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Old 02-06-2007, 10:48 AM   #1
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Talking CNET vs HD-DVD cheerleaders

LOL, this is funny....

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-...ml?tag=bubbl_1

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A couple of weeks ago, I wrote a column making seven tech predictions for 2007 and, as predicted, a couple of the more "controversial" picks elicited some strong emotions from readers. Most notably, my prediction that "HD DVD would surrender by September" really got the flamethrowers out in force, and even set off a nice discussion over on AVS Forum , which appears to be home to many an HD DVD cheerleader. Among the hurled insults, I was accused of being a moron, a Sony shill, a Sony lover, and of harboring a bias against Toshiba and HD DVD. A few folks even accused the whole of CNET of being biased toward Blu-ray.

Well, for starters, let me say thanks for taking the time to read and respond to the drivel I write. Now if you don't mind, I thought I'd give a little space to responding to some of the allegations and to flesh out my argument that HD DVD will indeed be forced to bow out before too long.

1. David Carnoy is a moron.
This one's hard to defend. Either you think I'm a moron or you don't. But I will say that I have better hygiene than most tech journalists, so--at worst--I'm a clean moron.

2. David Carnoy is a shill for Sony, as well as a Sony fanboy.
If you've read this column long enough, you should know that I'm an equal-opportunity critic. I've written 10 Things I hate about the Xbox 360, 10 Things I hate About the PSP, 10 Ways HD DVD falls short, the more-cerebral HD DVD's Xbox 360 strategy, and a column pretty much eviscerating the Sony Mylo.

It's also important to note that in predicting that HD DVD would have to surrender, I didn't go waxing poetic about how Blu-ray technology is so much better than HD DVD, because it's more of a wash. I talked mainly about how there would simply be more Blu-ray players on the market due to the fact that Sony will sell five times the number of PS3s that Toshiba (and its partners) will sell of HD DVD players--and that includes the rumored $200 Chinese-made HD DVD players that may or may not make it to market sometime this year.

Some of you have suggested that folks aren't buying the PS3 to use as a Blu-ray player. I must humbly disagree. The fact is, right now, with the dearth of good PS3 gaming titles, there's not a whole lot else to use the PS3 for. The PS3, as others mentioned, is a Trojan horse. If you get one, you're going to buy--or certainly rent--a few Blu-ray movies. And once you see a movie from an HD disc--Blu-ray or HD DVD--on a big-screen HDTV, you're going to want to see more. That's especially true of the really stellar-looking movies, the ones that the folks over on AVS Forum call "Tier Zero" discs. And another thing: A lot of home-theater buffs consider HD DVD the superior format from a picture-quality standpoint, but if you've seen Crank on Blu-ray, that argument becomes a lot harder to buy.

3. David Carnoy has a bias against Toshiba.
OK, here's where things get a little more interesting. I'm not biased against Toshiba. But you should know that the company makes it as hard as possible for CNET to review its products. Most major manufacturers send CNET review samples--products on loan for a couple of weeks--so we can do our reviews. Most manufacturers, that is, except Toshiba. Toshiba refuses to send us review samples of any electronics products because some of the merchants listed on CNET are "unauthorized" resellers of Toshiba products. Toshiba executives in Japan don't like this and told the PR folks in the U.S. to not send us anything. (Interestingly, Toshiba does send CNET review samples from its computer division because, well, it's a completely separate division with a much more enlightened view of unauthorized resellers--and online retailing.) However, the Toshiba PR folks in the U.S., realizing CNET has a slight bit of sway in the electronics buying-advice arena, are cordial enough to send us some press information and invite us to various press events.

As a result, the few Toshiba products we do review here at CNET have to be purchased--a contingency for which we have no real budget. For instance, I personally bought the Toshiba HD-A1 at Best Buy and then returned it within 30 days. We'd like to do the same with the follow-up HD-A2, HD-XA2, or HD-A20 models as well. Until we do, you'll notice the older Toshiba still rates higher than first-gen Blu-ray models from Philips, Panasonic, and Samsung. If we're biased against Toshiba, giving their product a higher rating is a pretty funny way to show it.

