Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Cinescott]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

This is what I don't get about Lucas.... between the 2004 DVD set and this upcoming Blu-Ray set, a lot of things just seemed to be done in a very half-assed manner. I know the man is budge conscious and doesn't want to lose a ton of money in the process of updating these movies. But the guy has resources the likes of which most filmmakers can only dream of. Even if he spends a ton of money fixing the problems, smoothing out the oudated effects, etc, and doesn't fully recoup it in sales, he's still going to be insanely rich when all is said and done. If he is so concerned about his "artistic integrity", when not utilize the insane amount of resources that he has available and go the full-nine in fixing the real issues with the movies, rather than adding things like the pointless "Nooooo." in ROTJ? Even though I disagree with it, I can kind of understand him not wanting to spend the money to restore the UOT if it truly is expensive and if he no longer considers that to be the verison of Star Wars that he wants out there.... but why not at least spend the money to give the Blu-Ray with the updates the proper treatment?

You're making too much sense here. Stop it. This is Lucasfilm, after all.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

It's quite puzzling to me that the same "fans" who want the OUT without CGI-additions are the same people who want all the OT-lightsabers to be replaced by new prequel-style blades.

Ah, the old corny "fans" put into quotation marks again. Fans from both sides of the aisle, so to speak, have complained about the lightsabers. Baiting again, huh?

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians." George Lucas, 1988



Source:
http://www.uproxx.com/media/2011/09/...e-was-for-him/

Hey, he's just kinda living out the Vader story in a way. He becomes the very thing he set out not to be.......

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians." George Lucas, 1988

It's only a work of "art" when the "artist" says it's finished. The testimony was aimed at studios who colorize or mutilate old movies without the artists consent to make a profit. It's an important distinction that shows that Lucas stood, stands and will always be standing for the rights of the artist - like f.e. "final cut". That was a real issue back then! You can't use something against Lucas that is actually in his favor!

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Breather

Get my facts straight? You will try anything even when you're wrong. Your shots above are BLUE, not mild green. Only the test footage had green. Just like before, your own pictures prove you wrong! LOL. Do you realize that you just spent over an hour between posts to locate shots that prove you wrong? I have the documentary too! Your original post showed the green lightsaber from the test footage in the documentary which you tried to pass off as proving the film had a green lightsaber. I then pointed out that the same documentary then shows the blue lightsaber that they eventually went with, which you conveniently left out of your first post.

These new shots you posted show the green test saber from the documentary and two shots of a BLUE ONE !! You've only helped my case and you posted blue shots while claiming it's mild green. You shot yourself in the foot like this last time.

I predict if one day ANH is released with Luke having a yellow lightsaber and we point out it's wrong, you'll post a picture of the Kenner Luke action figure with the yellow lightsaber as your proof that yellow sabers were supposed to be in the film.

You claimed my '97 screenshots were from "Empire of Dreams", as if that would matter anyway, when they weren't. Facts again?

You seem to have some issue of not being able to accept when you're wrong. You lose the argument when others post facts and/or screenshots disproving your claims. You then try to post more screenshots from dubious shots that actually prove you wrong! You're so desperate to be right that you just tried to pass off documentary footage as proof the saber was green, when the same documentary shows the blue saber they went with. I point this out and your new shots clearly show a blue saber and you call it mild green, lol. Sorry man, you're wrong and once again, you did my work for me and proved it yourself. Accept it and move on. Last word-itis didn't work out too well for you before either.

I'll say it again.

Luke's saber is green(in the making of documentary) IN THE WIDEANGLE SHOT)

It then turns bluish in the close up reaction shot.

The below wideangle shot and the close up shot comprise one continouse clip from the release print of the film---as shown on the documentary:



The way you worded your sentence you made it sound like Luke's saber is blu IN THE WIDEANGLE SHOT(as seen in the documentary)---and if this is what you are trying to imply--then you are wrong.

And my pics prove it.

[crs]

Originally Posted by phil4853

CRS...


Can you answer this please...the UK set box rear has only English listed as a subtitle...does your box have all the subtitles you mention listed on the box or only English??? Thanks mate!

The spec sheet on my set only mention some of the subtitles. This is typical Fox fashion, as with many of their other catalog titles, they usually only list English/Spanish/French subtitles, but often include a lot more.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by Breather

They don't release them every month?? I did not know that... We're not talking about just the Blu-ray. The access to the PR department and events that all studios hold for home video releases. General info, the films, Clone Wars on TV, DVD, and Blu-ray, etc. In 2004 we got the DVD set. In 2006, we got the set with the UOT discs. We've had all the Clone Wars releases. We've got the Blu-ray set now. Sites that cover home video need access to the studios for accurate information and scoops. If you notice, there were only a limited number of media members invited to the Lucasfilm PR event. That's not something they want to sacrifice by being too critical. Having relevant, accurate, and timely info is what generates readers and page hits and thus, advertising revenue. They can't afford to lose that.

