Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[crs]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

At least give us a brief review/opinion of the PQ/AQ. How does TPM look? Do the OT films look great or are they disappointing?

I haven't actually gotten to play any of the discs yet. It's been a busy day, so it probably won't happen before tomorrow. I have hardly even had time to eat.

[Snowmaker]

Originally Posted by crs

I have hardly even had time to eat.

Dammit, man! Priorities!

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by DarthMarino

Have you seen the shots from Empire?

I've seen a few that looked magenta/pink but they seemed to have a decent core. Did I miss something?

[Snowmaker]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

But is it region free or does it play on Region A?

All sets are region free.

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by powerknowledge

So, the PT DVD deleted scenes AREN'T present? The confusion on this point is driving me nuts. :P

Looks like it. The deleted scenes, documentaries, and possibly the trailers. I held onto TPM, but I may have to rebuy Episodes II & III to have those other deleted scenes. That would be really annoying, even if they can be had cheap on eBay.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by Romansh

I've seen a few that looked magenta/pink but they seemed to have a decent core. Did I miss something?

My last post...

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Trying to end this pointless debate, here´s again what Kevin Smith said about the uproar that´s going on on the interwebs. Pretty well put.

Originally Posted by Beast

So... it's okay for people to link to people that agree with them if they hate the release....

But I link to someone who agrees with me about the release and I'm the bad guy? Yeah, someone's biased.

You guys are more than welcome to your opinion of these new versions. However, I do find the quoting of Kevin Smith's quotes on this matter to be rather ironic.

Whenever someone quotes a celebrity or professional critic with a less than favorable opinion of these tpyes of issues, you guys (Beast inparticular, though not exclusively) tend to shut those down saying things like "Who cares? That's just one person's opinion and they are no more special than anyone else" and other things of that nature.

So, it is ironic that the split second that someone with any degree of fame says something in defense of Lucas, you jump all over it and feel the need to show it to everyone else.

And it's Kevin Smith of all people. Now, I have nothing against him. In fact, I'm actually a pretty big fan of him and his askewniverse movies. I actually met him a couple of times at some Wizard World conventions... been to a few Q&As, gotten some autographs and pics with him, etc.

But having said that, it's not exactly like he is some professional critic who's opinion should be heald in a particularly high regard in these matters. If anything, he's likely biased in the sense that a big part of his career has involved making Star Wars references in his movies, and he likely doesn't want to do much to upset George Lucas as a result. As such, even if he was angry over the Blu-Ray changes, I doubt that he would stir that pot too much, despite his tendency to lay into people who do things to upset him. Plus the man does really enjoy seeing his own name in print and mentioned on TV, etc (he actually thought it was funny when they made fun of him on Entourage). I'm sure he probably loves Lucas for the simple fact that Lucas made reference to the "Independent Contractors" conversation from Clerks in the Episode II commentary.

Now, Smith is entitled to his opinion on this as well. And it's otherwise fine if you guys want to point out that he is taking George's side on this. But the irony you even bringing it up is still funny given how you guys have so quickly shot down the opinions of any other celebritiy/professional who chimed in with an opposing view, with all due respect.

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Just a question... why should anyone wait for the release to decide they don't like the additional footage and changes? Just as a 2-week reprieve?

I mean it's not like they are going to magically change things back before it comes out, I'm pretty sure if you don't like Darth saying "Nooo" in those clips you aren't going to have much of a change of heart just because the clock strikes 12 on the 16th.

Has there been anything come to light to indicate that these changes are a hoax? (Fingers crossed).

Originally Posted by Jay444

Exactly! I cannot understand why people say: "See it in context of the movie when you have the blu ray." Its safe to say most of us have seen Jedi close to 100 times. I don't need to see the full film to know that: "I just do not like this change." I think this is Lucasfilms' way of saying: Please give us your money first, each set includes a special "right to complain about the Blu Ray changes Token" that is activated via online web forums of your choosing. Ugh.

Sadly, it is not a hoax (I was wishing too), but Lucasfilm confirmed it.