4. CNET as a whole is biased toward Blu-ray.
Editorially speaking, we've been very clear in our recommendation to readers: we don't think you should rush out and buy either format. Yeah, you say, what about those Blu-ray ads we see all over the site? Come on, bub, your ad sales folks are telling you to shill for Sony, aren't they?

Well, you may not have noticed, but Toshiba has also had its HD DVD campaign running on CNET. (Why a company would want to run ads on our network but not want to have its products reviewed is a bit of mystery, but so are a lot of other things in life.) The long and short of it is that ad sales teams all over the publishing world just love a good format war and would like to see this one go on indefinitely.

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5. David Carnoy is making up the numbers when it comes to Blu-ray and HD DVD.
Look, I read the Internet just like everyone else. I pick up some numbers. Do I just pluck numbers to fit my argument? No, I usually start with the numbers and then try to build an argument around it. Am I perfect? No, not by a long shot.

That said, here are couple of sites that give you an idea of how Blu-ray and HD DVD software sales are tracking: DVD Empire and HDGamedb. I got them from a post on AVS Forum. For the record, the post was probably made by a Blu-ray supporter, but the sites themselves purport to back neither format.

More recently, Nielsen VideoScan has released figures that show the scales are tipping to Blu-ray's side as well. Whether or not this bears out to a full-blown trend remains to be seen. But in the meantime, it's more third-party confirmation of my argument.

6. David Carnoy bought a PS3 and just wants to protect his investment.
I actually own a PlayStation 3, as well an Xbox 360--with the HD DVD drive, by the way. I'd buy a Wii if I could get my hands on one.

7. David Carnoy hates Microsoft, the other major supporter of HD DVD.
Last I checked, I didn't have any reason to hate Microsoft--or Apple, for that matter. I own two Macs and three Windows PCs, and they're all in good working order. Generally, I don't get all warm and fuzzy about large, multinational electronics corporations. They do some smart stuff, some stupid stuff, and sometimes pull off a real bonehead maneuver. The latter is especially good for traffic.

8. David Carnoy is a James Bond fan and thereby a Blu-ray fan by default.
Yeah, sure, I like Bond. So do a lot of other people--it's the most successful film series of all time. But here's the more important fact. When Casino Royale comes out on March 13, it's coming out only on Blu-ray, and it's instantly going to be the No. 1 next-gen DVD out there, by a long shot. Sony, because it owns its own studios, also has a lot of movies--including the rest of the Bond collection) that will never come out on HD DVD. True, HD DVD has Universal, but the sum total of potential Blu-ray exclusive titles is substantially greater.

In closing, watch the sales of The Departed, which comes out on February 13 on both HD DVD and Blu-ray. Both versions should do pretty well, but just how well each does should be a good indicator as to which format is headed to victory.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:07 AM   #2
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watch the sales of the departed ........
OMG..can't get anymore logical than that...great post
david was funny...makes the HD-DVD zealots look like a bunch of cry babies....
thank you for posting this....
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:18 AM   #3
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Default want to know what is frightning about this...

look at david carnoy's picture:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-8900_7-....html?tag=more

now look at Amirs picture:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/featu...interview.html

SPLIT AT BIRTH....
ONE GOOD.......DAVID CARNOY
ONE BAD........Amir
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:28 AM   #4
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Uähhhhhhhh........

But HD-DVD is much more better...(Don`t know why but it must be caus` MS tells us..) You`re biased.... and we in the HD-Dud Camp are not...

Very Good Thread...
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Old 02-06-2007, 01:23 PM   #5
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A nice thread and article from CNET and have a look at DVDtown.com what they are saying about Samsung Player ,once they feel they are loosing they declare war on Blu-ray by releasing too many Frauds just to destroy new user from buying blu-ray.

since firmware upgrade for samsung it shows good results in picture and stability but according to dvdtown.com this Samsung player have a malfunction manufacturer built in


Blu-Ray is here to Win this war and he will win at the end 'Game is Over'
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Old 02-06-2007, 01:33 PM   #6
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Great article!

