Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Geoff D]

It's a nice idea though: keep the updated VFX (stopping short of the stoopid Blu-ray changes) but don't touch the narrative itself, delivering what people hoped the Star Wars SE was gonna be back in 1997.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's a nice idea though: keep the updated VFX (stopping short of the stoopid Blu-ray changes) but don't touch the narrative itself, delivering what people hoped the Star Wars SE was gonna be back in 1997.

It is a nice idea, and honestly that sounds like my preferred version in a nutshell (AND GET RID OF THE MATTE LINES ARGGG). However I just don't think a few producers at Disney/Lucasfilm would do a cut of their own. I guess it's possible, like with Alien 3 or whatever, but it seems weird to my gut-check.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

First I would certainly welcome a refined and if possible an optimal ideal rendition of the Original Trilogy. In that some of the more unintended visual flaws, artifacts, and errors would be corrected. If not then keep warts and all and provide them in a quality HD presentation.

Then I would want the 2011 versions to have a whole remastering and bring everything that was sensibly tweaked to be updated and consistent, without the weird cool color grading. Address the half measures such as inconsistent lightsabers, crushed shadow detail, make certain updates consistent such as Bespin, etc.

However I am of the mind that certain revisions should be done away with the updated 2011 versions; namely Han shoots Greedo -the end, the newest wonky Obi-wan kryat dragon sound effect should go away, and rid us of youthful Anakin at the end of ROTJ. Certainly there are other minor odds and ends but those are the most annoying changes for me, aside from the whole Vader's "NOOoooo" bit but I seem to come to terms with that indulgence.

Give ESB and ROTJ the quality remaster and remix of their soundtracks that ANH received which I find sounds fantastic and the best of trilogy now thanks to the greater dynamic range unlike the more cooked mixes on the latter two.

Just my musings for the potential remasters down the road.

Best regards,
KvE

PS The more I have read about the various iterations of the supposed Unaltered Trilogy the more it is clear that it really is not a practical and achievable goal. There have been so many adjustments and tweaks over the years before even the 97SEs to various aspects of the films it just seems like a futile pursuit of some ethereal holy relic.

[Geoff D]

+1 on new sound mixes for Empire and Jedi, they sound so clipped and overblown compared to the excellent new mix for Star Wars.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

+1 on new sound mixes for Empire and Jedi, they sound so clipped and overblown compared to the excellent new mix for Star Wars.

Empire's soundtrack has always sounded quite clipped, especially the music.


Don't find the DVD or BD to Jedi sounding overblown.

[stvn1974]

The rear speakers clip badly when the Death Star explodes on the Jedi BD. That crackling that sounds like bacon sizzling is not supposed to be there. Luckily it doesn't clip on the despecialized version.

[Geoff D]

Nor does it on my Laserdisc version, which has bass that hits far deeper than the boomy-assed shit on the DVD/BD mix.

[Dave the Minion]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's a nice idea though: keep the updated VFX (stopping short of the stoopid Blu-ray changes) but don't touch the narrative itself, delivering what people hoped the Star Wars SE was gonna be back in 1997.

Yet everyone agrees they will always disagree on what VFX changes they find to be stupid. As a whole, the loud vocal minority can't make up their mind what's good and what's bad. So when some "new" version comes out there will still be internet soapboxes for people with little good to contribute to the world to shout their silly outrage upon.

[steel_breeze]

RE: sound mixes on the blu-rays… Gotta say, the Ep. IV mix is one of my LEAST favorites. I liked the old timey pre-DVD mixes wayyy better. Now, the hiss level is all over the place. I can actually hear the dialogue editing, with production noise fading in and out behind individual lines of dialogue. I can clearly pick out ADR vs. production track, etc. Very sloppy stuff. I don't have any of that problem with the other five flicks.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Dave the Minion

Yet everyone agrees they will always disagree on what VFX changes they find to be stupid. As a whole, the loud vocal minority can't make up their mind what's good and what's bad. So when some "new" version comes out there will still be internet soapboxes for people with little good to contribute to the world to shout their silly outrage upon.

I agree that you will never please everybody with a revised edition of Star Wars. There's no way to do it. Who's going to decide which alterations should go and what would stay? Everybody has a different opinion on it (aside from maybe the Jedi Rocks sequence). But that's why the restoration of the UOT is so important-- it's the original films warts and all as people saw it until 1997. That should always be an option-- its important for both Star Wars fans and film-fans in general.

