Deadpool

[KilloWertz]

Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05

Exactly, but with all of the comic films they have done, I would be surprised to see them stray from the PG-13 to do a R one. They already know the films, when PG-13, brings in a lot of money and they might see it as a risk to make Deadpool their first one to go beyond that rating, so they will butcher the crap out of it so more people can see it.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but has Fox had any comic book movies that truly deserved to be made with an R rating? I can't think of any.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05

Exactly, but with all of the comic films they have done, I would be surprised to see them stray from the PG-13 to do a R one. They already know the films, when PG-13, brings in a lot of money and they might see it as a risk to make Deadpool their first one to go beyond that rating, so they will butcher the crap out of it so more people can see it.

Sin City, that's all I'm saying I mean, if it's done on a budget like that and marketed right, this movie could make boatloads of cash juts like that movie did

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by pj_campbell

Sin City, that's all I'm saying I mean, if it's done on a budget like that and marketed right, this movie could make boatloads of cash juts like that movie did

Sin City also had the help of an amazing cast. I hope Deadpool can get as many great actors as that did.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05

I hope that's what they do, but all of their other comic book films have been PG-13. I wouldn't be surprised if they go with a smaller budget and a PG-13 rating. I really don't see them making this a rated R movie, but I hope they do.

They let the director's cut of Daredevil push into R. They could do the same here, or, if they have faith that the fans will deliver in high numbers, let it hit theaters with a full R.

A PG13 is very likely, but I would expect to see a more faithful director's cut on home video if that happens.

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

I can see most comic films being PG-13 but this one must be R so i really hope they go with the lower budget and make it R. Making this PG-13 is like Punisher being PG-13 it should not be done.

It doesn't HAVE to be R. Deadpool is about comedy and action. Yes, some violence would be necessary, but it's easily possible to have good action and reasonable violence on a hard PG-13. Look at the brutality of some of the stuff Wolverine pulls in X2. Just don't pull any blood fountains and it'll be fine. Yeah, some of the comics do push the gore envelope where Tarantinoesque blood fountains would be appropriate, but it's not ABSOLUTELY necessary for the character. In fact, I don't think I'd want to see blood fountains at all unless we get to see Deadpool namedrop Rodriguez and/or Tarantino while it's happening. I only want absurd blood if Deadpool is allowed to lampshade it by pointing out how absurd the fountains are.

Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05

Exactly, but with all of the comic films they have done, I would be surprised to see them stray from the PG-13 to do a R one. They already know the films, when PG-13, brings in a lot of money and they might see it as a risk to make Deadpool their first one to go beyond that rating, so they will butcher the crap out of it so more people can see it.

Sin City was R. It made $158,753,820 in the box office alone.

Watchmen was R. It made $185,258,983 in the box office alone.

Constantine, based on the Hellblazer comics, was rated R. It made $230,884,728 in the box office alone.

300 was R. It made $456,068,181 in the box office alone.

If they could get those kinds of numbers on a budget of "only" ~40m, they'd probably be OK with making it R rated, especially if they know that limiting it to PG-13 would make some fans angry enough to not even bother forking over any money for it. The same sort of fans who proclaimed outrage at what happened in Wolverine. The sort of fan who only saw the Wolverine picture when it was leaked to the Internet, and despite complaining at length about the "epic fail", never even deserved to see the film in the first place.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

It doesn't HAVE to be R. Deadpool is about comedy and action. Yes, some violence would be necessary, but it's easily possible to have good action and reasonable violence on a hard PG-13. Look at the brutality of some of the stuff Wolverine pulls in X2. Just don't pull any blood fountains and it'll be fine. Yeah, some of the comics do push the gore envelope where Tarantinoesque blood fountains would be appropriate, but it's not ABSOLUTELY necessary for the character. In fact, I don't think I'd want to see blood fountains at all unless we get to see Deadpool namedrop Rodriguez and/or Tarantino while it's happening. I only want absurd blood if Deadpool is allowed to lampshade it by pointing out how absurd the fountains are.

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No i'm sorry in my eyes it does. I want and R rating no question about it. Deadpool is one of those characters where i think less then an R is an injustice. That is why i am glad the Punisher movies have all been R so far because they are ment to be just like Deadpool.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

No i'm sorry in my eyes it does. I want and R rating no question about it. Deadpool is one of those characters where i think less then an R is an injustice. That is why i am glad the Punisher movies have all been R so far because they are ment to be just like Deadpool.

