Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Alpha]

The winner is already leading

Seriously though, if the Spike marathon doesn't get you hyped up for the BD, well then you deal in absolutes!

[retablo]

Originally Posted by octagon

What change? Slaughtering women and children is a bit more than a 'character flaw' and going from whiny murdering thug to badass murdering thug isn't much of a change.

And that's the rub with this whole so-called arc. The ten year old Ani is a fairly sympathetic character. The adult Anikan is not. We don't see a basically decent guy seduced by the dark side. We see a self-indulgent douche become an even more self-indulgent douche.

If that appeals to you as a writer so be it.

It did not appeal to me as a viewer.

That's the beauty of character - all things are connected.

And again, no one has issues with Luke being whiny and just as bad an actor as Hayden, but that's just apologetic OT love.

[kenkraly2004]

Voted I will be buying the complete saga.

[HandyDandy]

I also will be buying the Complete saga and i voted as such.

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by earmullet

Yes, he posted it on his twitter account a little while ago.

it's a scene from his show Spaced. he didn't film it as a reaction to this.

Although his "character" on the show is notoriously anti-prequels and gets fired for throwing a kid out his store for liking Jar-Jar.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by retablo

That's the beauty of character - all things are connected.

And again, no one has issues with Luke being whiny and just as bad an actor as Hayden, but that's just apologetic OT love.

uh....Mark's performance in Empire Strikes Back was pretty damn great. And he showed great restraint in Return Of The Jedi. Sold the electrocution scene well. ANH was the only one where he was "whiny", but that's because he was a young man that wanted to escape the farm and live adventurous. Hayden's a better actor than we give him credit for (see - Shattered Glass), but nothing he did in the prequels comes close to Mark Hamill in the OT.

[hipster.doofus7]

The new poll is misleading.

Most of the people who genuinely enjoy the entire Star Wars saga have looooong since abandoned this miserable thread. The only people remaining are the ones that truly hate George Lucas, the few that are standing up for him, and a handful of newbies who opened this thread without knowing what kind of hell they're getting themselves into.

[Mr. Movie Fan]

Originally Posted by retablo

That's the beauty of character - all things are connected.

And again, no one has issues with Luke being whiny and just as bad an actor as Hayden, but that's just apologetic OT love.

Apologetic OT love, is the only love worth having.

[Mavrick]

ooo New poll!

Complete Saga, obviously

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Sure, and that's why Return of the King won an Oscar for best picture.

Elijah Wood's possession by the ring occurred over the course of 3 films. Or did you miss that?

In the books maybe... In the movies he fainted a couple of times, had headaches, turned invisible once or twice and whined and moaned for the rest of the time... In the end he stands on Mount Doom and says "The Ring is Mine!" in a pretty cheesy way, turns evil for five minutes until Gollum bites his finger and sails away with the elves...

[ckocher]

Voted. Complete Sage for me!

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

The new poll is misleading.

Most of the people who genuinely enjoy the entire Star Wars saga have looooong since abandoned this miserable thread. The only people remaining are the ones that truly hate George Lucas, the few that are standing up for him, and a handful of newbies who opened this thread without knowing what kind of hell they're getting themselves into.

How is the new poll misleading again? Obviously, things have changed since the first poll was created. More people view the thread than post in it as the poll results already show . Anyways, I did include (new poll) in the thread title for visibility across the entire forum. And, before it comes up...I'll be checking ips to make sure that sock accounts are not created to skew the results of the poll.

[JasonWard]

I will buy the complete saga. The changes all make sense to me. I'm more excited for the complete saga today than I was last month.

[spidey0115]

Just voted. Its the complete saga for me

[SymbioticFunction]

Complete saga. Despite 75% of Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones being truly piss-poor. And further unwarranted alterations to the original trilogy.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

What?! Are you actually criticizing George Lucas in some manner?! Say it ain't so!

