3D and DLP Question

[ngkf7]

Ok, I'm tired of asking Samsung how this works. I've got a 3D-ready HL56A650 and a PS3. Right now, Samsung is selling third party hardware/software that goes through your PC for 3D. My question is, how will this work when PS3 gets 3D support? Will my TV just project the 3D signal or am I out of luck without buying some software?

I'm not planning on buying into this whole 3D thing, just was wondering if it's a bonus I can cheaply capitalize on. I'm not going to be buying a new TV or anything, especially when I love this one so much.

[ronjones]

You will need to purchase a 3D adapter, to be sold by Mitsubishi (model 3DC-1000), that will accept 3D inputs from Blu-ray 3D players and other 3D sources including Directv and Cable TV boxes, and convert these to the unique 'checkboard' 3D signal format used for the Samsung and Mitsubishi DLP projectors. This adapter box is expected to be available for purchase in the June 2010 time frame. HERE is a link for more information.

[Propellarhead9]

I was looking into the glasses tech to and it appears that the XpanD X102's are probably going to be the route to go for DLP tvs. Since a lot of the others only work with one specific brand.

[GamerPS3-X360]

I was looking into getting a Mits 65 or 73 and wanted to know what was the deal with their 3D tech...So I might have to update the firmware of the TV and of course get the appropriate 3D accessories...Does anyone know if Mits 3D tech is similar to what is coming out now or is it totally last gen tech...Also does anyone have experienced the blu 3D like MonsterVsAliens, Coraline, Polar Express, Journey To The Center of The Earth and etc on their set??? Thoughts???

[joenostalgia23]

Mitsubishi is releasing an Adaptor for HDMI 1.4 3D Blu-ray players. That way, you can watch BD3D movies on your Mitsubishi DLP. It won't be exactly the same, but you'll still be using the same type of glasses. I believe the company creating glasses for the Mitsubishi DLP TVs is XpanD.

The technology is similar, except that it uses a Checkerboard method instead of a Side-by-Side method.

As for the BD movies you listed, none of them use the new 3D system. Instead they use the anaglyph method-which will give you a headache. I recommend just waiting for those films to get rereleased because the 3D versions currently available on those are a waste of time.

[GamerPS3-X360]

Thanks for the info...I haven't picked up any of those 3D movies yet because I'm still waiting for a good deal on a Mits 65/73...Do you know if the PS3 will be compatible with the Mits for the 3D tech or will it depend on the firmware the PS3/Mits will have??? I don't want to invest on another player and accessories, then ended up with a dead/limited tech like the HD-Dvd...

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by GamerPS3-X360

Thanks for the info...I haven't picked up any of those 3D movies yet because I'm still waiting for a good deal on a Mits 65/73...Do you know if the PS3 will be compatible with the Mits for the 3D tech or will it depend on the firmware the PS3/Mits will have??? I don't want to invest on another player and accessories, then ended up with a dead/limited tech like the HD-Dvd...

The PS3 is supposed to get an upgrade in June so that it can play games in 3D. You can already do this with Avatar: The Game if you play it on a DLP, although Xpand is currently sold out of its X102 glasses(which you need to play Avatar). With the upgrade, more games such as LittleBigPlanet and Killzone 2 will be playable in 3D.
Soon after, Sony will release another 3D update for the PS3 that will allow it to convert Blu-ray 3D into a checkerboard style.
In June, Mitsubishi will release its 3DC-1000 adapter. This adapter will allow FHD3D signals to be converted to checkerboard style(This adapter seems to be made for the HDMI 1.4 BD players). Since the DLPs require a checkerboard signal and the PS3 will deliver a checkerboard signal, I'm not even sure if the adapter will be needed.
As for glasses, Xpand says they will restock in X102 glasses(These glasses do not use an IR emitter and instead use DLP-link to sync. These glasses are specially made for DLP tvs only. The only downside is they cost 150, although I'm sure the prices will begin to fall by next year.) in June 2010.

So... In June:
- PS3 Checkerboard 3D Firmware Update.
- Mitsubishi releases its 3DC-1000 adapter for DLP tvs.
- Xpand will release X102 DLP link glasses.

- Also apparently when Sony will release Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs on Blu-ray 3D(I'm not sure if it will be exclusive but I hope it isn't since it's a fantastic film)


I'm not an expert so I would love if other forum posters could clarify a few of my own questions.
1. Will I need the 3DC-1000 adapter if I'm using the PS3?
2. What am I supposed to do about AV receivers? Will I need to purchase a 3D receiver?