Yeah, I don't get comments like the ones mentioned in these two quotes either. It's obvious by now that these "rips" that leaked out are from the Blu-Ray release, and therefore rather accurately represent what we are going to be getting. Waiting 2 more weeks for the actual discs isn't going to drastically change things. What do people expect/think? That the color timing issues were completely 100% properly fixed for this Blu-Ray release, but that somehow in the process of these files being "ripped" and uploaded onto the internet, the coloring not only got messed up in that process, but ended up looking pretty much identical to the 2004 color timing (save for the few touched up shots)? Or that the changes we've seen won't be on the discs when we get them? Sorry, anyone thinking this is fooling themselves. It's been confirmed that these are the real deal.


As for the arguments saying that we should wait to see the changes in "context".... Seeing just the "Noooooo" scene by itself already tells us what that scene will be like when/if we watch the Blu-Ray (I say "if" for those who are on the fense about getting it or plan not to buy it... I DO plan to still get it, for the record). I don't understand all of this "context" nonsense. It's not like people sitting down and watching this version of ROTJ all of the way through (after having seen the previous editions of the movies many times) is somehow going to alter their perception of this new change or something, or any others that they may not like for that matter. It's not as if people who have watched that clip on youtube many times and hated it each time are going to suddenly sit through the entire movie, get to that scene, watch it, and go, "Oh, that was lovely! So much better than just watching the clip by itself!"


I'm not thrilled with the change. I was much angrier the first couple of times I've seen it. I've gotten more "used" to it, but I would still prefer it not be there. I will still get the set, but I can more than understand why some people would choose not to.

Originally Posted by Jay444

I think there is just a whole lot of disappointment that lead to some very nasty reactions and I know its a turn off for you as you view these films as entertainment, which is exactly what they are. Some take it a lil bit more seriously.

But Let's face it, Lucasfilm did get a LOT of hopes up by saying "we fixed things!" when in reality that appears to not really be the truth (insert 'certain POV pun here). Lucas then adding in two needless lines to one of the OT's most powerful moments (imo) really was insult to injury. For that select group, they will react harshly when they feel they have been lied to and then given the middle finger immediately there after.

I don't think there is a soul here whom did not anticipate some changes. I welcome the Ewoks blinking, that is nice! But taking a scene that is built with QUIET emotion and altering it to having the subtley of a sledghammer...yeah, that was the 'line in the sand Donny!" I am voicing my disappointment with my wallet though.

Anyway, I know your feelings (I read everyone of your posts typically, prob something to do with your Hepburn avatar...lol, yeah I dig her) and I hope you enjoy the set (Now to quote by boy KennyK...lol..) "in full HD with 6.1 sound!"

Yeah, this is very well said. I, too, think that pretty much everyone was expecting further changes. I know that I was. And most of the brand new changes don't bother me much, or are otherwise welcome.

Wicket's eyes are fine. The rocks in front of R2 are fine with the exception of the continuity error that they create shortly thereafter when they suddenly disappear.

The only new changes that I don't care for are the "No. Noooo" and Obi Wan's new sound in ANH (I just laugh each time I hear it). And the fact that most of the color timing issues from 2004 weren't corrected, when we were told that they would be. There are clearly some false/misleading statements coming out of Lucasfilm in that regard. I think there is at least some basis for people to argue false advertising.

Originally Posted by shelldweller

I see what you mean. I think it is not about the word at all. Many people in this thread are waiting for month to start a riot. They were just waiting for ANY detail about a change to go wild about it. We know for months that changes will be made. It´s been officially confirmed by Lucasfilm.

Before the changes were spotted people were tearing the Set apart out of thin air ...

They simply love to hate it. I´ll never get it!

This really isn't true. This is how you and some others on "that side" of the fence see it because you just tend to lump all negative comments into one big blob and you don't see the individual points/complaints.

The biggest thing that we were hoping for was the 2004 color timing issues to be corrected. The images coming out of that comic-con booth/display were strongly indicating that the color timing issues were still there, as was frequently pointed out by Adywan and a few other people. These are not things that were pulled out of "thin air", we had footage being shown to promote the Blu-Rays that was supposedly from the source. But there were those who were in denial saying that it either looked fine, or that we should reserve judgement until the actual product is released.

