has anybody seen the new panasonic plasmas yet?

[omgitsmikeyc]

the 2008 model th50pz850u and 80u.... over 1 mil dynamic contrast, 20k or 30k native... the plasma gods have arrived... whats your opinions?

[Chaka]

I have yet to be disappointed with Panasonic and the 50"+ is next on my list.

[PLASMA-1080P-FULLHD]

I havent seem it at store yet but I am sure it will be even more awesome as the 2007 models already are.

[Sonny]

I want 10....please

[dpomp]

yes i have seen them and i'm very pissed!!

[donutman925]

Originally Posted by dpompeo

yes i have seen them and i'm very pissed!!

Is there something wrong with them? From what I read on the specs of them they look really good.

[kjacobs03]

Originally Posted by donutman925

Is there something wrong with them? From what I read on the specs of them they look really good.

Probably because he cant get one.

[ThisIsSparta]

I just saw the TH42PX80U today when I was doing a shop at Best Buy. I work for the other guy. We should be getting the 42 and 50 in really soon. There is definitely a noticeable difference from the TH42PX75U. The 800U or 85 series won't be coming out until late March or April from what our Panasonic rep told us.

Did anyone read the article that said Pioneer is using Panasonic's plasmas for their 42 inch size? IMHO Pioneer is way overpriced with no difference in picture compared to the Panasonic. I even prefer the Panasonic's picture. I have seen multiple Pioneers set up in various stores right next to Panasonic's equally comparable model, and you can't see a difference. Definitely not worth paying the extra thousand or so for. Now that Pioneer is having Panasonic building their plasmas it just goes to show that even they know who is the king of plasmas. Panasonic also backs it up with #1 ratings from consumer reports and cnet.

[dpomp]

Originally Posted by kjacobs03

Probably because he cant get one.

actually it's because i just bought mine in november

[ThisIsSparta]

Originally Posted by dpompeo

actually it's because i just bought mine in november

Just wanted to say you have a nice TV there. I couldn't be happier with man. After I get my receiver I'll be set.

[Johk]

Originally Posted by ThisIsSparta

Did anyone read the article that said Pioneer is using Panasonic's plasmas for their 42 inch size? IMHO Pioneer is way overpriced with no difference in picture compared to the Panasonic. I even prefer the Panasonic's picture. I have seen multiple Pioneers set up in various stores right next to Panasonic's equally comparable model, and you can't see a difference. Definitely not worth paying the extra thousand or so for. Now that Pioneer is having Panasonic building their plasmas it just goes to show that even they know who is the king of plasmas. Panasonic also backs it up with #1 ratings from consumer reports and cnet.

I think the main reason why Pioneer dropped the production of 42 inch models is to focus on the demand of their target customers and the dropping the size that is the least profitable for them. I read somewhere that the demand was even higher for 60 inch Kuro than 50 inch.

It's all a matter of offer and demand. People who can afford to pay 4000-6000$ on a display are not gonna go for a 42 inch model. People who have 2500$ to spend on a display will rather get a 50 inch Panasonic rather that a 42 inch Pioneer

This isn't to say say that Panasonic displays aren't good... They are probably the best quality/value choice!

But Pioneer so far are the best Plasma displays! Maybe that will change and Pioneer will have to readjust their prices.

[MaleManGuy]

Originally Posted by omgitsmikeyc

the 2008 model th50pz850u and 80u.... over 1 mil dynamic contrast, 20k or 30k native... the plasma gods have arrived... whats your opinions?

Think the picture quality would be that much better? Woul dyou sell off a two month old 750U and get the PZ85? :-)

Jeff

[werewuf]

Originally Posted by ThisIsSparta

Did anyone read the article that said Pioneer is using Panasonic's plasmas for their 42 inch size? IMHO Pioneer is way overpriced with no difference in picture compared to the Panasonic. I even prefer the Panasonic's picture. I have seen multiple Pioneers set up in various stores right next to Panasonic's equally comparable model, and you can't see a difference. Definitely not worth paying the extra thousand or so for. Now that Pioneer is having Panasonic building their plasmas it just goes to show that even they know who is the king of plasmas. Panasonic also backs it up with #1 ratings from consumer reports and cnet.

Sorry, but the current Pioneer line is the best reviewed in recent history. Many reviewers have gone on record saying the the Kuro line are the best flat panel tv's ever.There is a huge difference in quality. The black level produced by the new Pio's are what creates this reality, so good are their pictures that the reviewers have gone on record as stating that Pioneer's 720P tv's have superior quality than all the competitions 1080P tv's.

[ThisIsSparta]

Originally Posted by werewuf

Sorry, but the current Pioneer line is the best reviewed in recent history. Many reviewers have gone on record saying the the Kuro line are the best flat panel tv's ever.There is a huge difference in quality. The black level produced by the new Pio's are what creates this reality, so good are their pictures that the reviewers have gone on record as stating that Pioneer's 720P tv's have superior quality than all the competitions 1080P tv's.

That all comes down to what source is going to the TV. Your only as strong as your weakest link.

