Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by retablo

But the "whole" story is the entire 6 films... and since you've already seen the prequels, you can't just unlearn Lucas's intentions. Even if they release the UOT, the prequels still exist and that's half the story.

I honestly don't feel this way. I had concrete notions and images in my head of the history of the SW universe that I developed from years of watching the trilogy that have never quite lined up with the prequels. I don't hold that against the prequels, as they do in fact come from the mind of GL. Still, when I watch the originals, I just do not feel the connective tissue of one whole saga. I can't really see them as anything but two different trilogies.

Sadly, though, you could definitely argue that this will not be the case for future generations who only see the films in Episode 1 - 6 order.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by earmullet

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Nice avatar!

Funny gif.

James:

Welcome back.




Here is a link that has most of the Star Wars 2011 BD Changes so far-




http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpb...er=asc&start=0





Plus here is a YouTube vid of Krayt Dragon Call from Star Wars: Episode IV-

[Show spoiler]

Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon Call from Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (Supposed Blu-Ray Clip) - YouTube

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[popeflick]

Another galaxy, another time.

The Old Republic was the Republic of legend, greater than distance or time. No need to note where it was or whence it came, only to know that... it was the Republic.

Once, under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the Jedi Knights, the Republic throve and grew. But as often happens when wealth and power pass beyond the admirable and attain the awesome, then appear those evil ones who have greed to match.

So it was with the Republic at its height. Like the greatest of trees, able to withstand any external attack, the Republic rotted from within though the danger was not visible from outside.

Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic.

Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears.

Having exterminated through treachery and deception the Jedi Knights, guardians of justice in the galaxy, the Imperial governors and bureaucrats prepared to institute a reign of terror among the disheartened worlds of the galaxy. Many used the imperial forces and the name of the increasingly isolated Emperor to further their own personal ambitions.

But a small number of systems rebelled at these new outrages. Declaring themselves opposed to the New Order they began the great battle to restore the Old Republic.

From the beginning they were vastly outnumbered by the systems held in thrall by the Emperor. In those first dark days it seemed certain the bright flame of resistance would be extinguished before it could cast the light of new truth across a galaxy of oppressed and beaten peoples...



-From the First Saga Journal of the Whills

They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Naturally they became heroes.

Leia Organa of Alderaan, Senator

[nathan_393]

I think I'll still show my kids the episodes in their original filmed order. That way Vader's surprise in ESB is still a surprise for them.

[brps3]

My B day is the 26 of Sept. Would make an excellent birthday present for me.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

James:

Welcome back.




Here is a link that has most of the Star Wars 2011 BD Changes so far-



http://picasaweb.google.com/10254276...ars2011Changes






Plus here is a YouTube vid of Krayt Dragon Call from Star Wars: Episode IV-

[Show spoiler]Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon Call from Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (Supposed Blu-Ray Clip) - YouTube

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Thanks Duffy!

The videos are nice, as I can see the changes myself. The Han/Greedo scene is MUCH better as the less we see of that hackjob, the better. However it's still inferior to the original scene of Han taking care of business the only way he knows how.

The other changes like Jabba's door and the blinking ewoks are interesting but you still gotta wonder, "What for?"

The Dug in the palace is easy... Lucas attempting to patch things up between the two trilogies.

The clip of the end of ROTJ is too ridiculous to believe! Not hating or spreading negativity, just reporting my reaction. My jaw dropped in horror/"This is a joke?" fashion.

What astonishes me the most is the lack of professionalism from Lucas. That and the lack of respect for his own work.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by retablo

And to everyone who complains about Anakin being a whiny kid - if he wasn't he wouldn't be a "real" character. If he was the same mean villian even when he was 10, there would be no sympathy for him. Kids are whiny. Everyone complaining about it was whiny at one time. Doesn't anyone understand the idea of a character arc? And what redemption means? Jeez.

I do understand the idea of a character arc. I also understand that this one just plain sucked.

The ten year old Ani wasn't particularly whiny. Unlike the 'adult' Ani who was incredibly whiny and oh, by the way, a murdering thug well before he got 'lured' to the dark side. That's the biggest problem with Anakin's character arc...he doesn't really have one. His 'arc' is basically...

Normal kid.
Whiny murdering thug
Whiny murdering thug
Badass murdering thug
Badass murdering thug
Badass murdering thug who changes his mind

That's not a character arc. It's a charicature arc.