They have to walk a fine line. If they're too critical, they can lose access. If they're too generous, they get accused of being a shill by readers.

That's why I prefer the level of independence this site has.

There was a certain TV show DVD website. They started out giving readers great information on music deletions, music replacement, and syndication cuts used for TV show episodes on upcoming DVD sets. They even let registered members login and post info, subject to verification, about other revisions found on these sets after release. This stopped, as of the last time I bothered to go there. After that, only the rare time that the studio admitted it outright, was this information revealed.

It turns out that they were threatened with loss of access by multiple studio's PR departments for posting info, albeit truthful, that could jeopardize sales. Without studio access, they wouldn't have scoops, future release dates, upcoming release info, and thus, be out of business.

And there's the biggest farce of them all. The pro-Lucas or whatever group who complain about the fans being too critical. Wow, what a joke! Actions like above make the fans out to be patriots.

[goldenrod]

From the digital bits (I know everyone has read it)

"The Supervising Sound Editor on the Blu-rays for Skywalker Sound, Matthew Wood, gave us a pretty detailed demonstration of the new 6.1 DTS-HD MA uncompressed audio mixes on these Blu-rays. (For those wondering why 6.1 and not 7.1, Matt said that 6.1 was chosen because it builds nicely on the 5.1 EX mixing work that was done for the Prequel films.) The first scene he showed us was the beginning of the assault on the Death Star at the end of Episode IV. Now, I suspect he showed us this scene for exactly the thing I noticed immediately upon previewing it. Some of you may recall that on the 2004 DVD, when the X-Wings begin their dive down to the Death Star, the familiar John Williams trumpet fanfare was buried in the mix so you could barely hear it. No longer! The trumpets ring true in the Blu-ray mix loud and clear. When I heard this, I couldn't help thrusting my arms up in the air in a bit of happy relief. I then turned to Matt, who as it happens was standing right next to me, and saw him give a little smile and nod - he knew exactly what I was reacting to. When I leaned over to thank him for fixing it, his simple reply made me smile as well: "Trust me, I read the blogs too..." "

What blogs he's reading? Not Star Wars related ones for sure

[Cinescott]

Originally Posted by SwissHD

VI is a very good movie for me with some flaws but also some of the best Scenes in the whole saga. And the flaws are never like the shitty Prequels.
I don't understand how you can like the Love-Crapfest Episode II "I like sand" LOL more than Episode VI. I honestly don't get that.

Yes, there is some embarrassingly bad dialogue in Episode II, but almost nothing is as bad as those teddy bears in VI for me. They're just too cutesy to not be a toy marketing plug and they're half the movie. That, combined with some really bad matte shots and Harrison Ford, who mugs too much for the camera and doesn't even seem to want to be in the movie, make it almost as bad as TPM for me (Harrison Ford's career had gone in a much different direction by then; it was clear to me he didn't care).

The Luke/Emperor/Vader scenes in VI are good, granted, but too short. (Pre-NOOOOOOO, that is)

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Breather

Ah, the old corny "fans" put into quotation marks again. Fans from both sides of the aisle, so to speak, have complained about the lightsabers. Baiting again, huh?

It's not bating to have a different opinion than the rest. And it's not the "who's a real fan" debate all over again... But it is honestly very difficult for me to not set the word fans in "" - because in the case of Star Wars the "fans" seem to hate the thing. I'm not calling myself a "fan" anymore either. It's just a stained word... The "f-word"

[madlost1]

Originally Posted by double_l4488

TPM is the only one being done in 3-d.

Actually depending on the success of TPM the others will be released in 3d as well.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

I'll say it again.

Luke's saber is green(in the making of documentary) IN THE WIDEANGLE SHOT)

It then turns bluish in the close up reaction shot.

The wideangle shot and the close up shot comprise one continouse clip from the release print of the film.

The way you worded your sentence you made it sound like Luke's saber is blu IN THE WIDEANGLE SHOT(as seen in the documentary)---and if this is what you are trying to imply--then you are wrong.

And my pics prove it.

Your pics prove you wrong. I can read quite well. You just don't like to tell the truth. The documentary didn't use a finished film clip in the false way you're stating. The film never went from mild green in one shot to blue in another. The documentary used the film clip with the test saber(green) and the finished blue color they decided to go with. You're trying to use test footage using that shot as proof it was green. That's quite dishonest. Just like last month. Luke's saber was never green until 2004.

[West E]

i've only seen Star Wars IV so i was pretty interested in buying the boxset to experience Star Wars ----- Not if original scenes that the diehards enjoy are changed though. I'll DVR them the next time they play. Thanks for saving me some $$$, George!

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

It's only a work of "art" when the "artist" says it's finished. The testimony was aimed at studios who colorize or mutilate old movies without the artists consent to make a profit. It's an important distinction that shows that Lucas stood, stands and will always be standing for the rights of the artist - like f.e. "final cut". That was a real issue back then! You can't use something against Lucas that is actually in his favor!

