Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Bluyoda]

Why is someone not allowed to prefer the PT to the OT? Is it a crime?
Is it an obvious sign of bad taste?
Who are you to judge?

Perhaps they see these movies in the right light?

The PT has a LOT going for it, and those with open minds can see how deep they are.
No, they don't have same old Han Solo and the walking carpet , but you will get that with TFA anyways, so just get over it.

I think ROTS is the best film of the entire saga, followed by TESB, but I consider them 1 movie, so it's of little consequence.

I couldn't agree more with the second guy to the left in the video I posted.
I have been saying that for years.

I, for one, will be eternally grateful to George Lucas for having made the PT, and think that the backlash he received is by far the most uncalled for injustice ever to happen to a filmmaker. It's tragic really.

Btw., I am not trolling. This is "The Complete Saga" thread after all.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Why is someone not allowed to prefer the PT to the OT? Is it a crime?
Is it an obvious sign of bad taste?
Who are you to judge?

Perhaps they see these movies in the right light?

The PT has a LOT going for it, and those with open minds can see how deep they are.
No, they don't have same old Han Solo and the walking carpet , but you will get that with TFA anyways, so just get over it.

I think ROTS is the best film of the entire saga, followed by TESB, but I consider them 1 movie, so it's of little consequence.

I couldn't agree more with the second guy to the left in the video I posted.
I have been saying that for years.

I, for one, will be eternally grateful to George Lucas for having made the PT, and think that the backlash he received is by far the most uncalled for injustice ever to happen to a filmmaker. It's tragic really.

Btw., I am not trolling. This is "The Complete Saga" thread after all.

PREACH!

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Perhaps they see these movies in the right light?

The PT has a LOT going for it, and those with open minds can see how deep they are.

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Btw., I am not trolling. This is "The Complete Saga" thread after all.

Ah, so people are open minded only if they like the prequels and appreciate how (chuckle) deep they are eh? Yeah, saying stuff like that is in no way whatsoever the behavior of a troll

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

No, they don't have same old Han Solo and the walking carpet , but you will get that with TFA anyways, so just get over it.

People don't hate the prequels because they don't have "same old Han Solo and the walking carpet". People hate the prequels because they're badly written, badly acted and badly directed films, so just get over it.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Perhaps they see these movies in the right light?

Maybe that's it - the backlight must have to go out on your HDTV to really appreciate them.








(KIDDING! Sorry, but that was just soooo wide open for that, I had no choice...)

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Who are you to judge?

Perhaps they see these movies in the right light?

That's impressive.

'Who are you to judge' followed immediately by the suggestion that there's a 'right' way to look at these movies.

Very well done.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Why is someone not allowed to prefer the PT to the OT? Is it a crime?
Is it an obvious sign of bad taste?
Who are you to judge?

Perhaps they see these movies in the right light?

The PT has a LOT going for it, and those with open minds can see how deep they are.
No, they don't have same old Han Solo and the walking carpet , but you will get that with TFA anyways, so just get over it.

I think ROTS is the best film of the entire saga, followed by TESB, but I consider them 1 movie, so it's of little consequence.

I couldn't agree more with the second guy to the left in the video I posted.
I have been saying that for years.

I, for one, will be eternally grateful to George Lucas for having made the PT, and think that the backlash he received is by far the most uncalled for injustice ever to happen to a filmmaker. It's tragic really.

Btw., I am not trolling. This is "The Complete Saga" thread after all.

It doesn't matter to me one way or the other what movies people like, but you are in the extreme minority.

I don't hate the prequels and enjoy elements of them. As a huge Star Wars fan, I still watch them from time to time. But, there are a lot of flaws with them (from acting to scripting to too much CG, etc.) and objectively speaking, I just don't think they are very good movies. I wouldn't say they are horrible, but not well put together and definitely missing the magic.

The originals (especially Star Wars and Empire) were not only very innovative, but created characters which everyone clamored to whether good or evil (there were probably as many Darth Vader fans as Luke Skywalker). You had true iconic characters. You had zero with that regarding the prequels.

But the originals were also better written, better acted, and better directed...and the models in the originals look better than the best of CG in the prequels.

