Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

The Star Wars Tech program is really fun. I'm really glad they included that. Something I can erase from the DVR.

[georgec]

Do we know the video quality of the special features yet? I figure the new docs will be HD whereas the old ones from 77-83 could very well be on par with the 2006 UOT discs.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

You're trying to get me to weaken my resolve... <dread pirate roberts>...it won't work.</dread pirate roberts>

I had a 1-day "vacation" from this site due to my severe dislike of the new changes (which I've personally resolved not to rehash). I'm not trying to get anyone to buy anything, now I'm just giving impartial information. I've seen the 3 documentaries in question, and they are quality features worth seeing.

@georgec: I'm 99.99% sure that the vintage docs from 77-83 will be 480i/p. They most likely will be from their respective original LD masters, just like the 2006 UOT "bonus discs".

[Lincoln6Echo]

Say what you will about the audio change in ROTJ, but the more I watch it, the more I like it. Yes, I said it...even the extended "Noooo." Sure, it's a dub of the ROTS quote, but with these two "No's" in the scene, it actually makes the scene more powerful, by bringing the Balance of the Force full circle. But I will say this, what they should have done was redo the effect to give it a fresh appeal, because everyone will instantly recognize it as the same audio bit from ROTS.

Oh shoot....BREAKING....Speilberg confirms that T-Rex scream in Jurassic Park has been replaced with a "Nooooooooooo."

[double_l4488]

New poll, which is good. I only wanted two of them anyway and the changes are obviously ridiculous. So not getting until individual release.

Originally Posted by bladerunner2007

sw/tesb/rotj 5/5
rots 4/5
tpm 3/5
aotc 2/5

esb- 5/5- one of the best movies ever made
anh-4.5/5- the original one, w/out Jabba and Han shooting first
rots-4.5/5- very solid movie, dark
aotc-2/5 pretty but boring
rotj-1.5/5 extremely overrated, ewoks, wtf
tpm-0.5/5 completly awful

[Beast]

I thought from comparing the two it was clear that the one in RotJ is NOT the same one from RotS?

[ckocher]

Originally Posted by neoz

@ ckocher those are only on the Complete Saga set correct?

Yes, only on the complete set. You only get the movies on the individual box sets.

[BankytheHack]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

Say what you will about the audio change in ROTJ, but the more I watch it, the more I like it. Yes, I said it...even the extended "Noooo." Sure, it's a dub of the ROTS quote, but with these two "No's" in the scene, it actually makes the scene more powerful, by bringing the Balance of the Force full circle. But I will say this, what they should have done was redo the effect to give it a fresh appeal, because everyone will instantly recognize it as the same audio bit from ROTS.

Oh shoot....BREAKING....Speilberg confirms that T-Rex scream in Jurassic Park has been replaced with a "Nooooooooooo."

Even if it were the same bit of audio, the "Nooooo" from ROTS is the worst Vader moment in the entire Saga. It rivals fan fiction in it's awfulness.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by retablo

That's the beauty of character - all things are connected.

And again, no one has issues with Luke being whiny and just as bad an actor as Hayden, but that's just apologetic OT love.

A) Luke wasn't a whiny murderring thug, he was just whiny.

B) He also grew up. He started out a whiny, impatient adolescent. He faced adversity and he came out of it a grown-up.

That's a character arc that works.

Going from whiny murdering thug to whiny murdering thug in a cooler suit?

That's a character arc that doesn't work.

[kurtlingle]

Goodness,

I go to Hershey Park for one day and we get another 50 page to read through

Boy, did anything happen? I think we need someone to create a summary post for each day!

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by svenge

I had a 1-day "vacation" from this site due to my severe dislike of the new changes (which I've personally resolved not to rehash). I'm not trying to get anyone to buy anything, now I'm just giving impartial information. I've seen the 3 documentaries in question, and they are quality features worth seeing.

That's fine; I was just having some fun.

[WannabeSpiderMan]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

...and then he falls into Padme's arms sobbing. Clearly, he's upset and feels guilty and disappointed in himself.



I found his ultimate turn very powerful. His fear of losing loved ones is something we can all identify with and this fear leads to his downfall in trying to control his life and those around him absolutely. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." All of this comes from the loss of his mother in this pivotal scene. I don't know if you've ever lost a parent or a loved one as a teenager, but I have and this kind of feeling, of wanting to protect and hold dearly those you love with an iron-grip, is a very real one.

His teenage years seen in AOTC feel truthful. He's nineteen years old, he's a flurry of adrenaline and hormones, raw power and emotional with little self-control...y'know, like most teenagers. He was a decent, sympathetic character who let his love and compassion turn into a fear that corrupted him completely.

This is all how I see it. I agree completely. I think that the people who seem to casually dismiss his character arc just aren't considering all of the presented factors that affect the character. When I was a kid, I wanted more than anything to be like Luke Skywalker. Now that I'm older and have been through more complex emotional experiences, I can relate more to Anakin, and empathize with his tragic destiny.

I also like how he is handled in the Clone Wars series. It shows that he is an overall good/heroic person, but they still show him struggling with attachments, breaking rules, and being brash/impulsive.

