Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[crowe-t]

Originally Posted by cuzzin

To bundle or not to bundle? I am very back and forth as to whether the posters and vinyls are worth the extra $96 over Diabolik's price. When I boil it down, in an effort to convince myself, it doesn't seem as bad. ($8 per poster and ~$19 per vinyl.) This is my favorite horror series, after all. Hmm...

I've been debating this too. I'm not too crazy about the new artwork and I currently don't have a place to hang the posters. I also don't have a turntable. The price of the posters and vinyl aren't too bad but I think I'll just buy only the movies.

[Christian Muth]

Also re: SpaceBlackKnight's comments re: an IP being used for the dupes, given how unstable the dupe stocks of the 1970s were (CRIs were often used for dupe shots back then), I suppose it's possible that the dupes intercut with the original camera negative might have faded beyond use, so perhaps they had to access an IP to scan those shots.

Chris

[StingingVelvet]

Rebuying the first one is a no-brainier if the new scan looks good. The others are tougher sells for me, I enjoy them for nostalgia but not sure they need to look gorgeous with my current priorities.

I'll probably buy them f***ing all though.

[BobSimms]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

Unfortunately, I believe the "textless" shots for HALLOWEEN and other opticals (i.e., the portion of the opening POV shot with the "mask" overlaid) are included in the negative trims that were saved from being thrown out by that private collector, so those shots will likely still be scanned from the dupes intercut with the final conformed negative here as opposed to any possible "clean" rebuilds. Maybe not a bad thing, though, as I imagine lots could go wrong trying to match that "mask" overlay and I have no doubt they'd likely mess it up

Dear lord, let’s hope this is the case. I don’t trust anyone. What are some examples of other films that were rescanned and used a physical (not digital) rebuild process for credits and other text overlays? With the types of films I usually buy on Blu-ray, I’m used to seeing the generational loss in quality during opening credits and dissolves, etc., so I didn’t even know rebuilding credits was a “thing”.

[BorisKarloffice]

Originally Posted by BobSimms

Dear lord, let’s hope this is the case. I don’t trust anyone. What are some examples of other films that were rescanned and used a physical (not digital) rebuild process for credits and other text overlays? With the types of films I usually buy on Blu-ray, I’m used to seeing the generational loss in quality during opening credits and dissolves, etc., so I didn’t even know rebuilding credits was a “thing”.

Blue Underground's 4K restoration of House by the Cemetery had its titles rebuilt (the text itself might have been digitally created in the original font, not sure) and they forgot to include one of the location titles.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

What does that mean, huh? "China is here." I don't even know what the hell that means!

But seriously...huh?

Carpenter’s second best film (and one of the greatest films of all time).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

Also re: SpaceBlackKnight's comments re: an IP being used for the dupes, given how unstable the dupe stocks of the 1970s were (CRIs were often used for dupe shots back then), I suppose it's possible that the dupes intercut with the original camera negative might have faded beyond use, so perhaps they had to access an IP to scan those shots.

Chris

Yes but why mention using the “OCN” to rebuild it if said textless trims are not available? Smells ****y to me.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by greendemoncustoms

Why wouldn't they put this in a box.. Seems like a missed opportunity. I'm sure it's licensing but would be nice even to offer a box separately. Super excited about the 4ks tho

A box would be strange in my opinion. It would make it seem like part 5 is where the series ended (which would be pretty funny if that were the case. People would be debating that ending for decades).

[BorisKarloffice]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

A box would be strange in my opinion. It would make it seem like part 5 is where the series ended (which would be pretty funny if that were the case. People would be debating that ending for decades).

Actually, it would have been kind of sick if the original timeline had ended with the exchange after they have Michael in the cell:

"National Guard will take him to a maximum security facility where he'll stay till the day he dies."

"He'll never die."

Roll credits. No explosion and cliffhanger, no H6. Just the thought that Michael is still sitting in a cell somewhere, waiting.

[rocknblues81]

I would like the artwork (If not the original artwork) to have a more ominous look with Annie's house part of it. It's one of my favorite shots in the film.

But I prefer the original art for all the film's.

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by BorisKarloffice

Blue Underground's 4K restoration of House by the Cemetery had its titles rebuilt (the text itself might have been digitally created in the original font, not sure) and they forgot to include one of the location titles.

They also messed up the freeze-frame on the little girl looking out the window of the house at the end of the opening credits.

Chris

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by BorisKarloffice

Actually, it would have been kind of sick if the original timeline had ended with the exchange after they have Michael in the cell:

"National Guard will take him to a maximum security facility where he'll stay till the day he dies."