Now these 'rips' showed up a few days ago, and it's proven this to still be the case. Of course there's still a handful of people who want to deny this as being from the source and say we should still hold judgement until we have the actual discs. Somehow I doubt the case is going to change very much between now and then, and we already have at least 1 forum member who actually has the discs in hand now. How much more waiting for confirmation do we need to get?

I think most everyone expected additional changes. Just nobody wanted any more changes that would screw up the dynamic of a major scene. Well, for many this "No. Nooooooo." thing did exactly that. You may not feel the same way, and that's fine, but many others do feel this way. If the color timing issues had been corrected and if this addition hadn't happened, I don't think the complaints would be nearly as bad as they are now. Most of the other stuff is easy to overlook (well, the Obi Wan howl is laughable, but that's about it). I don't think anyone realistically expected other past changes (i.e. Greedo shooting first, Hayden in ROTJ) to be gone from this release.

You need to learn to differentiate these things rather than just lumping any and all complaints as being one and the same. Maybe then you will have an easier time "getting it", even if you don't agree with it.

[DarthMarino]

Originally Posted by Romansh

I've seen a few that looked magenta/pink but they seemed to have a decent core. Did I miss something?

Yes:

[Show spoiler]

[Rizor]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

And the Rings Trilogy didn't have the trailers either...

The theatrical BDs have every trailer for the trilogy presented in glorious HD! It's really the saving grace of that set.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by crs

That's a tough one. I think there are a couple of online stores in Sweden (they have this set also) that ships internationally, but I can't say for sure if it's just within the EU or also the US. You'll probably have to dig around a bit when the release date has gone by. I could probably also help you out. Be aware, the set will definitely cost you more than buying the US one.

Cool. Thanks for the info and the offer. I'll probably pass for now, but I'll let you know if I change my mind on it (if you are still willing to help should that happen). Honestly there's a good chance that I'm just going to get the US set. The disc art isn't THAT important to me, and I don't care for the cover of the box regardless of whether I get it from the US or Europe... and I'm probably just going to go with custom labels in regular Blu-Ray cases anyway. It's just that from a functional standpoint, I do prefer the set that you got over the US one if I inteded to keep the discs in the original packaging. I prefer to have the discs in regular hubs than in those sliding cardboard trays or whatever.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by mvckalel

For those of us who actually enjoy the PT, any info on how the podrace and the battle of Coruscant look??

Oh, and still no known exclusives other than BB's film cell?

I won't know until Monday, but I'll be sure to post my thoughts.

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

To those who are boycotting this set, I really feel bad for you. I honestly do. Come September 16th I will be having the time of my life enjoying these films in glorious blu ray with lossless audio.

[vidjunkie]

So do we know anything at all about any Store exclusives when this hits the shelves, like does Target, Walmart, Best Buy, etc. have anything to offer?

I know back when the Limited Editions came out Walmart had Episode IV, V and VI action figure sets, just curious if any Store is going to be "trying" to get you to buy there with some kind of gimmick or exclusive.

Thanks

[octagon]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Trying to end this pointless debate, here´s again what Kevin Smith said about the uproar that´s going on on the interwebs. Pretty well put.

"As a guy who saw the first one in the movie theatres. I literally saw Return Of The Jedi 1983 at the Middletown Multiplex in the big theatre - 500 seater it was… As a dude who was there all I can say is this: "Who gives a shit?" Can you imagine somebody being mad at this? It's his movie. It will never be perfect to him. He is the craftsman he says "It's not finished. I'll change it." His thinking is unconventional. It irritates geeks and stuff like that. There were moments when it irritated me. But at the same time you gotta appreciate what a visionary brought to the movies in the first place. If the visionary´s like: "Look, I'm not done. There's more. I can take it and change it every time the medium changes or every time technology changes" - You gotta respect that! There are changes being made like Greedo shooting first where I'm like "Are you out of your mind?" They are his characters he can do what he wants with. This one isn't even egregious. It's like, well, he threw a sound-effect in. But you should see people online: "He's doing it again! Raping our childhood, this Lucas!" It's crazy! It's not for you! He's making it for your kids, my kids everyone who hasn't seen Return Of The Jedi before and isn't gonna know that this yell wasn't there the first time. And if nobody told me I doubt I'd ever had known. I remember seeing the scene and they cut to Vader and he just stares as the Emperor is doing this to his kid, and they do that two times and then finally he gets up… And it always felt like there was an emotive that was just missing. Throw it in! Im all for it!"

