Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[beckmen]

Originally Posted by Cook

Someone brought it to my attention so I am bringing it up, the runtimes for the films are different from what's on the dvds. I can't confirm at the moment.

Correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't that just be because of different video formats and all their framerates? PAL, NTSC, 24p, etc...I know back in the day, "PAL speed-up" made running times differ in various parts of the world, and just a few years ago doing 'live chats' with people around the world all watching the same movie we'd have to re-sync everybody half a dozen times so half of us weren't watching completely different scenes.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by beckmen

Correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't that just be because of different video formats and all their framerates? PAL, NTSC, 24p, etc...I know back in the day, "PAL speed-up" made running times differ in various parts of the world, and just a few years ago doing 'live chats' with people around the world all watching the same movie we'd have to re-sync everybody half a dozen times so half of us weren't watching completely different scenes.

Blu-ray doesn't have PAL Speed-up. The frame rate is constant across all regions for blu-ray.

[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by Cook

Blu-ray doesn't have PAL Speed-up. The frame rate is constant across all regions for blu-ray.

Discs encoded at 1080/50i certainly do unless they were recorded at 25fps.

Regardless, they were discussing the variation between the running times on the DVDs and those listed on the Blu-ray packaging and in this case there should be a difference with the DVD run times appearing 4% shorter than the Blu-ray run times. That would be why the Blu-ray run times appear longer even though in actual fact they aren't.

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by Cook

Someone brought it to my attention so I am bringing it up, the runtimes for the films are different from what's on the dvds. I can't confirm at the moment.

[Show spoiler]

That's to be expected for PAL releases. 24 -> 25 fps conversion is usually done by speeding up the video and (if whoever makes the disc doesn't hate you) correcting audio pitch. Fortunately PAL Blu-rays can be 24p, so there's no need for a speedup.

[PRO-630HD]

I can't see it anywhere, but it appears none of the original theatrical trailers are on these bluray discs?

[opticzar]

Originally Posted by sowecrazy

From the Star Wars Site http://starwars.com/news/saga_bluray...ion/index.html some new little tidbits but mostly the same

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this show that the infamous "green lightsaber on the Falcon" scene has been fixed? I've seen a LOT of distress over this error and no discussion about the corrected image.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Romansh

That's to be expected for PAL releases. 24 -> 25 fps conversion is usually done by speeding up the video and (if whoever makes the disc doesn't hate you) correcting audio pitch. Fortunately PAL Blu-rays can be 24p, so there's no need for a speedup.

I know there is no need for speedup on blu-ray. Thats what I said. I meant there is a difference between my NTSC DVD's and what is listed on the Blu-ray packaging. These Blu-rays in the UK should have no speedup, and my US DVD set wasn't sped up so the Blu-rays and the DVDs should match. All my other Blu-ray's runtimes match their DVD counterparts match so why not these?

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by Cook

I know there is no need for speedup on blu-ray. Thats what I said. I meant there is a difference between my NTSC DVD's and what is listed on the Blu-ray packaging. These Blu-rays in the UK should have no speedup, and my US DVD set wasn't sped up so the Blu-rays and the DVDs should match. All my other Blu-ray's runtimes match their DVD counterparts match so why not these?

Oh, OK. I can't read the picture you posted. What are the runtimes you're referring to?

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by JasonWard

In the Yoda clips, you can clearly see a drastic difference in the source quality.

Due to the fact that one is a Lucasfilm/Fox clip properly encoded in HD, the other is an upload of a DVD rip from Joe average. Apart from that, exactly the same.

It is worth noting that the clip itself was created at the time of ROTS (2005) as a test by Rob Coleman from ILM. The clip we have been provided with is the same and needs some real refining. The opening shot of the council with yoda in his chair is off. The CGI model has no orange highlights like the rest of the room or cast. One can hope that as this was created over 5 years ago, it has gone through some substantial refinement prior to the Blu ray transfer. As I said, the clip might be indicative of content, but not of quality.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by miniroll32

Says who? Considering how many exposures/matting shots there are (particularly in ANH), it would have been anything but clean. The standards of presentation have come a long way since then.

Looks fine to me


70mm Release Blow up

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

Man, it's been such a long time, I'm so tempted to pop in Empire or Jedi right now....but I want to hold off for the 16th for the ultimate experience!!

Ahhh!!!

I sold my DVD's

[Show spoiler](and made quite a few bucks too)

, so there's no temptation to watch them before the Blu-Ray's come out! If I want to watch Star Wars, I'd have to go back to VHS and that ain't happening!

[beckmen]

Originally Posted by Cook

I know there is no need for speedup on blu-ray. Thats what I said. I meant there is a difference between my NTSC DVD's and what is listed on the Blu-ray packaging. These Blu-rays in the UK should have no speedup, and my US DVD set wasn't sped up so the Blu-rays and the DVDs should match. All my other Blu-ray's runtimes match their DVD counterparts match so why not these?