I honestly agree. I just don't see a PG-13 version of Deadpool working. Honestly, he's a psychotic, trash talking, cold blooded mercenary. He's half Punisher, half Ryan Reynolds. I mean, Deadpool is heartless, and there is literally no reason to like him other than he's hilarious. He's a dark character, so an R rating really needs to be in place I feel for it to work. Just like I could never see a Punisher movie that's not Rated R. These character doesn't lend itself to being in a less violent and dark medium.

[vegeta88]

It seems the best possible script has been written, or at least a script that is very very good. That script has R written all over it from what I have heard. I have mentioned this with other movies: if they made a great Deadpool movie and it happened to be PG-13, I would be fine with that. If they made a great Deadpool movie that was R and Fox brought it down to PG-13, I would not be fine with that.

We shall see what happens. Fox seems to go back and forth between letting movies go full R and forcing others to drop down a notch.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by vegeta88

It seems the best possible script has been written, or at least a script that is very very good. That script has R written all over it from what I have heard. I have mentioned this with other movies: if they made a great Deadpool movie and it happened to be PG-13, I would be fine with that. If they made a great Deadpool movie that was R and Fox brought it down to PG-13, I would not be fine with that.

We shall see what happens. Fox seems to go back and forth between letting movies go full R and forcing others to drop down a notch.

I feel like if Rodriguez was really involved, we'd get away with an R Rating, just because his movies turn a profit since they're made cheap....Here's hoping he might just produce it so that we might be able to get a cheap, R rated adaption

[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by pj_campbell

I feel like if Rodriguez was really involved, we'd get away with an R Rating, just because his movies turn a profit since they're made cheap....Here's hoping he might just produce it so that we might be able to get a cheap, R rated adaption

That is what I was thinking. Predators was a pretty minimal budget. Then again, I didn't see it so it could just be actors in a jungle

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by vegeta88

That is what I was thinking. Predators was a pretty minimal budget. Then again, I didn't see it so it could just be actors in a jungle

That's exactly what I was thinking And Predators did well enough to warrant a sequel, so if Rodriguez could do the same for Deadpool, I'd be very excited! Just make a killer, low budget action fest with The Merc with a Mouth

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

No i'm sorry in my eyes it does. I want and R rating no question about it. Deadpool is one of those characters where i think less then an R is an injustice. That is why i am glad the Punisher movies have all been R so far because they are ment to be just like Deadpool.

If you want to get into it, Wolverine himself should have R levels of violence.

Does that mean the brutality we've seen in PG-13 isn't enough? Well, I've seen him stab many people in the chest, so I'm satisfied there. I don't need fountains of blood whenever he stabs someone, I don't need him putting his claw through a person's head, I don't need to see him beheading anyone.

And I don't think you understand Deadpool as a character if you would compare him to the Punisher. Deadpool is about humor thanks to his origins as a parody of DC's Deathstroke character. As long as they can pit action/violence alongside HUMOR, it doesn't matter WHAT it's rated. Some of the stuff in the comics has X-rating level bloody violence, but not all of it does.

The ONLY thing they would have to keep out of a PG-13 Deadpool movie would be fountains of blood and absurd cursing. He could still kill, even brutally, they just wouldn't be able to show as much blood. And if you know anything about human physiology, seeing less blood from stabbings and gunshots is more realistic than the kind of stuff we see in things like Kill Bill.

Honestly, he's a psychotic, trash talking, cold blooded mercenary. He's half Punisher, half Ryan Reynolds.

No. He is psychotic, he is trash-talking, he is a cold-blooded mercenary. He's even Ryan Reynolds.

But no part of him is like the Punisher. Punisher is an idealist lethal enforcer. Deadpool is just an assassin, a gun-for-hire. The only thing similar about them is that they're both killers, but so too are many villains in many movies, even ones rated PG-13. Check out the bodycount in a hard PG-13 movie some time.

He's a dark character

Batman was the first dark superhero, and as far as I know, Joker was the first nemesis for a superhero to be a brutal murderer. Was The Dark Knight bad because of a lack of fountains of blood? Would The Dark Knight have been improved by seeing a fountain of blood come from Gambol's mouth as Joker murdered him? Would the film have been improved by seeing Maroni's broken bones in his legs protruding from the flesh after Batman dropped him? Would a few F bombs have made the movie better? Would Ledger's performance have been improved if he had instead said, "This is what ****ing happens when an unstoppable ****ing force meets an immovable piece of ****."?

If they made a great Deadpool movie that was R and Fox brought it down to PG-13, I would not be fine with that.

Even if it was still great as PG-13? Even if the great PG-13 film was released with R-rating level bloody violence in a director's cut?