[crazyBLUE]

Just wondering if you guys are done ~ After reading the last few pages today I will clean a lot out & many will pay for it just because you did it & you did it before? Please do not make me close it & clean it for I already know who has A time out coming

[stvn1974]

This discussion is awesome.

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[CGHULK]

http://forums.superherohype.com/show...&postcount=207

Originally Posted by HarryOsborn

The fact is there are two types of people who like the prequels:

1. People who see the genuine high points of these films- that everyone should really acknowledge, regardless of their preference on the final product.
2. People who will like anything Star Wars regardless.

As well there are two type of people who dislike the prequels:

1. People who see genuine flaws in these films- that everyone should acknowledge, regardless of their preference on the final product.
2. People who hate anything new.

See both extremes are bad and are a result of one not thinking for themselves.

The cons that are impossible to dispute beyond the "lala I'm not going to listen to you" defense:

The films had terribly written dialogue.
They were not structured in a traditional sense- which many consider to be a standard used to judge a movie's quality.
The shot composition and direction was lazy and none of the exposition is given through action or communication during events, it's given in conversations taking place as the actors slowly pace around or sit down on a couch.
Everything is shot in shot reverse shot
The outline of events from the original trilogy is called into question
Lucas horribly directed the Oscar winner Natalie Portman and the decent Hayden Christensen, while only allowing classically trained actors he respected (Christopher Lee and Ian McDirmott) to challenge him.

The pros that are impossible to dispute beyond the "lala I'm not going to listen to you" defense:

Ian McDirmott as the Emperor
Darth Plagueis the Wise's story
The duel of fates
The Space Battle in Sith
Ewan McGreggor as Obi-Wan
CGI Yoda
The ground breaking CGI effects
The guys who played most of the extras and minor characters in Phantom Menace
Zod as Valorem
Darth Maul

People who defend these movies get way too defensive. I find it impossible to believe a grown man who's ever been on a successful date or has laid with a woman actually thinks the love story in Clones was engaging or anything short of uncomfortable. I find it hard to believe anyone though the shot choreography was interesting or inspired. I find it hard to believe none of these criticisms strike a cord with any of you.

Look no one is saying you guys can't like these movies, I also think people who say anything negative about any of the good qualities I listed are not simply being closed minded. The point is there's legitimate criticism to be made and you can recognize these flaws without changing your stance that you like these movies. Too many people take constructive criticism as some sort of personal affront to their livelihood.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

People don't hate the prequels because they don't have "same old Han Solo and the walking carpet". People hate the prequels because they're badly written, badly acted and badly directed films, so just get over it.

So is the Original Trilogy!

[StingingVelvet]

Prequel hate and prequel love are both silly. Those films are smack dab in the middle of the scale at thoroughly mediocre. Kinda like Marvel's Thor movies.

[CGHULK]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

So is the Original Trilogy!

Globally the originally trilogy was loved by the movie audience. Still there's a large love for them as well! I have yet to find anyone besides the small group of people on the internet that loves the prequels. I have yet to find anyone I've spoken to out in the real world that likes the prequels. Even at the last Star Wars convention the prequels were barely represented by the fans, panels and with the vendors.

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Prequel hate and prequel love are both silly. Those films are smack dab in the middle of the scale at thoroughly mediocre. Kinda like Marvel's Thor movies.

Well The Empire Strikes Back is considered one of the best movies ever made.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

So is the Original Trilogy!

The myriad issues that plagued the prequels would first rear their tedious heads in Jedi but Star Wars and Empire were virtually flawless.

[CGHULK]

Originally Posted by octagon

The myriad issues that plagued the prequels would first rear their tedious heads in Jedi but Star Wars and Empire were virtually flawless.

Exactly, they are classics. Star Wars (1977) is in AFI 's top 100 best films. When AFI gave George Lucas his life time achievement award there was no mention of the prequels for a good reason!

[Bluyoda]

It doesn't matter to me how much you try to discredit my statements.
If you don't get it, you just don't get it, and I just feel sorry for you guys.
No harm done.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

So is the Original Trilogy!

