720p ps3 issue to be fixed says Sony!

[BTBuck1]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5032

Sony working to resolve upscaler issue with older HDTVs


DailyTech reported last week that Sony's PlayStation 3 has issues with upscaling to 1080i resolution. The problem stems from the fact that some older HDTV's can only display in high definition resolutions of 480p or 1080i -- 720p is not an option for these TVs. For a PS3 title running in native 720p resolution, a PS3 will not upscale to 1080i, but will instead downgrade to 480p.
According to GameDaily BIZ, Sony has acknowledged that this is a problem for the PS3. The following statement was provided by Sony Computer Entertainment America:

A small number of older High Definition television sets found in the United States only have 1080i inputs for HD signals. Those televisions will currently only play some PS3 titles at 480p resolution. PS3 games render images at either 720p or 1080p for High Definition and you need 720p input on the TV to play select games that do not support 1080p. This is an issue on the side of the individual television sets, which do not accept 720p input, so when a game outputs an HD signal only at 720p, these select TVs have to display the game at 480p instead.


A fix is in the works, but there was no timetable given on availability.

[JTK]

Good news!

[Blackraven]

Good news if they release it before New Year's Day

[Blu-ray San]

I knew Sony would come through with this problem...

[JTK]

http://www.playstatic.com/news/205

"Sony has contacted us to let us know that they may have spoken a bit prematurely. SCEA’s Dave Karraker, Sr. Director, Corporate Communications, informed GameDaily BIZ that they currently cannot confirm that this 1080i issue will be resolved via a firmware patch. The official line is now that they are “looking into the issue and haven’t stated any actions that will be taken regarding it.”

Some FUD-ster posted this, but it looks legit, unfortunately.

Can anyone around here dig into this and come up with something more authoritative?


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=751368

Interesting thread. Look for a poster named Darknight in this thread and pay very close attention to what he is writing.

Clearly he's an anonymous insider and several people know it in there, for starters.

Worth reading. This isn't a lost cause yet by a longshot.

[shido]

Originally Posted by JTK

http://www.playstatic.com/news/205

"Sony has contacted us to let us know that they may have spoken a bit prematurely. SCEA’s Dave Karraker, Sr. Director, Corporate Communications, informed GameDaily BIZ that they currently cannot confirm that this 1080i issue will be resolved via a firmware patch. The official line is now that they are “looking into the issue and haven’t stated any actions that will be taken regarding it.”

Some FUD-ster posted this, but it looks legit, unfortunately.

Can anyone around here dig into this and come up with something more authoritative?


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=751368

Interesting thread. Look for a poster named Darknight in this thread and pay very close attention to what he is writing.

Clearly he's an anonymous insider and several people know it in there, for starters.

Worth reading. This isn't a lost cause yet by a longshot.

Well, I hope future games are fixed up. Darknight stated that the PS3's internal scaler wasn't being used right now at Sony's request. I don't know what the reason might be for this, but that attitude from Sony has got to change for this issue to be fixed. However, because it's the PS3's hypervisor that's blocking out the internal scaler from being used, existing games like Resistance will need a patch from the devs themselves, not a firmware update from Sony to be fixed. Because the scaling would then have to be done via software, there may be performance issues when using 1080i. I just hope this gets fixed. It would be interesting to see what they say about the Blu-ray issue, though.

[WriteSimply]

I think the BD movies playback at 720p is not an issue as other Japanese PS3 owners have verified - first firmware plays at 720p just fine.


fuad

[shido]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

I think the BD movies playback at 720p is not an issue as other Japanese PS3 owners have verified - first firmware plays at 720p just fine.


fuad

Then there are conflicting reports, because IGN has reported that they had issues displaying Blu-ray in 720p. On their tests, it always outputted at 1080i.

[Blackraven]

The blame on this goes to Insomniac only releasing a game that has its resolution half-assed to just 720p.

The 1080i owners should get what they deserve (a small 20% but still significant) and not be alienated.

Good thing Sony is addressing the issue.

This is why I'm steering clear of the native 720p games. So far, the titles that I'm interested in SUPPORTS multi resolutions (480 i/p, 720p and 1080i/p):

-Ridge Racer 7
-Gran Turismo HD and GT 5
-Final Fantasy 13
-NBA 2K8 and Live 08 (for next year)

Yup, these are the games the ones that aren't affected with the scaling issues so everything is safe for the above titles

Oh and another piece of advice:
While Sony is still thinking of a fix, STAY AWAY from Motorstorm.