[spicyORANGUTAN]

IDC what anyone says, I'm still going to enjoy the box set. I have learnt to live with the altered editions and these minor changes won't make too much difference. Just be glad that we finally get Star Wars on Blu Ray.

And to brps3, my birthdays on the 18th, so I think it'll make a good birthday present for myself

spicyORANGUTAN

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Thanks Duffy!

The videos are nice, as I can see the changes myself. The Han/Greedo scene is MUCH better as the less we see of that hackjob, the better. However it's still inferior to the original scene of Han taking care of business the only way he knows how.

The other changes like Jabba's door and the blinking ewoks are interesting but you still gotta wonder, "What for?"

The Dug in the palace is easy... Lucas attempting to patch things up between the two trilogies.

The clip of the end of ROTJ is too ridiculous to believe! Not hating or spreading negativity, just reporting my reaction. My jaw dropped in horror/"This is a joke?" fashion.

NP


BTW, this following link is a lot more comprehensive and includes more screenshots, vids and audio from the upcoming BDs.



http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpb...pic.php?t=9065

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[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by THALL434

Has George Lucas or his PR crew released a statement in response to all the criticism?

They don't do that. They'll let the high sales numbers speak for them.

Originally Posted by WannabeSpiderMan

His ambitious desire for power/recognition was made apparent in the films, he verbally expressed it, and his selfish desire to save/keep his wife was just the final catalyst for the no-going-back change. After all, he grew up father-less and as a slave, and then spent the next 13 years having the most powerful man in the galaxy giving him special attention, telling him he was special, that he was better than everyone else, that he didn't have to follow the rules, and that finally if he were to do unspeakable things in his name, he would not only get away with it, but would be rewarded for it with unlimited power and recognition, plus get to keep his wife, which the Jedi wouldn't allow if they found out.

(Plus take into account that this same man manipulated all surrounding events to cause distrust and confusion within Anakin, further destabilizing the young impressionable man, to suit this ultimate goal)

I would think that after doing what he knew was wrong for selfish reasons, and as a result losing every friendship, the woman he loves, and his children, plus being mangled/disfigured, that he would become the cold, detached person behind the helmet that we know from the OT. He hates himself and his life at that point, so he has no sympathy for anyone else.

I think it plays out naturally within the story presented.

Bravo!

Originally Posted by Jar Jar Stinks

For those who have the discs, are there any
Easter Eggs?

Yup! The Unaltered Original Trilogy.

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I am a Star Wars fan. I used to be a huge Star Wars fan. I bought every magazine, toy, game, etc. I lived and breathed Star Wars. Those days are long gone, but I have fond memories of talking Star Wars with friends and reading and collecting and watching anything with Star Wars on it. But in the past ten years, something changed. Fans became more cynical, argumentative, egotistical, and judgmental. Now it seems, if you simply enjoy the films, don't mind or like the alterations, and still manage to chill out and get a kick out of Star Wars, you're an "apologist" - perhaps the silliest term I've ever come across with regards to an individuals enjoyment of a piece of fiction. It seems that to be a Star Wars fan anymore, you have obsess over miniscule alterations, talk down to everyone around you, think George Lucas is some kind of evil magician out to destroy your childhood, and take everything about Star Wars deadly seriously. Where's the fun or enjoyment in that? Honestly? How is your life bettered by endlessly bickering over frames in a film? Whether a character says a single word? I'm not angry or bitter about this development. If anything, I truly pity those who get worked up over such things.

With that said, by all means argue over a single word of dialogue, a slight change of color of a lightsaber, or blinking Ewoks, or whatever the hell else you guys can find a way to bitch about. These changes don't alter the message of the films and certainly should not deter any sane individual from being able to enjoy the films as is, whether you're for the changes or not. In a couple of weeks I'm going to be watching Star Wars in HD with lossless audio. That is something I've literally been waiting for for over a decade for. You guys cancelling your pre-orders over non-sensical fanboy ramblings can choose not to all you want. I hope your content with your decision. Me, I'm gonna have lightsabers kicking my subwoofers ass for a few hours.

Well said Kryptonic! Well said.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Yup! The Unaltered Original Trilogy.

Don't get their hopes up

[Fenny]

Thought you guys might get a kick out of this.

Star Wars: No Easy Way Out - YouTube

[StarksRevenge]

I love when people start trotting out sales figures and claiming "resistance is fuitle" No its not. There has never been a fair fight between the original trilogy unchanged v. altered original trilogy. Just because 20 million people buy these mutants doesn't make its right. Same thing with box office numbers. Just because $100 million in tickets were sold for Big Mamma's House 6, doesn't make it a good movie.