[DefTechPioElite]

Originally Posted by ThisIsSparta

IMHO Pioneer is way overpriced with no difference in picture compared to the Panasonic. I even prefer the Panasonic's picture. I have seen multiple Pioneers set up in various stores right next to Panasonic's equally comparable model, and you can't see a difference. Definitely not worth paying the extra thousand or so for. Now that Pioneer is having Panasonic building their plasmas it just goes to show that even they know who is the king of plasmas. Panasonic also backs it up with #1 ratings from consumer reports and cnet.

Wow. Panasonic has gotten pretty good, but I dont think they can touch a Pioneer. I think pio is worth it all the way.
On topic, I am excited to see the new Panasonic's, especially if I could demo it hooked up to a BD30/50

[Chevypower]

I am definately interested in getting the TH-50PZ85. The price looks fantastic. The current panasonics don't do native 24p, which is a shame because there are good prices now on the TH58PZ700. Also the PZ85 and the PZ800 series will both have a contrast ratio of 30,000:1 over the current 5,000:1 or 10,000:1? Looking forward to seeing it, and will be a great compliment to a DMP-BD30K

[MaleManGuy]

Originally Posted by werewuf

Sorry, but the current Pioneer line is the best reviewed in recent history. Many reviewers have gone on record saying the the Kuro line are the best flat panel tv's ever.There is a huge difference in quality. The black level produced by the new Pio's are what creates this reality, so good are their pictures that the reviewers have gone on record as stating that Pioneer's 720P tv's have superior quality than all the competitions 1080P tv's.

Yup... Pioneer was best rated for their OLD product, the Kuro line. The extreme contrast models will not be out for another year or TWO. In the meantime... Panansonic steams ahead with better panels... hurry up Pioneer. I'd love to see the new panels from panny :-) They ought to blow away the older pioneers. (Kuro is old now... altho still good)

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by MaleManGuy

Yup... Pioneer was best rated for their OLD product, the Kuro line. The extreme contrast models will not be out for another year or TWO. In the meantime... Panansonic steams ahead with better panels... hurry up Pioneer. I'd love to see the new panels from panny :-) They ought to blow away the older pioneers. (Kuro is old now... altho still good)

Agreed - when the Panny sets came out last year the TH-50PZ750U was being reviewed by Gary Merson as being better than the Elite 50" 1080p PRO-FHD1 in several areas.

http://hdguru.com/?p=100

The TH-50PZ750 placed side by side with the Pioneer PRO-FHD1 made for an interesting comparison. How did the Panasonic’s image look? In a word: WOW. The overall picture quality excelled in reproducing dark and bright level details with a high contrast ratio.

The TH-50PZ750’s color accuracy was the best I have seen on a plasma display and it was the only panel evaluated that produces a true red. Comparing the Pioneer when viewing The Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift on HD DVD clearly showed the difference between Panasonic red and Pioneer red. The same car is red on the TH-50PZ750 and orange on the Pioneer. Ditto for the neon signs and lights of the Ginza in Tokyo at night, where red lights appear crimson versus Pioneer’s orange-y reds. Speaking of night scenes, the Panasonic’s deeper blacks revealed details that the Pioneer (and other plasmas) obscured, as if a veil had been lifted off the Pioneer’s panel.

Jay Leno’s blue sport jacket’s pinstripes provided a fine example of the Panasonic’s superior image. Both panels reproduced the pinstripes; but they were more distinct on the TH-50PZ750. The effect is not subtle; five friends performed the side-by-side tests with a variety of source material. They all picked the Panasonic as the best panel.

In conclusion, the Panasonic TH-50PZ750 is simply the best high definition display I have ever reviewed. With a retail of $3999 and an expected street price that will be even lower, I would also consider it a bargain.

It's back and forth with Panasonic and Pioneer. I believe the new -800 and -850 series will be better than the current 1080p Kuro's, but then Pioneer will bring out their 9th generation. Panasonic is currently on their 11th generation.

Panasonic always have the highest rated plasmas for reliability as well in all sizes, by Consumer Reports. They also had 38% of the market last year (I believe)

You can't go wrong with either. Good to see Panny are bringing out some 24p capable models this year also, the -800 and -850 series.

[ManUtd]

Originally Posted by MaleManGuy

I'd love to see the new panels from panny :-) They ought to blow away the older pioneers. (Kuro is old now... altho still good)

Originally Posted by dobyblue

It's back and forth with Panasonic and Pioneer. I believe the new -800 and -850 series will be better than the current 1080p Kuro's, but then Pioneer will bring out their 9th generation. Panasonic is currently on their 11th generation.

Don't get me wrong, I love it when companies like Pioneer and Panasonic compete for better products, good for us consumers. But until anyone credible has actually compared the 8G Pioneer with the 11G Panasonic, the statements above are pure speculation. Anyways, I want to see a Kuro Elite vs. 800/850 series comparo. If the 800/850 are anywhere close to the Kuro Elite I might get one for my bedroom.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

Don't get me wrong, I love it when companies like Pioneer and Panasonic compete for better products, good for us consumers. But until anyone credible has actually compared the 8G Pioneer with the 11G Panasonic, the statements above are pure speculation. Anyways, I want to see a Kuro Elite vs. 800/850 series comparo. If the 800/850 are anywhere close to the Kuro Elite I might get one for my bedroom.

It's pure speculation based on history, nothing more.