For the 1080i set owners, I suggest that you stay clear of that title while the update fix isn't in. Otherwise, it would look like watered-down 480p blurfest. (that is even worse than PS2 game quality)

[takezo]

I have heard some rumors that PS3 does not scale the 1080p Blu-ray encoded movie to 720p. You either output in 1080i or 480p. Is this true?

It does not make sense because the PS3 s obviously scaling when going from 1080p to 480p.

My gripe is if this major oversight is true, Blu-ray movies will not look much better than DVD on my TV (I suspect all 720p flat screens to be the same). 1080i is down sampled to 540p. The native resolution is 1280x720. When I input 1080i , which is only supported by component cable inputs (It has a DVI in which I can use a HDMI adapter, but DVI does not support interlaced resolutions.) on my TV. The true resolution of 1080i being displayed is 1280x540. That is 230,400 pixels missing. To realize how much detail I am loosing, DVD movies have a total of 345,600. Basicaly the diffrence between 1080i on a 720p HDTV, and true 720p is the loss of pixels that on their own can create a near DVD quality movie.

[JTK]

You all seeing this talk around that Xbox360 games aren't "really" 720p?

[shido]

Originally Posted by JTK

You all seeing this talk around that Xbox360 games aren't "really" 720p?

That very well may be true. It was true for PGR3, and I've read some things about COD3 on 360 as well. It's nice that Sony wants to be sure that all games are actually rendering at the advertised resolution, but I still think that they shouldn't be alienating certain consumers simply because their tv sets don't support 720p. Not everybody can afford to purchase a new set, especially not after dropping $500/$600 already for the PS3 console alone. Either Sony allows for scaling to happen on future games, or we'll have to wait for devs to become more accustomed to the PS3 hardware before we start really seeing support for 1080i/p. I'd much rather have my game rendered at 720p and upscaled to 1080i, than be forced to play at 480p, or see choppy framerates/reduced effects to ensure 1080i support.

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by shido

It was true for PGR3

Haha, reinforces my decision to stay away from that game. haha. go ridge racer 7.

It's nice that Sony wants to be sure that all games are actually rendering at the advertised resolution, but I still think that they shouldn't be alienating certain consumers simply because their tv sets don't support 720p.

That I would agree.

My upcoming set this week is a Sony Bravia KLV-V32A10 (or your V32XBR1 over in stateside). It is a 1366x768 panel so its max resolutions would only be at 720p and at 1080i.

I'm keeping this TV for at least two years. My PS3 would arrive in one year.

I think Sony knows that not everyone has a 1080p set as it is too expensive atm (300k pesos up over here in RP starting at 40-inch model).

So far, on the side of Sony, they stated that they haven't abandoned this issue yet and are working on solutions at it. As to when, it is unknown (but hopefully before Xmas there would be one, I hope).

Bottomline...

Well, it shouldn't be a requirement to purchase a new TV when playing on the PS3. Since it hasn't been a month since the PS3 has been released, it is still too early to rule things out yet. But knowing that Sony is working on it is assurance that those affected aren't totally doomed forever.

As to how this will be done is not yet revealed at this time.

[JTK]

I still can't believe there's actually a good Ridge Racer game.

Nice sig, Blackraven!

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by JTK

Nice sig, Blackraven!

Indeed.
I wish he had a 4th one for the add-on

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Indeed.
I wish he had a 4th one for the add-on

Unfortunately, there isn't one because the device in itself not considered as a console.

Or maybe external add-ons are crap and that's why they are of least significance.

:P

Originally Posted by JTK

I still can't believe there's actually a good Ridge Racer game.

Let's face it. PGR 3 can't even beat the hell out of Gran Turismo 4.

I even read from one guy's review at teamxbox.com that after a month, YOU WILL get tired/bored from playing PGR 3. And the online play of this game SUCKS BAD (according to him)

I mean if you're even an Xbox or MS fan, why on earth would you buy this POS racing game when the upcoming Forza 2 would be the more worthy one?

IMO, PGR 3 stains the reputation of XBOX racing games. Forza should've cannibalized it ever since the start of XBOX.

But look at Ridge Racer 7 and it's a totally different story.

I watched the video of it and wow, I've never been so hyped-up about a console racing game EVER. Sure it may lack variety (just like previous RR games) but I mean, you get a cool system music in the start, nice drifting capabilities, cool graphics theme (blue color) and UI/GUI, the ability to use nitrous boost and slipstream (at first for RR games) and what's more....you can go over 400 KILOMETERS PER HOUR!!!