[GamerPS3-X360]

From what I've read from others on here for 3D if you don't have a receiver that has HDMI 1.4 it will not past the signal or only partial signal...I'd like to also know that answer to you first question as well...hopefully I can research and come up with some solid info on it and pricing on the adapter/etc...

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

The PS3 is supposed to get an upgrade in June so that it can play games in 3D. You can already do this with Avatar: The Game if you play it on a DLP, although Xpand is currently sold out of its X102 glasses(which you need to play Avatar). With the upgrade, more games such as LittleBigPlanet and Killzone 2 will be playable in 3D.
Soon after, Sony will release another 3D update for the PS3 that will allow it to convert Blu-ray 3D into a checkerboard style.
In June, Mitsubishi will release its 3DC-1000 adapter. This adapter will allow FHD3D signals to be converted to checkerboard style(This adapter seems to be made for the HDMI 1.4 BD players). Since the DLPs require a checkerboard signal and the PS3 will deliver a checkerboard signal, I'm not even sure if the adapter will be needed.
As for glasses, Xpand says they will restock in X102 glasses(These glasses do not use an IR emitter and instead use DLP-link to sync. These glasses are specially made for DLP tvs only. The only downside is they cost 150, although I'm sure the prices will begin to fall by next year.) in June 2010.

So... In June:
- PS3 Checkerboard 3D Firmware Update.
- Mitsubishi releases its 3DC-1000 adapter for DLP tvs.
- Xpand will release X102 DLP link glasses.

- Also apparently when Sony will release Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs on Blu-ray 3D(I'm not sure if it will be exclusive but I hope it isn't since it's a fantastic film)


I'm not an expert so I would love if other forum posters could clarify a few of my own questions.
1. Will I need the 3DC-1000 adapter if I'm using the PS3?
2. What am I supposed to do about AV receivers? Will I need to purchase a 3D receiver?

The BDA specs for BD's allows Blu-ray players including the PS3 (after the second 3D firmware update) to provide 1080P (Full HD) for both eyes. The mandatory HDMI 3D specs are as follows:

3D Mandatory Formats

For movie content:
Frame Packing
1080p @ 23.98/24Hz

For game content:
Frame Packing
720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz

For broadcast content:

Side-by-Side Horizontal

1080i @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
Top-and-Bottom
720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
1080p @ 23.97/24Hz

Source:http://www.hdmi.org/press/press_release.aspx?prid=120

Based on this information it is doubtful that the PS3 is going to deliver a non-mandatory 3D output for games or movies (i.e. Checkerboard mode) so you will probably need the adaptor. But to be sure, wait until you have both firmware updates installed. As of now it is expected that the PS3 will deliver 1080P/24fps.

Same issue with the AV receivers. Some 1.3 spec switching receivers may passthrough the 3D via HDMI and others may not.

Info here indicates the DLP 3D Adaptor may cost as little as $100.00:

http://hdguru.com/legacy-samsung-3d-...-directv/1386/

[Jeff Kleist]

Panasonic's 3D decks do Checkerboard, confirmed it myself yesterday

[Joel802]

As Jeff has pointed out the Panasonic decks do checkerboard. I have the Panasonic player hooked up to my 3d ready DLP and it works great. Just need more content other than the demo disc it came with.

Cheers

[Jeff Kleist]

How much resolution would you say you lose I'm
practice compared to the 2d? All reprts I've read is that it's pretty minor

[Joel802]

I would say marginal at best. It looks just as good in 3d as it does in 2d, with the exception of light output. Colors look good, black levels take a hit but still acceptable, detail is very good. The 3d effect is good to excellent. On the Panasonic disc there is a Coral Reef video with hundreds of fish swimming and it is crazy to the point where it looks like the fish are actually tangible as if they were swimming in your living room. Great stuff. I really hope this goes well as this is great tech and adds yet another feature to your home entertainment.

I also wanted to point this out. On my setup I have the Samsung DLP, the Panasonic 3d player, and a Sony soundbar with HDMI 1.3. I ran the HDMI video out into my soundbar and out the soundbar to the tv. I was able to watch 3d and have audio without using the seperate HDMI out. It has to be that checkerboard isn't as big of a stream than frame packed. Oh well, at least the option is there if I get another display.

Cheers

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The BDA specs for BD's allows Blu-ray players including the PS3 (after the second 3D firmware update) to provide 1080P (Full HD) for both eyes. The mandatory HDMI 3D specs are as follows:

3D Mandatory Formats

For movie content:
Frame Packing
1080p @ 23.98/24Hz

For game content:
Frame Packing
720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz

For broadcast content:

Side-by-Side Horizontal

1080i @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
Top-and-Bottom
720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
1080p @ 23.97/24Hz

Source:http://www.hdmi.org/press/press_release.aspx?prid=120

Based on this information it is doubtful that the PS3 is going to deliver a non-mandatory 3D output for games or movies (i.e. Checkerboard mode) so you will probably need the adaptor. But to be sure, wait until you have both firmware updates installed. As of now it is expected that the PS3 will deliver 1080P/24fps.