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Goodness,

I go to Hershey Park for one day and we get another 50 page to read through

Boy, did anything happen? I think we need someone to create a summary post for each day!

last 50 pages?

well Lucas finally came out and said he go the one billionth complaint, which was his signal to not only release the UOT blu-ray next week, but to make us all honor Jedi masters. Beast chose to be a Sith Master.


I mean, no, nothings happened.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

Am I the only one who really wants to see how Sith looks?

I can't wait to see the opening of "Sith". I just love that scene - one of the best in all 6 movies - lots of fun.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by double_l4488

New poll, which is good. I only wanted two of them anyway and the changes are obviously ridiculous. So not getting until individual release.



esb- 5/5- one of the best movies ever made
anh-4.5/5- the original one, w/out Jabba and Han shooting first
rots-4.5/5- very solid movie, dark
aotc-2/5 pretty but boring
rotj-1.5/5 extremely overrated, ewoks, wtf
tpm-0.5/5 completly awful

Between here and theforce.net there's maybe 25 people that have seen the entire saga more times than myself and I rate them as follows:

TPM: 6/10 - Without Jar Jar and the comedic droids I probably would have given it a 7.
AOTC: 4/10 - Awful in every sense of the word. The only redeeming portion of the film is the last 20 minutes.
ROTS: 7/10 - It felt more like the originals in terms of real character devlopment.
ANH: 9/10 - It has Sir Alec Guiness. Do I need to say more?
TESB: 10/10 - Easily Kirshner's best film and the best sci-fi film of the 20th century IMHO.
ROTJ: 8/10 - Felt like ANH with more involvement with Vader, but the Ewoks ruined a potentially excellent followup to ESB.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl

Yet if you read his testimony before congress in 1988 about the colorization of movies to what he is doing now it is just scary.
http://savestarwars.com/lucasspeecha...aledition.html

I don't find it scary that a movie maker changes/updates his own movies.
There has been a lot of post on this topic. It's fine for Lucas to change his own films since they are... his.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Between here and theforce.net there's maybe 25 people that have seen the entire saga more times than myself and I rate them as follows:

TPM: 6/10 - Without Jar Jar and the comedic droids I probably would have given it a 7.
AOTC: 4/10 - Awful in every sense of the word. The only redeeming portion of the film is the last 20 minutes.
ROTS: 7/10 - It felt more like the originals in terms of real character devlopment.
ANH: 9/10 - It has Sir Alec Guiness. Do I need to say more?
TESB: 10/10 - Easily Kirshner's best film and the best sci-fi film of the 20th century IMHO.
ROTJ: 8/10 - Felt like ANH with more involvement with Vader, but the Ewoks ruined a potentially excellent followup to ESB.

I would have to agree on this I swear when I first saw TPM I thought Jar Jar Binks was Jar Jar Blinks! Because everytime I saw him I had to blink to get him out of the picture

[Beast]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

I can't wait to see the opening of "Sith". I just love that scene - one of the best in all 6 movies - lots of fun.

Yeah, that whole opening "Battle Of Coruscant" scene should be absolutely stunning on the Blu-Ray. Can't wait!

I just love how Anakin's delivery to Grevious perfectly echos Leia's to Vader and/or Grand Moff Tarkin in ANH. Love those connecting moments.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Beast

Yeah, that whole opening "Battle Of Coruscant" scene should be absolutely stunning on the Blu-Ray. Can't wait!

I just love how Anakin's delivery to Grevious perfectly echos Leia's to Grand Moff Tarkin in ANH. Love those connecting moments.

I really like when Anakin and Obiwan are flying together in the battle, it really let's you seen how they grew as friends and hero's in the Clone Wars. It's easy to see how Anakin and his relationship matured since Ep 2.

[WannabeSpiderMan]

Originally Posted by SixSpeedSamurai

No, by voting, you are locked into buying!

I've always thought Anakin was kind of a d-bag really. That being said, I to this day was not convinced by Ep III (a movie I like btw) of his turn. It just felt forced to me and not believable.

The other thing that bothers me is I watch the Clone Wars, and my kid loves it along with a lot of kids. They like Anakin. I just don't get it. He's rude and arrogant. He's brash and consistently does not abide his orders. He's a horrible Jedi in many aspects and a bad teacher to boot.

Like someone said, Luke was a lot like his father at first as far as being whiney. Kind of why I like him, he started out as a whiney b*tch in Ep IV. The first half of Ep V he was still like that but as he started to believe in himself he became a lot stronger character. In Ep VI he is very confident, but he's not at all arrogant.

But at least Anakin was given a story reason for being arrogant. The most powerful man in the galaxy, his surrogate father figure, gave him special attention for 13 years and told him that he is special, that he is entitled to special treatment/recognition, that he is better than everybody else, and that he doesn't have to follow the rules, etc. Plus having off-the-chart Force abilities to back it up, and the Jedi referring to him as "The Chosen One" didn't help matters. He was manipulated from the age of nine until his fall to the Dark Side at twenty-three. So he wasn't arrogant just for the hell of it. Gotta take all of that into consideration when judging the character.

I think if Palpatine was never involved, nurturing the negative aspects of his personality and boosting his ego, Anakin would have developed into a much more humble person on the Jedi path. But that's not how it played out.