Don't trash movie if audio is not 110%

[CrazyFool]

Most people buy Blu-rays for the video quality, not the sound quality, although sound is important to nearly everyone (on some level) of course. And most people either share a home with someone or live in an apartment... so they rarely get an opportunity to crank up the sound beyond a fraction of its potential.

That said, I think it's ridiculous to completely trash a great looking Blu-ray just because the sound is not up to some audiophile's specs.

So I have spoken. So let it be written.

CF

[allstar780]

I buy because of the audio.

I think this is true of many people. I could stick with DVD if the PQ was exactly the same but audio was lossless.

[crazyBLUE]

[QUOTE=CrazyFool;1384061]Most people buy Blu-rays for the video quality, not the sound quality, although sound is important to nearly everyone (on some level) of course. And most people either share a home with someone or live in an apartment... so they rarely get an opportunity to crank up the sound beyond a fraction of its potential

I don't agree with this statement ! most people DO buy BLU - RAY for both PQ & AQ !! Not just mainlly for the picture !!

[CrazyFool]

Sorry, even a fool outranks a blue stain. You are overruled crazyBLUE.

[allstar780]

Originally Posted by CrazyFool

Sorry, even a fool outranks a blue stain. You are overruled crazyBLUE.

Even a fool with Bose headphones?

[CrazyFool]

Originally Posted by allstar780

Even a fool with Bose headphones?

Yep! I'm saving up for something better. Apartment dweller. Just grabbed Bose off the shelf for 'something'. Cost $125. I'd say there are worth about $35.

[allstar780]

yup... try Sennheiser, Grado, Acoustic Research, etc. for better price-to-quality ratios... if you really wanna go nuts on some headphones, buy the Grado GS-1000's

[caliminius]

Originally Posted by CrazyFool

Most people buy Blu-rays for the video quality, not the sound quality, although sound is important to nearly everyone (on some level) of course. And most people either share a home with someone or live in an apartment... so they rarely get an opportunity to crank up the sound beyond a fraction of its potential.

That said, I think it's ridiculous to completely trash a great looking Blu-ray just because the sound is not up to some audiophile's specs.

So I have spoken. So let it be written.

CF

And I think it's ridiculous for you to foist your opinion upon others.

I can't even make use of lossless audio right now but I won't pick up a new release if it doesn't have lossless audio. Fortunately, the only major studio not doing 100% lossless releases is Warner.

Likewise, if I know there was a DVD version with extras, I won't pick up a bare-bones featureless Blu-Ray even though I probably wouldn't watch any of them.

If you don't care about the audio, don't read that portion of the reviews. I personally hate seeing the reviews of the actual movie because what constitutes a good movie is completely different for each person. The only reason I look at the movie review section is to get a feel of the reviewer's attitute toward it. If they are completely negative about the movie, I usually assume that their review of the other portions (audio/video/extras) will be negatively impacted by that fact. Likewise, if the reviewer gushes about how great a release is (for instance, this site's review of Lost Season 4: "the best television show in the history of the medium." To me, if that is true then it shows just how crappy TV has been so far. FYI, I can't stand Lost.), I feel that they are more likely to give positive ratings.

(P.S., sorry to interrupt your headphone discussion by talking about the actual topic of this thread)

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by caliminius

(P.S., sorry to interrupt your headphone discussion by talking about the actual topic of this thread)

+1

[MacDaddyOJack]

Originally Posted by CrazyFool

Most people buy Blu-rays for the video quality, not the sound quality, although sound is important to nearly everyone (on some level) of course. And most people either share a home with someone or live in an apartment... so they rarely get an opportunity to crank up the sound beyond a fraction of its potential.

That said, I think it's ridiculous to completely trash a great looking Blu-ray just because the sound is not up to some audiophile's specs.

My significant other likes movies loud like I do so I get to crank it up whenever I want. That being said, the audio is the most important part for me. I enjoy crappy movies with great sound - I love Stealth

Now if I can say that I love a movie like Stealth, then I think it's plenty fair to say that I didn't enjoy a decent movie with a crappy soundtrack. That doesn't mean that I hated it either, just means that I don't enjoy it as much as a movie with a great sound mix.

[CrazyFool]

Wow caliminius,

You are even more full of yourself than I am, and that's saying something!

[CrazyFool]

I guess what I meant to say in my original post is that... a Blu-ray that has super video quality, great extras, and a solid movie but does not have audio up to "audiophile specs" should not be rated a ZERO... because it could be incredibly enjoyable (far more so than a DVD) to 95% of the population. So suck on that!

[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by CrazyFool

Most people buy Blu-rays for the video quality, not the sound quality, although sound is important to nearly everyone (on some level) of course. And most people either share a home with someone or live in an apartment... so they rarely get an opportunity to crank up the sound beyond a fraction of its potential.

That said, I think it's ridiculous to completely trash a great looking Blu-ray just because the sound is not up to some audiophile's specs.

So I have spoken. So let it be written.

CF

The limitations of hypothetical listening environments are no excuse for offering dumbed-down product: this is the format that's supposed to be capable of satisfying everyone from the top of the line on down.