Yeah, but he also said in that same speech:

The public's interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests.

There seems to be a fairly significant amount of the public interested in the UOT. There seems to be a fairly significant amount of the public upset over these new changes. At what point do their interests become "dominant", as Lucas, himself, once stated?

[Breather]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

It's not bating to have a different opinion than the rest. And it's not the "who's a real fan" debate all over again... But it is honestly very difficult for me to not set the word fans in "" - because in the case of Star Wars the "fans" seem to hate the thing. I'm not calling myself a "fan" anymore either. It's just a stained word... The "f-word"

You don't just post a different opinion. If you did, that would be great. The more diverse opinions the better on a message board. You use words like "fans" in quotes as a way of labeling people who disagree with certain things Star Wars or Lucas because you just can't stand it for some odd, odd reason. You use it derisively and you know it.

No one in here hates Star Wars. As I told your brother, everyone that bothers to post here loves Star Wars in one way or another, or they wouldn't be here. What you guys can't seem to tolerate are people who don't love the same things about it as you do. This is a Star Wars thread. Opinions vary and they should. You like to pretend in your fantasy that Star Wars cannot have anything said about it that's not 100% positive. It bothers you so much that you attack people for it. You were in here the other morning calling those that disagree with you "stupid" and posting "we want the UOT" over and over again for five lines, without provocation.

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

It's quite puzzling to me that the same "fans" who want the OUT without CGI-additions are the same people who want all the OT-lightsabers to be replaced by new prequel-style blades. Lucas was always very respectful of the work that was put in the original effects, masks, puppets and performances. Otherwise the changes could have gone much, much further. The fan-reaction is a disgrace!

James Earl Jones was always a more important part of the Vader-persona to me than David Prowse. This new final scream of agony when Anakin breaks free of the Dark Side is very powerful a clear improvement. It's just out of spite that "fans" don't like it.

a) you're about 7-8 years too late with that paragraph...

b) my 3 year old daughter makes a more convincing "nooo!" when she loses a toy...

Final scream of agony...final hiccup of drunkenness is more likely.

[Kryptonic]

I am a Star Wars fan. I used to be a huge Star Wars fan. I bought every magazine, toy, game, etc. I lived and breathed Star Wars. Those days are long gone, but I have fond memories of talking Star Wars with friends and reading and collecting and watching anything with Star Wars on it. But in the past ten years, something changed. Fans became more cynical, argumentative, egotistical, and judgmental. Now it seems, if you simply enjoy the films, don't mind or like the alterations, and still manage to chill out and get a kick out of Star Wars, you're an "apologist" - perhaps the silliest term I've ever come across with regards to an individuals enjoyment of a piece of fiction. It seems that to be a Star Wars fan anymore, you have obsess over miniscule alterations, talk down to everyone around you, think George Lucas is some kind of evil magician out to destroy your childhood, and take everything about Star Wars deadly seriously. Where's the fun or enjoyment in that? Honestly? How is your life bettered by endlessly bickering over frames in a film? Whether a character says a single word? I'm not angry or bitter about this development. If anything, I truly pity those who get worked up over such things.

With that said, by all means argue over a single word of dialogue, a slight change of color of a lightsaber, or blinking Ewoks, or whatever the hell else you guys can find a way to bitch about. These changes don't alter the message of the films and certainly should not deter any sane individual from being able to enjoy the films as is, whether you're for the changes or not. In a couple of weeks I'm going to be watching Star Wars in HD with lossless audio. That is something I've literally been waiting for for over a decade for. You guys cancelling your pre-orders over non-sensical fanboy ramblings can choose not to all you want. I hope your content with your decision. Me, I'm gonna have lightsabers kicking my subwoofers ass for a few hours.

[StarksRevenge]

No one who cancelled their order thinks it is going to change Lucas' mind. Its not like those people probably already have a version of Star Wars on DVD or Tivo. I for one refuse to further support Lucas on this.

I have Star Wars on DVD (both the 2004 and the OT 2006 releases) and that suits my purposes for the rare chance I want to watch the movies. I barely watch them anymore anyway. If the original versions were released on Blu Ray, I would buy them, but I can no longer support the revisionist history on these films. I also say the quality control department on these films is very poor for a company that prides itself on being the creators of "THX" These are the flagship films of the company and some of the lightsaber work, other quality control issues is galling.

Release the originals. Heck, release the 97 Special Editions. Why is it so hard? They have released (with the Blu Ray) two different versions of these movies on DVD and Blu Ray.

Enough is enough.

[Kryptonic]

BTW - I like that while the set has a two-star review status, it's currently the #2 seller on all of Amazon's DVD/BD department...and it doesn't come out for two weeks.

[jrmac2000]

I have to wonder how many people are saying they will not buy this but secretly will buy it anyway. It does stink the original theatrical presentations aren't included, but I never thought they would be when this was announced.