I mean, Initial D has 200+ Km/h, Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune 2 has 300 km/h but at 400 km/h ++, this one takes the cake.

And what's more, it supports multiple resolutions which includes 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p (with up 60 fps option)

This game fortunatley doesn't suffer the issues that 720p games like Resistance have on 1080i-only displays. Unlike Resistance, where 1080 resolutions ARE NOT officialy supported atm (wherein the PS3 must do the work and the TV must have the ability to accept), this game supports multiple resolutions SO NO VISUAL PROBLEMS SINCE DAY ONE (based on AVS forum reviews)

And there you have it, Ridge Racer 7 delivers and will indeed kick the ass of PGR for life

I pray that either PGR games WILL NEVER get released or they SLASH the game price by AT LEAST 50% xD

Without it, PGR series is waste on Xbox 360 and you'd rather get Forza series instead of this POS bullcrap. Then just add it to your main PS3 racing games which include Ridge Racer 7 plus the upcoming Gran Turismo games.

I ask myself again on why Bizarre even wasted time to create this game at all....

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

Let's face it. PGR 3 can't even beat the hell out of Gran Turismo 4.

I agree, although I tend to prefer more arcade like racers myself. (Burnout, NFS, Midnight Club etc.)

I even read from one guy's review at teamxbox.com that after a month, YOU WILL get tired/bored from playing PGR 3.

I downloaded the demo and I was bored with it in 20 minutes.

I mean if you're even an Xbox or MS fan, why on earth would you buy this POS racing game when the upcoming Forza 2 would be the more worthy one?

Because PGR3 was a launch title and pretty much all the 360 had going for it shy of Burnout and NFS: Most Wanted, two games I enjoy immensely more than PGR3, although you'll see some snooty responses from people about that.

It's all about taste. Burnout and NFS:MW kicked the crap out of PGR3 in terms of being fun games, although PGR3 might get a nod for better graphics and sound, but not by much IMO.

IMO, PGR 3 stains the reputation of XBOX racing games. Forza should've cannibalized it ever since the start of XBOX.

I think it's overrated myself.

But look at Ridge Racer 7 and it's a totally different story.

I watched the video of it and wow, I've never been so hyped-up about a console racing game EVER. Sure it may lack variety (just like previous RR games) but I mean, you get a cool system music in the start, nice drifting capabilities, cool graphics theme (blue color) and UI/GUI, the ability to use nitrous boost and slipstream (at first for RR games) and what's more....you can go over 400 KILOMETERS PER HOUR!!!

I mean, Initial D has 200+ Km/h, Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune 2 has 300 km/h but at 400 km/h ++, this one takes the cake.

And what's more, it supports multiple resolutions which includes 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p (with up 60 fps option)

This game fortunatley doesn't suffer the issues that 720p games like Resistance have on 1080i-only displays. Unlike Resistance, where 1080 resolutions ARE NOT officialy supported atm (wherein the PS3 must do the work and the TV must have the ability to accept), this game supports multiple resolutions SO NO VISUAL PROBLEMS SINCE DAY ONE (based on AVS forum reviews)

And there you have it, Ridge Racer 7 delivers and will indeed kick the ass of PGR for life

RR7 will almost certainly be more fun to play than PGR3, at least for me.

I can't believe I'm actually halfway tempted to buy a damn RR game!

I pray that either PGR games WILL NEVER get released or they SLASH the game price by AT LEAST 50% xD

Without it, PGR series is waste on Xbox 360 and you'd rather get Forza series instead of this POS bullcrap. Then just add it to your main PS3 racing games which include Ridge Racer 7 plus the upcoming Gran Turismo games.

I ask myself again on why Bizarre even wasted time to create this game at all....

Heh.


My game comes in March: Burnout 5. NFs: Carbon is ok but I'm not going to pay $60 for it. Burnout 5 will be a must-buy that first day title for me all the way.

Where's the next Midnight Club game? That last game was AWESOME arcade racing. I can't wait for the next one!

[Hollywood__]

The long list of Sony screw ups with this console continues.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by JTK

I can't believe I'm actually halfway tempted to buy a damn RR game!

RIDGE RACERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[phranctoast]

Very good Hollywood. It only took four days and six posts to get banned.

Burnout 5 will be a must-buy that first day title for me all the way.

I here ya. The burnout series kicks some ass!!