"He'll never die."

Roll credits. No explosion and cliffhanger, no H6. Just the thought that Michael is still sitting in a cell somewhere, waiting.

With his mask still on, too. Then Halloween 2018 comes out and is a direct sequel to H5. It’s revealed that Sartain is the Man in Black.

[GeoffOliver]

My god, how many times has Halloween's OCN been scanned in the last 20 years? I thought this was only the third time, and that Lionsgate's UHD was sourced from Anchor Bay's 2013 remaster.

Originally Posted by BobSimms

Dear lord, let’s hope this is the case. I don’t trust anyone. What are some examples of other films that were rescanned and used a physical (not digital) rebuild process for credits and other text overlays? With the types of films I usually buy on Blu-ray, I’m used to seeing the generational loss in quality during opening credits and dissolves, etc., so I didn’t even know rebuilding credits was a “thing”.

The Paramount Presents reissue of Hitchcock's To Catch a Thief rebuilt the credits from scratch since the background footage was scanned from the raw OCN (the original Blu-ray was from an IP and uses the original credits). It apparently looks seamless though.

You would think that with today's technology you could both scan the raw negative AND copy over just a scan of the credits from an IP and merge both sources, but I dunno.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by BorisKarloffice

I kid. It just feels like it gets less attention than the earlier films in general.

For me there are two options for the Halloween timeline:

Halloween - Halloween II - H20

Halloween - Halloween 2018

3 is its own thing. 4 and 5 are okay but not essential. 6, Resurrection and the Rob Zombie movies don't exist.

I simply don't take the timeline thing that seriously.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by Kinsella5

I remember reading that test screenings were held early in 2020 for Halloween Kills, before the pandemic kicked in. The screenings went very well, and naturally people went onto Reddit and posted every thing they could remember from start to finish. Unsure how much has changed, if any, from those test screenings though, since the pandemic delayed the original release by a year they could have made some changes post test screenings.

Does the screenings really matter? I mean, the 2018 movie was praised at first, but now seems more disliked than liked.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by BurningAstronaut

They are 7" singles with a song on each side — “both tracks are newly recorded by the trio [John Carpenter, Cody Carpenter and Daniel Davies] and exclusive to this release.”

So they are not the versions found on the original soundtracks, but rather re-recordings.

The first track for the first film is probably the original version.

[gj217]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

The first track for the first film is probably the original version.

Nah. It'll be the "Anthology" album version, which is actually extremely close to the 2018 version.

[Telemachus]

What on Earth should we make of the disc 3 description?

"DISC THREE (Blu-ray):
Original Color Timing Presentation"

Does this mean it's the old 2007 BD? Or is it the old 2013 BD? Or is it a new BD with the DVD era color timing added?

Originally Posted by Brian81

When I saw The Thing in 35mm, I thought at the time that it looked like the HD DVD most, which was available at the time. Which I believe is like the original Uni Blu sans DNR

Yep the HDDVD looks great, I still rock it. I love the orange tint over the others.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Geoff is correct in that text inserts and finished FX conlosites are output on dupe neg/CRIs. But for many films these elements are in a heavily battered state, were misplaced/discarded along the way, or modified optically with new/foreign texts. Sometimes these sections are not always intercut into the OCN due to whatever time or budget issues and are done by the IP/interneg stage.

They would typically remake them digitlally (depending on how common the font is and how much they care about that stuff) or source from later gen film elements (usually a finished 35mm IP or perhaps a 35mm release print).

I believe for Halloween, the textless inserts and clean fx composites from the OCN survive but the dupe/CRI inserts dont. The previous transfer sourced a 35mm IP for those sections to maintain authenticity (and the fact that mask POV shot would be hard to recomp digitally without looking tacky). I believe this new 4k HDR resto redid all the text inserts digitally but sourced the hard to recreate FX stuff from the IP.

[TheSpruceMoose]

I've already got Halloween on 4K, and I enjoyed the picture quality far more than my old 2007 blu ray. Unless its some major, higher than reference quality breakthrough, I'll probably pass. Also have shout's previous Halloween 3 release which holds up well on my screen so I might skip that as well.

As for the others I have a small soft spot for H2, largely for its soundtrack. That'd probably be the one I get, if any. 4 is enjoyable but not something I'd jump to anytime soon, and H5 is one of the most excruciating pop horror movies ever. Donald Pleasance is stellar in it, and Danielle Harris does great with what she's got but the movie was rushed, and it shows.