Look, I want a faithful adaptation more than anyone, but faithfulness to THE CHARACTER does not absolutely REQUIRE Tarantinoesque bloody violence. So long as Deadpool can kill people with a sword and/or gun, I don't care what the film is rated, but I am fully aware that it's possible to do both of those things on a PG-13 film.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

If you want to get into it, Wolverine himself should have R levels of violence.

Does that mean the brutality we've seen in PG-13 isn't enough? Well, I've seen him stab many people in the chest, so I'm satisfied there. I don't need fountains of blood whenever he stabs someone, I don't need him putting his claw through a person's head, I don't need to see him beheading anyone.

And I don't think you understand Deadpool as a character if you would compare him to the Punisher. Deadpool is about humor thanks to his origins as a parody of DC's Deathstroke character. As long as they can pit action/violence alongside HUMOR, it doesn't matter WHAT it's rated. Some of the stuff in the comics has X-rating level bloody violence, but not all of it does.

The ONLY thing they would have to keep out of a PG-13 Deadpool movie would be fountains of blood and absurd cursing. He could still kill, even brutally, they just wouldn't be able to show as much blood. And if you know anything about human physiology, seeing less blood from stabbings and gunshots is more realistic than the kind of stuff we see in things like Kill Bill.


No. He is psychotic, he is trash-talking, he is a cold-blooded mercenary. He's even Ryan Reynolds.

But no part of him is like the Punisher. Punisher is an idealist lethal enforcer. Deadpool is just an assassin, a gun-for-hire. The only thing similar about them is that they're both killers, but so too are many villains in many movies, even ones rated PG-13. Check out the bodycount in a hard PG-13 movie some time.


Batman was the first dark superhero, and as far as I know, Joker was the first nemesis for a superhero to be a brutal murderer. Was The Dark Knight bad because of a lack of fountains of blood? Would The Dark Knight have been improved by seeing a fountain of blood come from Gambol's mouth as Joker murdered him? Would the film have been improved by seeing Maroni's broken bones in his legs protruding from the flesh after Batman dropped him? Would a few F bombs have made the movie better? Would Ledger's performance have been improved if he had instead said, "This is what ****ing happens when an unstoppable ****ing force meets an immovable piece of ****."?


Even if it was still great as PG-13? Even if the great PG-13 film was released with R-rating level bloody violence in a director's cut?

Look, I want a faithful adaptation more than anyone, but faithfulness to THE CHARACTER does not absolutely REQUIRE Tarantinoesque bloody violence. So long as Deadpool can kill people with a sword and/or gun, I don't care what the film is rated, but I am fully aware that it's possible to do both of those things on a PG-13 film.

First off yes i thought Wolverine should have been R i was not on this site at this time to voice my opinion of it but it really should have been R but even that would not have saved it. Also you are putting words into my mouth about Punisher. I never compaired Deadpool to Punisher i only said that Punisher is a series that deserved an R and got it just like Deadpool should get. You can want a PG-13 version all you want but you are not changing my mind one bit.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

No. He is psychotic, he is trash-talking, he is a cold-blooded mercenary. He's even Ryan Reynolds.

But no part of him is like the Punisher. Punisher is an idealist lethal enforcer. Deadpool is just an assassin, a gun-for-hire. The only thing similar about them is that they're both killers, but so too are many villains in many movies, even ones rated PG-13. Check out the bodycount in a hard PG-13 movie some time.

He's like the Punisher in the sense that he kills anyone and everyone who gets in his way. Therefore, a rather high, and in many cases, bloody count. The script reviews said it best that this was like a Kill Bill style of action, so the only way to do that is a good, R rated movie.

Batman was the first dark superhero, and as far as I know, Joker was the first nemesis for a superhero to be a brutal murderer. Was The Dark Knight bad because of a lack of fountains of blood? Would The Dark Knight have been improved by seeing a fountain of blood come from Gambol's mouth as Joker murdered him? Would the film have been improved by seeing Maroni's broken bones in his legs protruding from the flesh after Batman dropped him? Would a few F bombs have made the movie better? Would Ledger's performance have been improved if he had instead said, "This is what ****ing happens when an unstoppable ****ing force meets an immovable piece of ****."?

The Joker has never been knowing for swearing. Deadpool, and characters in the comic has. I want an accurate representation of the comics and characters. I don't need mindless swearing, but I'd like to believe the characters are allowed to swear in this.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

First off yes i thought Wolverine should have been R i was not on this site at this time to voice my opinion of it but it really should have been R but even that would not have saved it. Also you are putting words into my mouth about Punisher. I never compaired Deadpool to Punisher i only said that Punisher is a series that deserved an R and got it just like Deadpool should get. You can want a PG-13 version all you want but you are not changing my mind one bit.