[Jar Jar Stinks]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

Don't get their hopes up

At this point, I'd be happy with an Easter Egg of The Holiday Special.

[Michael Harper]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

New Darth Maul vid on the official site shows the new transfer, you can actually see the object being force thrown into the door controls for the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoaL6...layer_embedded

Still one of the most coolest scenes ever...

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Jar Jar Stinks

At this point, I'd be happy with an Easter Egg of The Holiday Special.

They've hinted towards something like that - or at least clips - which would be kind of cool. I imagine we'll see lots of people posting some Easter Eggs over the next couple weeks.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by retablo

And to everyone who complains about Anakin being a whiny kid - if he wasn't he wouldn't be a "real" character. If he was the same mean villain even when he was 10, there would be no sympathy for him. Kids are whiny. Everyone complaining about it was whiny at one time. Doesn't anyone understand the idea of a character arc, and what redemption means?

Precisely. For those who pay attention, you get glimpses of his downfall even in Episode I. When Padme speaks of him being a slave, he retorts, "I'm a person!", indicating he has (justifiable) anger issues, even at such a young age. When he leaves his mother behind, his love and attachment to her is very obvious. He wants to be a Jedi, but he's lonely and afraid of what will happen to her.

Later, in Episode II, he's clearly wrestling with many more issues. He hasn't seen his mother or Padme in ten years, both of which he was very close to. The Jedi Council - especially Obi-Wan & Yoda - are determined to abide by the Code, which prohibits all attachments outright (itself a moral abomination). This especially takes a turn for the worse, when his visions about Shmi come true, and losing her drives him over the edge. In that moment, you have a very powerful young man, grieving deeply, hating himself for not going back to save her, and now its too late. His grief turns to rage, and in a mad fury, he lets it consume him, murdering all the Sandpeople in that camp. Later, when he confesses to Padme, you clearly see his struggle. Never did he think he'd ever behave that way, and he's falling apart by the second. He's crying, shaking, not knowing what to do, and even Padme can't comfort him completely. At the funeral, his anger returns, and he swears that no one he loves will again be taken from him.

This sets up the events in Episode III, where his burden seems to have lightened somewhat, but the visions return, and its 3 years ago, all over again. Adding to that, he resents the Council for not making him a Master, and ordering him to spy on Palpatine, who he almost sees as another father figure. Keeping his love for Padme a secret is also taking its toll, seen when he tells her, "I'm tired of this deception." What he wants most is to be loved, respected, and trusted, by those who know him as more than a "hero without fear". The nightmares again drive him to desperation, and Palpatine plays on that like an expert, seducing him with the promise of saving Padme (which he later admits is beyond his own power). Combined with the continued distrust from the Council, and the revelation of Palpatine as a Sith, Anakin fulfills his duty by reporting to Mace...but its clearly tearing him apart. When Mace makes it clear he'll kill Palpatine, Anakin's fear of loss combines with his anger, and he lashes out...only to realize the horror of his mistake when the Chancellor kills the Jedi Master. Knowing the Council won't understand, and feeling left with no other option, he submits to Sidious, and much against his better judgment, and follows his terrible orders. But even after that, you see him briefly crying, because he still knows right from wrong. When Padme confronts him, he's so fargone that he almost treats her like a child, and seeing Obi-Wan - who now represents everything he resents, hates, and fears - that becomes the final straw. His mind and heart are broken, and his wrath takes the forefront, even after he's been mutilated. Finally, when Sidious lies to him about Padme's death, there's nothing else left, and he screams in agony (the novel even says he's trying to kill Sidious with the Force in that scene). As his old Master told him, he has "become the very thing he swore to destroy".

[El_Jay]

I love how people continually refer to all this retconned nonsense as "Lucas' original intentions/vision".

His "original intentions" that didn't make their way into the movies until 30 years later. Probably because the technology didn't exist to record Darth saying "NO" or have a younger man than Sebastian Shaw playing Anakin as a ghost, amirite?

De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt, as they say!

[StarksRevenge]

Sad to say but when Rob Tepper's music can make a better prequel trilogy than Lucas, something is definitely is definitely wrong. The best purchase I made in the last 10 years is the Star Wars: A Musical Journey, because it strips out most of the plot contrivances (that didn't exist in the OT) and let people enjoy the actor's work, the score, and the general themes that exist in the OT and to some extent the PT.