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Some of you have suggested that folks aren't buying the PS3 to use as a Blu-ray player. I must humbly disagree. The fact is, right now, with the dearth of good PS3 gaming titles, there's not a whole lot else to use the PS3 for.
No concerns. The "nobody is going to use it" crowd have now adapted to "everyone will stop using it the second thea great games comes out".

Of course, when that happens, they don't think a ton of new people become interested in buying the PS/3. Their perfect world has a a few killer games for the PS/3 taking up all the time from watching movies, while simulataneously not selling a single new PS/3.

They can't win. Whatever attracts eyeballs away from movies for a bit of the time, attracts a whole new wave of BD customers.

Gary

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Old 02-06-2007, 01:37 PM   #7
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In closing, watch the sales of The Departed, which comes out on February 13 on both HD DVD and Blu-ray. Both versions should do pretty well, but just how well each does should be a good indicator as to which format is headed to victory.
Silly man. The only valid statistics and indicators are those that show HD DVD is going to win.

Isn't that obvious?!

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Old 02-06-2007, 02:10 PM   #8
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Great article!
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Old 02-06-2007, 02:55 PM   #9
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You can read and see David's video review of the PS3 HERE

He hardly looks like Amir and is level headed and gives a very fair review of the unit.
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:07 PM   #10
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Line of the entire article:

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Most notably, my prediction that "HD DVD would surrender by September" really got the flamethrowers out in force, and even set off a nice discussion over on AVS Forum , which appears to be home to many an HD DVD cheerleader.


Appears? You ain't kiddin', son.

It's a very poorly kept secret, especially when large "mainstream" resources like CNET call you out like this.

I won't get my hopes up, but I hope a lot more of this kind of thing starts showing up and we start seeing a lot of egg fly on a lot of people's faces. Get that bright spotlight shining down on the mess.
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:25 PM   #11
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You can read and see David's video review of the PS3 HERE

He hardly looks like Amir and is level headed and gives a very fair review of the unit.
i know i was makeing a joke.."like we need" a fella like DAVID to join AVS that looks close to Amir an fight the FUD with fact's"

Amir-"well with these new china..."

AVS member -"hold it right there evil Amir, stop trying to spin the truth..because good Amir (look alike) already gave us the info...about that an said there is no price or release date...

Amir-"well...my "look alike is ....um..stupid..an i am always right....
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:33 PM   #12
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Good article.
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:40 PM   #13
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i know i was makeing a joke.."like we need" a fella like DAVID to join AVS that looks close to Amir an fight the FUD with fact's"

Amir-"well with these new china..."

AVS member -"hold it right there evil Amir, stop trying to spin the truth..because good Amir (look alike) already gave us the info...about that an said there is no price or release date...

Amir-"well...my "look alike is ....um..stupid..an i am always right....
I got the joke. Who would want to insult the guy by comparing him to Amir! Ick!

Has this been posted yet on AVS? I'd love to see the moderators read what other sites are saying about their beloved forum.
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I got the joke. Who would want to insult the guy by comparing him to Amir! Ick!

Has this been posted yet on AVS? I'd love to see the moderators read what other sites are saying about their beloved forum.
They'll lock it and/or delete it and very short order. The OP would probably see some snide innuendo in their PM box and possibly a ban of some sort.
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:55 PM   #15
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I got the joke. Who would want to insult the guy by comparing him to Amir! Ick!

Has this been posted yet on AVS? I'd love to see the moderators read what other sites are saying about their beloved forum.
..yea i guess your right insulting DAVID like that would not be cool

...though i do think Amir may be cloneing himself anyway..."that way he can spread more FUD..FASTER"......
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...though i do think Amir may be cloneing himself anyway..."that way he can spread more FUD..FASTER"......
FUDmaster v2.0 - Attack of the Amir Clones
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FUDmaster v2.0 - Attack of the Amir Clones
Can you say "RD***"?
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Old 02-06-2007, 06:05 PM   #18
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^HD-DVD fanboys 60 years from now.
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Old 02-07-2007, 06:26 AM   #19
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What a great read! Those HD DVD people sure know how to attack the wrong people.
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Old 02-07-2007, 06:59 AM   #20
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Definitely a good read. I enjoyed it and I enjoyed reading all the crybabies.
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