Yeah, but it seems like that's something that they should be able to stabilize and make look less like a jump cut with today's digital technology. That combined with the remaining color timing issues and some of the simply outdated saber effects are some fairly big problems for something that he apparently wants to looks as close to being a brand new movie as possible.

If he is going to keep tweaking the movies, this is the kind of stuff he should be focusing on as opposed to some of the more pointless crap that he seems to spend his time with. While the lack of the UOT being available would still be a thorn in many people's sides, I doubt that too many people would react negatively to updates of that nature in the most recent versions... certainly not as negatively as they have to the "Nooooooo", etc.

YES, I am! IF the leaks are the actual BDs, then I am pretty darn disappointed in GL, as he changes seemingly random stuff, such as R2D2 behind rocks, but forgets about updating the lightsabers in the OT to better match the PT.

I really thought they had gone all the way this time, and the PR from Lucasfilm also made me believe that.

If I were Lucas, I would have delivered the ultimate experience, replaced, or at least enhanced Yoda in V, VI, and Jabba in VI, and all the jazz.

I still can't believe that the leaks are the final versions, and I, for once, completely agree with you.

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

maybe they are rocks projected by r2d2.

Good one.

Originally Posted by WannabeSpiderMan

Actually, I really like this fan-manip. I think it's well done, and that he blends in with the scene very well. All that was changed was the head. The original body and even the hairs on his head are the original puppet. It's just meant to be an example anyway, not a movie-quality ILM job. Besides, the real digital Yoda would be made to blend in if it was actually done. Though I doubt it ever would be.

I know Puppet-Yoda is sacred. I understand and I get it. But realistically, after being spoiled with Digital-Yoda, who is capable of a wider emotional range of acting and lip-syncing, the puppet Yoda will stand out like a sore thumb when the films are watched consecutively.

**braces self for death by a angry mob**

Me too. Puppet Yoda is no match for ROTS Yoda.

Originally Posted by crs

Well, III is probably the best looking of the bunch. But I must say I was pretty impressed by how good the PQ was on IV, age and all other things considered. Definition and detail is mostly surprisingly good. Sometimes the black levels are all over the place. The most noticable thing for me, going from III to IV, was the fine layer of grain in IV. AQ wise, IV doesn't come close to I-III, but that was as expected.

Sounds great. Does the digital Yoda in TPM look exactly like the one in the YouTube clip?

Thanks.

Star Wars on blu-ray is what I've been waiting for since I moved to HD and upgraded my whole home theater in 2007. I had Star Wars in my mind since day one. [/QUOTE]

Same here!!!! Can't wait, despite the disappointment. At least the PT is going to rock!

Originally Posted by georgec

ding ding ding

Your avatar is the creepiest thing ever. I jsut want to punch him in the face!
I really hate HF in ROTJ.

Originally Posted by Jumpman

The disdain of the Prequels, to this day, amazes me compared to the crap Hollywood spews out on a yearly basis....

Me too.

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I am a Star Wars fan. I used to be a huge Star Wars fan. I bought every magazine, toy, game, etc. I lived and breathed Star Wars. Those days are long gone, but I have fond memories of talking Star Wars with friends and reading and collecting and watching anything with Star Wars on it. But in the past ten years, something changed. Fans became more cynical, argumentative, egotistical, and judgmental. Now it seems, if you simply enjoy the films, don't mind or like the alterations, and still manage to chill out and get a kick out of Star Wars, you're an "apologist" - perhaps the silliest term I've ever come across with regards to an individuals enjoyment of a piece of fiction. It seems that to be a Star Wars fan anymore, you have obsess over miniscule alterations, talk down to everyone around you, think George Lucas is some kind of evil magician out to destroy your childhood, and take everything about Star Wars deadly seriously. Where's the fun or enjoyment in that? Honestly? How is your life bettered by endlessly bickering over frames in a film? Whether a character says a single word? I'm not angry or bitter about this development. If anything, I truly pity those who get worked up over such things.