Same issue with the AV receivers. Some 1.3 spec switching receivers may passthrough the 3D via HDMI and others may not.

Info here indicates the DLP 3D Adaptor may cost as little as $100.00:

http://hdguru.com/legacy-samsung-3d-...-directv/1386/

Recently in this article: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1085581p1.html

A Sony employee is quoted as saying :

"Coombes also announced that 3D PS3 games will be compatible with any and all 3D HDTVs that support the HDMI 1.4 standard. The PS3 will automatically scale 3D images to fit whatever screen you're playing on, while still making it a comfortable viewing experience."

1) DLP 3-D ready TVs are a HDMI 1.4a HDTV.

2) "Automatically scale the image" is only needed for displays like DLP checkerboard that must be supplied a 1080P@60Hz checkerboard 3-D format image. The PS3 would be required to upscale the HDMI 1.4 720P@60Hz 3-D to 1080P.

That statement plus both Samsung and Panasonic Blu-Ray players providing support for DLP 3-D make it more likely that SONY is going to support DLP.

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by Joel802

I would say marginal at best. It looks just as good in 3d as it does in 2d, with the exception of light output. Colors look good, black levels take a hit but still acceptable, detail is very good. The 3d effect is good to excellent. On the Panasonic disc there is a Coral Reef video with hundreds of fish swimming and it is crazy to the point where it looks like the fish are actually tangible as if they were swimming in your living room. Great stuff. I really hope this goes well as this is great tech and adds yet another feature to your home entertainment.

I also wanted to point this out. On my setup I have the Samsung DLP, the Panasonic 3d player, and a Sony soundbar with HDMI 1.3. I ran the HDMI video out into my soundbar and out the soundbar to the tv. I was able to watch 3d and have audio without using the seperate HDMI out. It has to be that checkerboard isn't as big of a stream than frame packed. Oh well, at least the option is there if I get another display.

Cheers

I'm talking out of my hat but I suspect that when you enable DLP checkerboard the Panasonic blu-ray player does not auto-negotiate a HDMI 1.4 3-D format which the HDMI 1.3 receiver can not understand which would cause a drop back to a no-video HDCP mode.

Can you confirm that you had to force a manual mode and that this mode is totally HDMI 1.3 compliant as far as handshaking.

[thebat2]

Originally Posted by jeff_rigby

I'm talking out of my hat but I suspect that when you enable DLP checkerboard the Panasonic blu-ray player does not auto-negotiate a HDMI 1.4 3-D format which the HDMI 1.3 receiver can not understand which would cause a drop back to a no-video HDCP mode.

Can you confirm that you had to force a manual mode and that this mode is totally HDMI 1.3 compliant as far as handshaking.

I have Samsung DLP LED television, on Onkyo receiver that is not HDMI 1.4 and the new Panasonic BDT300 and it runs through the receiver to my television in checkerboard mode and there are no audio or video problems. The disc plays just fine. The television info shows full 1080p. Mind you, this is only the demo 3D disc that came with the player since there are no other movies for me to try without paying $349.99 to get glasses that I do not need and the Monsters VS Aliens movie.

[Elvis Is Alive]

To thebat2 - since you do not have the glasses, you cannot confirm that a 3D signal is being displayed correct?

[thebat2]

Originally Posted by Elvis Is Alive

To thebat2 - since you do not have the glasses, you cannot confirm that a 3D signal is being displayed correct?

I have 2 pairs of the xpand x102 and one pair of samsung ssg1000 glasses. That is why I don't need the glasses that come with the Monsters VS Aliens. Besides the new Samsung glasses won't work with my television.

[Elvis Is Alive]

Thanks for clarifying

[ronjones]

Big news from Mits is they have changed the software design of their upcoming 3D adapter (that's due out in June) so that it only works if connected to a Mits 3D-ready DLP. It specifically will not work Samsung DLPs. The 3D adapter will detect the brand of connected HDTV during the initial HDMI exchange and only work if it detects a compatible Mits model. So unless Samsung brings out their own adapter, then the best you can do with a Samsung 3D-ready DLP it to get a Panasonic 3D Blu-ray player and set it for checkboard output. However, this won't help if you were hoping to get 3D programs (e.g., ESPN 3D) from Directv or your cable TV company.