Yes, Kevin. That's always been Vader's problem. Not enough William Shatner.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by crs

Here we go, pic-o-rama!

Note, this is the North European set. Unlike possibly the UK set however, this one has no age rating logos anywhere. The packaging, booklet and disc labels are entirely in English. As with the Alien set, I assume packaging will be localized in the German, French, Spanish, Italian etc releases.

The discs are conveniently placed in a digipack stack that you flip like a book. This slides into a thick & sturdy slipbox. I didn't bother to take pics of every disc.

[Show spoiler]

The booklet has a lot of art as well as a list of the extras. Note, I did not take pics of every page in the booklet.

I don't have capabilities to capture digital screenshots, so I can't help anyone there, unfortunately.

Some work went into this, so hope you enjoy!

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Slipbox, front




Slipbox, back




Slipbox, spine




Spec sheet "top hat"




Digipack stack








Booklet

Awesome... just awesome. Man, those look great. I wish the US version had the disks with pics. Very cool.

I love all the pics/inserts - so psyched to see my favorite 6 movies.... in HD and LOSSLESS sound...

[MrJoeKalel]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Looks like it. The deleted scenes, documentaries, and possibly the trailers. I held onto TPM, but I may have to rebuy Episodes II & III to have those other deleted scenes. That would be really annoying, even if they can be had cheap on eBay.

I think that for the first time I'll do a custom case, especially made for the DVD extras from Episodes I-III and the OT.

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by Rizor

The theatrical BDs have every trailer for the trilogy presented in glorious HD! It's really the saving grace of that set.

I think they even have the trailers on the DVDs in the set as well. So you get them in both HD and SD for good measure. If they're left off of the SW set, that's inexcusable.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

You know, with all the dwelling on PQ and changes, fixes, music channels, etc. - I don't think I ever examined the list of extra features on the box set. Now looking at those listings...

F**K

Are you being drawn to the Dark side now?
I think so.... to funny. I saw the pics of the set and man I am excited.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Are you being drawn to the Dark side now?
I think so.... to funny. I saw the pics of the set and man I am excited.

Seeing as how I was counseling others the other day not to back down, I think not.

Doesn't mean I'm not feeling the devil on my shoulder, though.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

You guys are more than welcome to your opinion of these new versions. However, I do find the quoting of Kevin Smith's quotes on this matter to be rather ironic.

Whenever someone quotes a celebrity or professional critic with a less than favorable opinion of these tpyes of issues, you guys (Beast inparticular, though not exclusively) tend to shut those down saying things like "Who cares? That's just one person's opinion and they are no more special than anyone else" and other things of that nature.

So, it is ironic that the split second that someone with any degree of fame says something in defense of Lucas, you jump all over it and feel the need to show it to everyone else.

And it's Kevin Smith of all people. Now, I have nothing against him. In fact, I'm actually a pretty big fan of him and his askewniverse movies. I actually met him a couple of times at some Wizard World conventions... been to a few Q&As, gotten some autographs and pics with him, etc.

But having said that, it's not exactly like he is some professional critic who's opinion should be heald in a particularly high regard in these matters. If anything, he's likely biased in the sense that a big part of his career has involved making Star Wars references in his movies, and he likely doesn't want to do much to upset George Lucas as a result. As such, even if he was angry over the Blu-Ray changes, I doubt that he would stir that pot too much, despite his tendency to lay into people who do things to upset him. Plus the man does really enjoy seeing his own name in print and mentioned on TV, etc (he actually thought it was funny when they made fun of him on Entourage). I'm sure he probably loves Lucas for the simple fact that Lucas made reference to the "Independent Contractors" conversation from Clerks in the Episode II commentary.

Now, Smith is entitled to his opinion on this as well. And it's otherwise fine if you guys want to point out that he is taking George's side on this. But the irony you even bringing it up is still funny given how you guys have so quickly shot down the opinions of any other celebritiy/professional who chimed in with an opposing view, with all due respect.