He was talking to me AOD, I compared them

And Afro, I get you think it can be done PG-13. But some of us think it should be R. You aren't really going to sway our decisions. Agree to disagree?

[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

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Even if it was still great as PG-13? Even if the great PG-13 film was released with R-rating level bloody violence in a director's cut? [...]

How would Saving Private Ryan be if it was forced to be PG-13? Shawshank Redemption? Yes, I am using classic/well-respected movies, but that shouldn't make a difference. If the R version is great, that means (to me) that everything in the film is important, to cut or edit or censor would be to take out parts of what makes it great. I don't want senseless cussing unless it is for a reason; in which case, it is no longer senseless.

If The Dark Knight was rated R, it would be a very different film, even if everything else was the same. Would it be better? Who knows? All I know is that it would be very different. Handled under Nolan (rather than say Tarantino) it could be a lot more dramatic and powerful.

All I want is for Fox to stay out of the picture when it comes to the content. Though I do understand that they are just trying to do business and they would probably make more money by forcing a PG-13 rating.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by pj_campbell

He's like the Punisher in the sense that he kills anyone and everyone who gets in his way. Therefore, a rather high, and in many cases, bloody count. The script reviews said it best that this was like a Kill Bill style of action, so the only way to do that is a good, R rated movie.



The Joker has never been knowing for swearing. Deadpool, and characters in the comic has. I want an accurate representation of the comics and characters. I don't need mindless swearing, but I'd like to believe the characters are allowed to swear in this.

I fully agree with you. If Afrobean worked for Fox then we would definitley get it PG-13. Nobody can change my mind that this in an R rated type movie.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by vegeta88

How would Saving Private Ryan be if it was forced to be PG-13? Shawshank Redemption? Yes, I am using classic/well-respected movies, but that shouldn't make a difference. If the R version is great, that means (to me) that everything in the film is important, to cut or edit or censor would be to take out parts of what makes it great. I don't want senseless cussing unless it is for a reason; in which case, it is no longer senseless.

If The Dark Knight was rated R, it would be a very different film, even if everything else was the same. Would it be better? Who knows? All I know is that it would be very different. Handled under Nolan (rather than say Tarantino) it could be a lot more dramatic and powerful.

All I want is for Fox to stay out of the picture when it comes to the content. Though I do understand that they are just trying to do business and they would probably make more money by forcing a PG-13 rating.

Exactly, that's what I want too. I just feel like the fact the script is so hard R that messing with it and forcing a PG-13 is really going to take away from what Reynolds and the writers were going for. Who knows, maybe forcing the R rating would make Reynolds walk from the project because he feels like it's really hurting the movie. And that's something none of us wants

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

I fully agree with you. If Afrobean worked for Fox then we would definitley get it PG-13. Nobody can change my mind that this in an R rated type movie.

I'm glad we agree

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

I fully agree with you. If Afrobean worked for Fox then we would definitley get it PG-13. Nobody can change my mind that this in an R rated type movie.

I don't WANT PG13, I just am aware that a good and faithful film could be made without forcing the director to ape Tarantino's visual style. To demand a certain rating is foolish; all I desire is a good film.

And it doesn't matter if the script says there should be fountains of blood. What matters is how the director stages it, what their vision is, and how the film is edited. Another director could take the very same shooting script that Nolan used for The Dark Knight and make it from a hard PG13 into a hard R.

[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by pj_campbell

Exactly, that's what I want too. I just feel like the fact the script is so hard R that messing with it and forcing a PG-13 is really going to take away from what Reynolds and the writers were going for. Who knows, maybe forcing the R rating would make Reynolds walk from the project because he feels like it's really hurting the movie. And that's something none of us wants

Maybe maybe not. Reynolds did go through XO: Wolverine to get here
If I was Ryan Reynolds, I would do the movie regardless. PG-13 almost guarantees more money. More money helps build toward a sequel. Then again, Reynolds has about 50 movies on his to do list and a Deadpool movie that falls below his expectations could push it off his schedule.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by vegeta88

Maybe maybe not. Reynolds did go through XO: Wolverine to get here
If I was Ryan Reynolds, I would do the movie regardless. PG-13 almost guarantees more money. More money helps build toward a sequel. Then again, Reynolds has about 50 movies on his to do list and a Deadpool movie that falls below his expectations could push it off his schedule.

He's also said the way Deadpool was depicted in XO was not how he was told the character was going to be portrayed. He's been vocal about the treatment of Deadpool in that movie, so I'd say it's a safe bet he'd walk if he didn't like what Fox was trying to do, considering he's got a full plate of work right now