mind. Yet another reason to use the self checkout option.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:27 PM   #7
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Who still uses checks?

The lady in front of me in line that doesn't have anywhere to be.

Shouldn't old people be in MORE of a hurry?
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Yes there are. It's the blue hair Buick crowd. The time it takes to write a check vs. swipe and go boggles the mind. Yet another reason to use the self checkout option.
I am very surprise, it's been mostly dead here for at least a decade, you never see anyone using a check anymore in stores.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:39 PM   #9
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Who still uses checks?

The lady in front of me in line that doesn't have anywhere to be.
this lady plagues my life as well
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:51 PM   #10
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this lady plagues my life as well
Same here. She must really get around.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:17 PM   #11
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I wrote a check this year when a repairman came to the house to fix my fridge. I'd almost forgotten how.
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Yeah, I've written 8 checks this year. 3 of them were a couple weeks ago when I got my passport and they only accepted checks and the other 5 were wedding gifts. I remember when I was in high school (8 years ago) we spent a week in my math for daily living class learning how to properly write checks and keep a ledger. Now I doubt they even talk about checks. Nothing is more annoying than waiting behind someone writing a check. It's not even like you can float checks anymore if you don't have money in your account since a lot of places automatically debit your account right away.
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I must be old-fashioned. I write out checks for all my bills because if my income changes or the due dates are off when I get paid and there's automatic withdrawal, I'm screwed. The last thing I want are computer generated bounced checks.

IE my sister's child support came in late because the state changed how they paid it and she ended up bouncing all the bills she had automatically taken out that month. Forget it.

However; all my other purchased items are done by my debit/credit card so I'm not completely out of it.
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I use cash for all local purchases, so it's not a big deal for me.
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I write checks to the pizza guy all the time.
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Do people actualy still use checks in stores in the USA? I don't think I've seen someome use a check in a store here in years.
Yes. 80% I've seen in my grocery store have been elderly people. I don't see them even going for a card.

I still write checks. Suntrust has me writes out checks for my car payment and I write them for my Alienware Computer payments. So 2 times a month.
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I must be old-fashioned. I write out checks for all my bills because if my income changes or the due dates are off when I get paid and there's automatic withdrawal, I'm screwed. The last thing I want are computer generated bounced checks.

IE my sister's child support came in late because the state changed how they paid it and she ended up bouncing all the bills she had automatically taken out that month. Forget it.

However; all my other purchased items are done by my debit/credit card so I'm not completely out of it.
You can still do all of that using your bank's online payment options. I'd never use the automatic debit method with each separate service either, but using the bank's payment service for ALL of my bills is VERY convenient. When I get a bill in the mail, I just look at it and file it away. It actually helps with payment planning. I use Quicken, and I have show my pay checks coming in and download my bills going out for 30 days in advance. I can see if I need to move this bill to that pay check long before it ever comes due.
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Who still uses checks?

The lady in front of me in line that doesn't have anywhere to be.

Shouldn't old people be in MORE of a hurry?
Is this the lady that waits until everything is rung-up and bagged before she even pulls out her checkbook? I didn't realize you lived by me!

I actually wrote a check yesterday to pay the balance of a medical bill from a provider that did not have a bill-pay website. We also send checks with the kids to school for lunches, fees, firld trips, etc. Other than that, everything is either payed by credit cards or by direct bank withdrawal (for monthly bills).
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You can still do all of that using your bank's online payment options. I'd never use the automatic debit method with each separate service either, but using the bank's payment service for ALL of my bills is VERY convenient. When I get a bill in the mail, I just look at it and file it away. It actually helps with payment planning. I use Quicken, and I have show my pay checks coming in and download my bills going out for 30 days in advance. I can see if I need to move this bill to that pay check long before it ever comes due.
LOL. I do the exact same thing. Quicken + BillPay on my Bank's website makes doing bills a snap.
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the only check I write is to the lawn guy, and usually I just pay him in cash which he probably prefers.
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