Yeah, I don't get comments like the ones mentioned in these two quotes either. It's obvious by now that these "rips" that leaked out are from the Blu-Ray release, and therefore rather accurately represent what we are going to be getting. Waiting 2 more weeks for the actual discs isn't going to drastically change things. What do people expect/think? That the color timing issues were completely 100% properly fixed for this Blu-Ray release, but that somehow in the process of these files being "ripped" and uploaded onto the internet, the coloring not only got messed up in that process, but ended up looking pretty much identical to the 2004 color timing (save for the few touched up shots)? Or that the changes we've seen won't be on the discs when we get them? Sorry, anyone thinking this is fooling themselves. It's been confirmed that these are the real deal.


As for the arguments saying that we should wait to see the changes in "context".... Seeing just the "Noooooo" scene by itself already tells us what that scene will be like when/if we watch the Blu-Ray (I say "if" for those who are on the fense about getting it or plan not to buy it... I DO plan to still get it, for the record). I don't understand all of this "context" nonsense. It's not like people sitting down and watching this version of ROTJ all of the way through (after having seen the previous editions of the movies many times) is somehow going to alter their perception of this new change or something, or any others that they may not like for that matter. It's not as if people who have watched that clip on youtube many times and hated it each time are going to suddenly sit through the entire movie, get to that scene, watch it, and go, "Oh, that was lovely! So much better than just watching the clip by itself!"


I'm not thrilled with the change. I was much angrier the first couple of times I've seen it. I've gotten more "used" to it, but I would still prefer it not be there. I will still get the set, but I can more than understand why some people would choose not to.






Yeah, this is very well said. I, too, think that pretty much everyone was expecting further changes. I know that I was. And most of the brand new changes don't bother me much, or are otherwise welcome.

Wicket's eyes are fine. The rocks in front of R2 are fine with the exception of the continuity error that they create shortly thereafter when they suddenly disappear.

The only new changes that I don't care for are the "No. Noooo" and Obi Wan's new sound in ANH (I just laugh each time I hear it). And the fact that most of the color timing issues from 2004 weren't corrected, when we were told that they would be. There are clearly some false/misleading statements coming out of Lucasfilm in that regard. I think there is at least some basis for people to argue false advertising.




This really isn't true. This is how you and some others on "that side" of the fence see it because you just tend to lump all negative comments into one big blob and you don't see the individual points/complaints.

The biggest thing that we were hoping for was the 2004 color timing issues to be corrected. The images coming out of that comic-con booth/display were strongly indicating that the color timing issues were still there, as was frequently pointed out by Adywan and a few other people. These are not things that were pulled out of "thin air", we had footage being shown to promote the Blu-Rays that was supposedly from the source. But there were those who were in denial saying that it either looked fine, or that we should reserve judgement until the actual product is released.

Now these 'rips' showed up a few days ago, and it's proven this to still be the case. Of course there's still a handful of people who want to deny this as being from the source and say we should still hold judgement until we have the actual discs. Somehow I doubt the case is going to change very much between now and then, and we already have at least 1 forum member who actually has the discs in hand now. How much more waiting for confirmation do we need to get?

I think most everyone expected additional changes. Just nobody wanted any more changes that would screw up the dynamic of a major scene. Well, for many this "No. Nooooooo." thing did exactly that. You may not feel the same way, and that's fine, but many others do feel this way. If the color timing issues had been corrected and if this addition hadn't happened, I don't think the complaints would be nearly as bad as they are now. Most of the other stuff is easy to overlook (well, the Obi Wan howl is laughable, but that's about it). I don't think anyone realistically expected other past changes (i.e. Greedo shooting first, Hayden in ROTJ) to be gone from this release.

You need to learn to differentiate these things rather than just lumping any and all complaints as being one and the same. Maybe then you will have an easier time "getting it", even if you don't agree with it.

I´m not trying to convince you to share my opinion. These movies are supposed to be fun, you know!?

[Merlinpants]

The opinion of someone that worked on the films, Phil Tippett. His opinion might just surprise you.

http://m.movies.com/movie-news/phil-...star-wars/4324