The OT is the holy grail and if it wasn't for the OT there would be no PT either

[Pulp Hero]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

... People hate the prequels because they're badly written, badly acted and badly directed films, so just get over it.

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

So is the Original Trilogy!

Please excuse my interjection, but I thought some support for Gold Ranger's quick comment (and others more extensive comments) would prove enlightening in regards to people thinking that only the prequel trilogy has problems.

First up, folks may want to go to their Star Wars DVDs (assuming you still have them) and re-watch the EMPIRE OF DREAMS documentary. Even actors at the time, specifically Alec Guiness (as seen in the documentary) said things like "nobody talks like this" when describing the dialogue of SW: ANH -- the dialogue of the prequel movies is often held up as one of the prequels' more heinous crimes.

Now, onto the apple of many of SW fan's eye, SW: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Period reviews are fascinating things and give us a clear look at opinion at the time a movie was originally released. The NY Times has their 1980 review up for ESB online for anyone to read should they want to, here are a few excerpts that could be confused for reviews of the prequel movies if certain specifics were to be replaced with details from the prequels.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/061580empire.html

Confession: When I went to see "The Empire Strikes Back" I found myself glancing at my watch almost as often as I did when I was sitting through a truly terrible movie called "The Island."

Ordinarily when one reviews a movie one attempts to tell a little something about the story. It's a measure of my mixed feelings about "The Empire Strikes Back" that I'm not at all sure that I understand the plot. That was actually one of the more charming conceits of "Star Wars," which began with a long, intensely complicated message about who was doing what to whom in the galactic confrontations we were about to witness and which, when we did see them, looked sort of like a game of neighborhood hide-and-seek at the Hayden Planetarium. One didn't worry about its politics. One only had to distinguish the good persons from the bad. This is pretty much the way one is supposed to feel about "The Empire Strikes Back," but one's impulse to know, to understand, cannot be arrested indefinitely without doing psychic damage or, worse, without risking boredom.

I'm not as bothered by the film's lack of resolution as I am about my suspicion that I really don't care. After one has one's fill of the special effects and after one identifies the source of the facetious banter that passes for wit between Han Solo and Leia (it's straight out of B-picture comedies of the 30's), there isn't a great deal for the eye or the mind to focus on. Ford, as cheerfully nondescript as one could wish a comic strip hero to be, and Miss Fisher, as sexlessly pretty as the base of a porcelain lamp, become (is it rude to say?) tiresome. One finally looks around them, even through them, at the decor. If Miss Fisher does much more of this sort of thing, she's going to wind up with the Vera Hruba Ralston Lifetime Achievement Award.

...Who, exactly, did what in this movie? I cannot tell, and even a certain knowledge of Kershner's past work ("Eyes of Laura Mars," "The Return of a Man Called Horse," "Loving") gives me no hints about the extent of his contributions to this movie. "The Empire Strikes Back" is about as personal as a Christmas card from a bank.

[filmmusic]

I think the importance and artistic merit of the original trilogy is already documented in history, and we really don't have to defend it.
it's a FACT!

But saying that the prequel trilogy is better than the original trilogy sounds to me like someone says:
Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous is a better film than 2001: A Space Odyssey.

[CGHULK]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

I think the importance and artistic merit of the original trilogy is already documented in history, and we really don't have to defend it.
it's a FACT!

Oh yes, of course!

Originally Posted by filmmusic

But saying that the prequel trilogy is better than the original trilogy sounds to me like someone says:
Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous is a better film than 2001: A Space Odyssey.

[DocLathropBrown]

The bigger issue? The elitism.

Are the prequels bad movies? It's subjective. I don't care how many thousands of nerds agree about it, it doesn't make them right. If someone likes the prequels... that's it. They have every right to. No quantifiable force (!) like God has come down and declared them bad films. Thereby, they're not officially bad films. It's. Subjective.

The real issue is that the people who don't like them can't let people go ahead and like them. And that's not only childish, but elitist, rude and inconsiderate. George Lucas raped your childhood? It can't be, since it sounds like you're still living it.

Here's an idea: if you don't like the prequels, but someone else does, just say "I didn't like them, but that's great for you" and be done with it. Be respectful and adult, for crying out-loud.