I can't see the runtimes, either. But it could be an added section to the credits to give attribution to the people who worked on the Blu-ray alterations.

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

With a proper 4K restoration of the 97 SE elements episodes 4-6 could easily look as good.

Keep in mind that Alien was digitally remastered for its 20th Anniversary theatrical re-release (which was the basis of the BD, evidenced in the slight changes in color-timing). Typically, they spend a lot more time and money on those kinds of masters than they do for 'HD'. The point is: It's generally possible to give an old film a stunning Blu-ray presentation, but 'they' are not always willing to pony up the cash to do it right. "Just slap some DNR on that old 2k file made for HDTV broadcasts and unload it onto the viewer."

Oh, and if anybody wants more of those 70mm scans Kryptonic posted: http://www.jedi1.net/

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I can't see it anywhere, but it appears none of the original theatrical trailers are on these bluray discs?

It appears to be the case, unless they are hidden away in a marketing section on discs 7&8. I have a feeling they are pulling a documentaries on this one, in that they assume we all own the DVD's and this set is sits alongside it. Each DVD was stuffed with trailers, but for me, they are an important thing to have and especially in HD.

What if this was your first foray into the star wars universe? It is very arrogant to assume that everyone owns the DVD's. If the trailers are missing, it is a huge oversight IMHO.

[watzcoc]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I sold my DVD's

[Show spoiler](and made quite a few bucks too)

, so there's no temptation to watch them before the Blu-Ray's come out! If I want to watch Star Wars, I'd have to go back to VHS and that ain't happening!

Me too, i got more than i was expecting.

[Merlinpants]

http://uk.bluray.ign.com/articles/119/1190282p1.html

Greedo still shoots first in this version (although you may still see an original version of that scene in the set – hint, hint).

Strange though that they have been to what appears to be the exact same presentation as every other preview, but they are the only ones to mention this? Are IGN known for their reliability?

Edit: Yes they are. Han shoots first, but only in the deleted/extended scenes section on the disc.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/...825-1jb1v.html

Included in the 40 hours of special features in the latest release is original footage from iconic Star Wars moments, with the sound as it was recorded, not as it was later overdubbed.

That means that instead of generic American voices for characters, the cockney twang of British actors can be clearly heard in scenes filmed at London's Pinewood Studios. And it's hilarious stuff. Most amusing is the ''Cantina scene'' where Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) and Obi Wan Kenobi (Sir Alec Guinness) drop into their local boozer to find a pilot who will take them off the planet.


''Oi!'' shouts the bartender in his best East End twang as they arrive: ''Get ya plates o' meat back up the apples and pears! We don't serve their kind in 'ere!'' Or words to that effect.

Soon after we cut to a shot of Han, sitting in a booth, snogging a hitherto unseen date. Any leads on where the girl cut from the biggest movie of all time is now, will be greatfully received.

Later, the alien thug Greedo wanders up to tear strips off Han Solo (Harrison Ford) for not paying his debts … and instead of the bleeps and gurgles fans are used to, once again he sounds like he should be pushing a barrow full of eel pies. (Oh, and for purists: Star Wars' creator has let the scene run long enough to finally clear up a long-debated point: yep, Han shot first.)

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

http://uk.bluray.ign.com/articles/119/1190282p1.html

Greedo still shoots first in this version (although you may still see an original version of that scene in the set – hint, hint).

Strange though that they have been to what appears to be the exact same presentation as every other preview, but they are the only ones to mention this? Are IGN known for their reliability?

Okay, how can I spin this...lemme think...lemme think...ah! Got it!

This must mean a UOT set is definitely in the works and they don't want to undercut sales of that set by undoing what would be one of its biggest selling points.

Yup, that must be it

[Merlinpants]

If you feel like ruining disc 7 for yourself, read this. WARNING: it contains footage of some of the OT deleted scenes that look to be included on the Blu. I have resisted, I want to keep it fresh for the Blu.

http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/08/24...the-star-wars/

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

If you feel like ruining disc 7 for yourself, read this. WARNING: it contains footage of some of the OT deleted scenes that look to be included on the Blu. I have resisted, I want to keep it fresh for the Blu.

http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/08/24...the-star-wars/

No thanks, I am waiting for the 16th

[Jumpman]

How the hell did they get those...or have those been available on youtube for a long time?

[NYorker]

Do you think it's possible that somewhere down the line GL would consider releasing the OUT - as a digital download-only release...? would it make even sense? I just thought of that idea and thought I'd throw it to the wind...

On the other hand, I can definitely see a 3D version sometime in the future.