With that said, by all means argue over a single word of dialogue, a slight change of color of a lightsaber, or blinking Ewoks, or whatever the hell else you guys can find a way to bitch about. These changes don't alter the message of the films and certainly should not deter any sane individual from being able to enjoy the films as is, whether you're for the changes or not. In a couple of weeks I'm going to be watching Star Wars in HD with lossless audio. That is something I've literally been waiting for for over a decade for. You guys cancelling your pre-orders over non-sensical fanboy ramblings can choose not to all you want. I hope your content with your decision. Me, I'm gonna have lightsabers kicking my subwoofers ass for a few hours.

Good post! The world has become such a cynical place.

Originally Posted by phoenixram1977

I will be picking up the original trilogy instead of the complete saga, and will also pick up revenge of the sith when it comes out on its own.

Won't happen.

Originally Posted by WannabeSpiderMan

I agree. I enjoy discussing Star Wars with fellow fans due to varying passionate opinions, however it's not fun when it's all just predominantly negative. Negative band-wagon jumping. I know online most of it is just hot air, (especially "Pre-Order cancelled" people) but it's like somewhere along the line people forgot how to discuss what they LIKE about the films. The positives FAR outweigh the negatives.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by MCT

what kills me is these guys who say things like, "it's just an added word, who cares??", act like that has the same effect as adding an extra step to the Emperor's throne room.

It changes the entire scene. It's not just simply "a word". Vader's body language was sufficient enough. We KNEW what he was thinking. For the last 28 years, we've known. You didn't need him to emote verbally then, and you don't need him to now. People who defend the change are rationalizing out of their undying love for Star Wars. They can't help themselves. It's akin to adding in "I'M MELLLTTTINNNNGGG!" to the Nazi at the end of Raiders Of The Lost Ark when he opens the Ark. No shit you're melting, we can see it plain as day. And no shit Vader is torn between his loyalty to the Emperor and his love for his son, we knew that as the camera shifted back and forth continously for a minute.

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

For you it didn't! In the impressive garage scene he is totally wrecked with guilt!!! To me it's a complex web of emotions that lead Anakin to the Dark Side. The interesting thing is that it happens out of compassion and love basically. That's pretty unique.

If you wanna see a terrible turn to the dark side watch Elijah Wood in the climax of "Return Of The King". That scene doesn't work at all for me...

Yeah, LOTR has the least character arc of any film. Pure junk and boredom.

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Sure, and that's why Return of the King won an Oscar for best picture.

Elijah Wood's possession by the ring occurred over the course of 3 films. Or did you miss that?

And it was always the same boring stuff. They cut have cut 12hrs., and still have the same damn story.

Voted for The Complete Saga, of course

[jrmac2000]

I am actually looking forward to checking out and spotting new changes. I do wish the unaltered originals of all six films were available, but like I said before that was never going to be an option on this set. It is what it is I reckon.

[AutomaticDriver]

Complete Saga for me.

[JamesKurtovich]

Glad I got the opportunity to re-cast my vote.

I originally intended to buy this set but changed my mind after being reminded about how bad I felt after spending $50 on the DVDs in 2004 and discovering shortly thereafter how badly they were screwed with. But I've actually been on the fence with the BD's, not knowing exactly what I wanted since the quality would no doubt be incredible regardless of changes to the material. I had to vote "NO" as I am now thoroughly convinced this product is not for me.

However, I will continue to follow this thread and news of this release as well as read the early reviews. I'm still in love with SW, just not what's become of the films.

[Mike1984]

Originally Posted by retablo

That's the beauty of character - all things are connected.

And again, no one has issues with Luke being whiny and just as bad an actor as Hayden, but that's just apologetic OT love.

For someone that claims to be a writer in Hollywood you dont know much about writing if you think that the PT was ummm good. Oh and another thing I just about laughed my ass off when I read you thought the OT films were "B" films. Again for someone that "claims" to live in LA and that is a writer you must not know what a "B" film is. Is this a Beast account? Good to see that you are letting BluYoda and the rest of your friends get away with murder on these boards mods....