I personally would vote for simply restoring the originals and the 1997 versions in 4K, keeping the current "Saga Editions" in print, and calling it a day. You'd have the option to see each iteration of the classic trilogy that was released without any more altered re-releases.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Nor does it on my Laserdisc version, which has bass that hits far deeper than the boomy-assed shit on the DVD/BD mix.

One thing I always was surprised by the LD mixes was that Jedi hasn't really got much surround, especially compared to Empire.

[Dave the Minion]

Why does the original version have to be released AGAIN? It's been on VHS and Beta. It's been on Laserdisc. And yes, it's been on DVD. Why MUST it be restored and released on Blu-ray? Because some vocal people whine about it on the internet?

And I like Jedi Rocks. Is it better than a jazzy 70' tune? Debatable. I LOVE the cantina shootout though. And other than Han's odd step-on Jabba's tail I love that scene as well.

IMHO the only changes made that don't fit well are the constant change to Ben's yell to scare the sandpeople, the oddly giant door to Jabba's palace, not that ewoks blink but that one seems forced when Wicket is looking down at Leia and Vader's "No" is as unneeded as Luke's yell in Bespin. But NONE of those make me froth at the mouth the way so many of you do denouncing something you claim you love. I watch the Blu-rays versions and enjoy everything about them that make Star Wars one of the key factors in my life.

The original versions of Star Wars are out there. Not in the pristine HD version you demand them to be, but they are there. Why waste so much of your life whining about it rather than watching them and feeling all warm and fuzzy because of giant matte lines and no Jar Jar?

Every event that passes without neary a mention of a restored, unaltered original trilogy I just laugh at all the bickering. It really is quite funny. And now Lucasfilm is just trolling you with it's "real sets, practical effects" jargon. "We went to a real desert!". Well so did George. 4 times.

I know all this falls on deaf ears of the whiners and I don't really care. You are free to share your silly opinion so I am free to share mine as well. But the common thing in threads like these is that it's the same small handful of people just going over and over and over the same silly hate while patting each other on the back for it. There are better things to do in my life, like actually enjoy Star Wars. And as stated, no one has removed your ability to do that in what ever version you prefer.

You sense of entitlement is what's doing that.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Dave the Minion

Inane rant.

OK, which of the coterie of Lucas sycophants / OT-haters decided to make a sock-puppet account to post this drivel? The "entitlement" angle makes me think it's Rickah88 or perhaps Kryptonic, but it's hard to tell...

[Blu-21]

I only have a cheap home theater in a box audio set up, but I notice that ESB's soundmix while a little overly aggressive I thought it was terrific.

[ambient_indie]

Originally Posted by Dave the Minion

Why does the original version have to be released AGAIN? It's been on VHS and Beta. It's been on Laserdisc. And yes, it's been on DVD. Why MUST it be restored and released on Blu-ray? Because some vocal people whine about it on the internet?

And I like Jedi Rocks. Is it better than a jazzy 70' tune? Debatable. I LOVE the cantina shootout though. And other than Han's odd step-on Jabba's tail I love that scene as well.

IMHO the only changes made that don't fit well are the constant change to Ben's yell to scare the sandpeople, the oddly giant door to Jabba's palace, not that ewoks blink but that one seems forced when Wicket is looking down at Leia and Vader's "No" is as unneeded as Luke's yell in Bespin. But NONE of those make me froth at the mouth the way so many of you do denouncing something you claim you love. I watch the Blu-rays versions and enjoy everything about them that make Star Wars one of the key factors in my life.

The original versions of Star Wars are out there. Not in the pristine HD version you demand them to be, but they are there. Why waste so much of your life whining about it rather than watching them and feeling all warm and fuzzy because of giant matte lines and no Jar Jar?

Every event that passes without neary a mention of a restored, unaltered original trilogy I just laugh at all the bickering. It really is quite funny. And now Lucasfilm is just trolling you with it's "real sets, practical effects" jargon. "We went to a real desert!". Well so did George. 4 times.

I know all this falls on deaf ears of the whiners and I don't really care. You are free to share your silly opinion so I am free to share mine as well. But the common thing in threads like these is that it's the same small handful of people just going over and over and over the same silly hate while patting each other on the back for it. There are better things to do in my life, like actually enjoy Star Wars. And as stated, no one has removed your ability to do that in what ever version you prefer.

You sense of entitlement is what's doing that.