A BD transfer can be virtually indistinguishable from digital cinema 2k on a theater-sized screen; "most folks" rarely get an opportunity to appreciate more than a fraction of the potential of the image quality. Following your argument: since only a statistically insignificant portion of the population owns displays larger than, say, 65", shouldn't it be okay for studios to issue releases that look crappy with larger-scale presentation?

[CrazyFool]

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

The limitations of hypothetical listening environments are no excuse for offering dumbed-down product: this is the format that's supposed to be capable of satisfying everyone from the top of the line on down.

A BD transfer can be virtually indistinguishable from digital cinema 2k on a theater-sized screen; "most folks" rarely get an opportunity to appreciate more than a fraction of the potential of the image quality. Following your argument: since only a statistically insignificant portion of the population owns displays larger than, say, 65", shouldn't it be okay for studios to issue releases that look crappy with larger-scale presentation?

If you visit a local theater playing a high definition digital movie you will see pixels big enough to drive a truck through. But I'm sure the image would look much better if you sat another 100 yards away... which would be like watching a 42" HDTV at home from 5 feet away. No, the home user does not get a dumbed down image. The image I see on my HDTV is better than anything you can see in any theater in my area, and I live in a very large metropolitan city with tons of new theaters. Sorry Joe Cain but you get the whip too.

[SDBlu]

I like Blu's for their Picture Quality and Sound Quality. I think the audio, however, is very important and possibly outweighs the PQ.

Crazy Fool, you are never gonna change peoples opinions on certain things so why even bother. Most of the people on here put much more emphasis on AUDIO than VIDEO...that is just the way it is

[Mr. HiDef]

I buy both for pq and sq and the pq could be amazing but sq sucks well there really is no point for me to buy the bd also I am not a huge audiophile (yet) just because right now I can not afford the system that I really want but with the klipsch quintet III I have I can still hear good audio and tell if its bad

[Gremal]

I still stick by my theory that audio cues impact audiences more than visual cues. Try watching a horror movie with the sound turned off. It's a joke. Not scary at all. Then listen to it without the video running. The music and sound effects have a much greater impact on the suspense and emotional impact.

[andyman1970]

Originally Posted by MarcosG

I like Blu's for their Picture Quality and Sound Quality. I think the audio, however, is very important and possibly outweighs the PQ.

Crazy Fool, you are never gonna change peoples opinions on certain things so why even bother. Most of the people on here put much more emphasis on AUDIO than VIDEO...that is just the way it is

I put a lot of emphasis on BOTH Audio and Video. It takes both of those elements combined to make a truly great BD worthy of the HD format.

Originally Posted by caliminius

And I think it's ridiculous for you to foist your opinion upon others.

I can't even make use of lossless audio right now but I won't pick up a new release if it doesn't have lossless audio. Fortunately, the only major studio not doing 100% lossless releases is Warner.

Likewise, if I know there was a DVD version with extras, I won't pick up a bare-bones featureless Blu-Ray even though I probably wouldn't watch any of them.

If you don't care about the audio, don't read that portion of the reviews. I personally hate seeing the reviews of the actual movie because what constitutes a good movie is completely different for each person. The only reason I look at the movie review section is to get a feel of the reviewer's attitute toward it. If they are completely negative about the movie, I usually assume that their review of the other portions (audio/video/extras) will be negatively impacted by that fact. Likewise, if the reviewer gushes about how great a release is (for instance, this site's review of Lost Season 4: "the best television show in the history of the medium." To me, if that is true then it shows just how crappy TV has been so far. FYI, I can't stand Lost.), I feel that they are more likely to give positive ratings.

(P.S., sorry to interrupt your headphone discussion by talking about the actual topic of this thread)

+ 100, except that I would pick up a bare bone BD IF it had both superior sound and picture as opposed to a BD with lossy sound and a lot of useless special features.

Originally Posted by tntkain

Audio is extemely important. I have no idea how anyone even listens through their tv speakers. We never watched dvd's and the crappy audio was part of the reason along with all the crappy "fullscreen" movies.

I can't belive anyone would listen to a movie on headphones or through TV speakers.

Originally Posted by CrazyFool

I should add that I do not have a home theater stereo amp either as I'm stuck in an apartment with anal neighbors so I'm plugging my headphone directly into the TV at this point. If I bought a pair of high end headphones I would have no amp (such as you have).

What does living in an apartment have to do with not being able to get a home theater surround system or stereo amp? You just have to know the limits of the system that will allow you to enjoy the audio without disturbing your neighbors. And besides, if you don't have a system then no wonder you don't care about audio and therefore you really have no validation on the subject so your opinion really doesn't count.

[caliminius]

Originally Posted by CrazyFool

Wow caliminius,

You are even more full of yourself than I am, and that's saying something!

It's not my fault I'm better than you...

[gandytime]

Originally Posted by MacDaddyOJack

My significant other likes movies loud like I do so I get to crank it up whenever I want. That being said, the audio is the most important part for me. I enjoy crappy movies with great sound - I love Stealth

Now if I can say that I love a movie like Stealth, then I think it's plenty fair to say that I didn't enjoy a decent movie with a crappy soundtrack. That doesn't mean that I hated it either, just means that I don't enjoy it as much as a movie with a great sound mix.

Couldn't have said it better.For the record,at some point or another,MOST of us ARE able to crank up the volume, that's like having a race car and only being able to drive it 55mph,(Why Have It?)