Well I think a lot of us would like to see the theatrical releases in a higher quality than a 1993 laserdisc transfer. I'm not against the special editions however it's a shame the way Lucasfilm has treated the theatrical releases. They are film history and none of the changes add to the story. If anything they distract from the period in which these films were made. It's Lucafilms loss. I've been watching Harmy's Despecialized Editions for a couple of years now. They're pretty good for anyone fed up with the revisionist work.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Dave the Minion

Why does the original version have to be released AGAIN? It's been on VHS and Beta. It's been on Laserdisc. And yes, it's been on DVD.

[Show spoiler]Why MUST it be restored and released on Blu-ray? Because some vocal people whine about it on the internet?

And I like Jedi Rocks. Is it better than a jazzy 70' tune? Debatable. I LOVE the cantina shootout though. And other than Han's odd step-on Jabba's tail I love that scene as well.

IMHO the only changes made that don't fit well are the constant change to Ben's yell to scare the sandpeople, the oddly giant door to Jabba's palace, not that ewoks blink but that one seems forced when Wicket is looking down at Leia and Vader's "No" is as unneeded as Luke's yell in Bespin. But NONE of those make me froth at the mouth the way so many of you do denouncing something you claim you love. I watch the Blu-rays versions and enjoy everything about them that make Star Wars one of the key factors in my life.

The original versions of Star Wars are out there. Not in the pristine HD version you demand them to be, but they are there. Why waste so much of your life whining about it rather than watching them and feeling all warm and fuzzy because of giant matte lines and no Jar Jar?

Every event that passes without neary a mention of a restored, unaltered original trilogy I just laugh at all the bickering. It really is quite funny. And now Lucasfilm is just trolling you with it's "real sets, practical effects" jargon. "We went to a real desert!". Well so did George. 4 times.

I know all this falls on deaf ears of the whiners and I don't really care. You are free to share your silly opinion so I am free to share mine as well. But the common thing in threads like these is that it's the same small handful of people just going over and over and over the same silly hate while patting each other on the back for it. There are better things to do in my life, like actually enjoy Star Wars. And as stated, no one has removed your ability to do that in what ever version you prefer.

You sense of entitlement is what's doing that

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George, is that you?

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

George, is that you?

After all I've seen in this thread ~

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

George, is that you?

You know, it would be actually very funny if he was here and taking part in this discussion (disguised of course), insisting that there's no reason to have the unaltered original trilogy in HD.

By the way, Dave, why ANY film should be out on Bluray?
Most of them are out already on VHS and DVD.
You should be happy with them, and not ask for any Bluray again!

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Dave the Minion

Every event that passes without neary a mention of a restored, unaltered original trilogy I just laugh at all the bickering.

There are better things to do in my life, like actually enjoy Star Wars. And as stated, no one has removed your ability to do that in what ever version you prefer.

1 - You are obviously someone who was banned from this site before!
I knew it from other Threads I've seen you post in, but this statement proves it.

2 - We prefer the Blu-Ray Format, so to not have it on Blu-Ray makes us not have it on a Format we prefer!

[Dave the Minion]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

You know, it would be actually very funny if he was here and taking part in this discussion (disguised of course), insisting that there's no reason to have the unaltered original trilogy in HD.

By the way, Dave, why ANY film should be out on Bluray?
Most of them are out already on VHS and DVD.
You should be happy with them, and not ask for any Bluray again!

Star Wars IS out on Blu-ray. The version so many feel they are entitled to have in the quality they feel entitled to have it doesn't change what facts are. There is no reason to release another, inferior version (as the filmmaker intends it) because that has already been done. Over and over again. I myself own 4 different copies. I can watch Star Wars with no Episode IV right this very second. I have no desire to however.

Don't any of you think that if Disney had any ability to release what you feel you deserve that as soon as they had that control they'd have announced it and done away with all this needless internet bickering? Honestly? They just keep having announcements and conventions and more announcements yet not a single peep about it? There are 100% more spoilers from a controlled set filled with people who signed massive non-disclosure agreements out there than credible noise about any future release of the UOT. Think about that. Cell phone footage from the set of TFA was easier to obtain than 1 single person saying "yes, it is coming for sure." Only the moonlandings have had a better cover-up than the future release of the UOT on Blu-ray. Everyone knows 9/11 was totally an inside job though.

As I said, a whole lot of deaf ears. There's no discussion to be had when one side is so dug into their trench of silly that any opposing opinion is attacked not for it's merit but with little more than playground insults. I guess it's just more fun to love to hate Star Wars in the guise of loving it than to actually, you know, go watch it or something.