Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by stingingvelvet

the idea that no one would really care if the ot theatricals were released with a new 4k scan is so laughable. I know some people love posting stuff like "shut up complainers!" in every thread, but when you act like the holy grail of the biggest franchise on the planet wouldn't sell enough to bother with, you make yourself look so silly.

thank you!!

[JackKnightStarman]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

People would have hated the "No, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" if it was originally in Jedi just as much as they do the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" in Sith. But keep on telling yourself differently.

Nobody knows for sure. If that was originally included it might not have received such vitriol towards it. That is a opinion just like yours, but I don't present it as fact. YOU DON'T KNOW.

[dubious]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

People would have hated the "No, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" if it was originally in Jedi just as much as they do the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" in Sith. But keep on telling yourself differently.

EP VII,

[Show spoiler]I might have LOL'd if Han had "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"d off the walkway into the abyss.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Furthermore, even though fanboys are clamoring for the unaltered originals, my prediction is that if they were released by themselves, they would not sell that well, because the general public really doesn't give a crap either way and those who have bought on BD are not going to double-dip for the OT again. Giving those versions to the streaming services might generate some extra revenue as some people who had never seen the OT in its unaltered form might be curious enough to pay $6 to see what the fuss is about, but getting consumers to lay down another $60 to get the trilogy again - I don't see anyone but the fanboys doing that.

Once people did view the UOT again, I predict a lot of "that's what all the fuss was about?" along with a bunch of "I like the special editions better". They'll certainly be some people who will be excited and claim the unaltered editions are superior, but most of those people have decided that in advance.

Originally Posted by rickah88

Excellent post! I agree 100%

Just because the two of you have drunk the Lucas Kool-Aid doesn't mean that your so-called "thoughts" are worth a single damn, especially since you're pooh-poohing the restoration of films that won multiple Oscars for the same visual effects that were largely obliterated by the SEs.

And regarding your excessive use of "fanboys", wouldn't the people who mindlessly parrot the company line without a shred of critical thought (i.e. you members of the PT/SE brigade) be far more qualified to be labeled as such?

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

The reaction would be similar to what's happening now with VII. There are certainly people who love the new film but there's also some backlash as I've been predicting for a long time: people claiming that Lucas would have handled the story better. So in spite of the apparent incredible success of the new film, we might see Lucas looked upon favorably again for a time.

The only people who would ever say that are Prequel apologists, whose opinions are properly seen as void ab initio by the vast majority of right-thinking members of the viewing public.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

The idea that no one would really care if the OT theatricals were released with a new 4k scan is so laughable. I know some people love posting stuff like "shut up complainers!" in every thread, but when you act like the holy grail of the biggest franchise on the planet wouldn't sell enough to bother with, you make yourself look so silly.

I love the idea that Star Wars on home video is an iffy proposition. If that's the case then literally anything on home video is an iffy proposition because there's no surer bet than frickin Star Wars.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I am convinced that Lucas knew how much people hated the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" in Sith and decided to add it to Jedi as a last middle finger to fans.

Honestly, that would not surprise me at all.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by svenge

Just because the two of you have drunk the Lucas Kool-Aid doesn't mean that your so-called "thoughts" are worth a single damn, especially since you're pooh-poohing the restoration of films that won multiple Oscars for the same visual effects that were largely obliterated by the SEs.

And regarding your excessive use of "fanboys", wouldn't the people who mindlessly parrot the company line without a shred of critical thought (i.e. you members of the PT/SE brigade) be far more qualified to be labeled as such?




The only people who would ever say that are Prequel apologists, whose opinions are automatically and properly seen as invalid by the vast majority of right-thinking members of the viewing public.

Same thing can be said about the entitled fan base, aka "bash brigade".
This back/forth can go on forever....oh wait it already has.

Some people just don't spend every waking minute of their lives sweating out if the UOT will hit home video or not. Clearly some people do.

If it happens, great! If not, I'm content with what I have.
Sorry, just not going to spend a decade(or more) crying over it...but that's just me.

[Geoff D]

The code for the shrug emoticon really should be changed to :rickah:

[svenge]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Same thing can be said about the entitled fan base, aka "bash brigade".
This back/forth can go on forever....oh wait it already has.

Some people just don't spend every waking minute of their lives sweating out if the UOT will hit home video or not. Clearly some people do.

If it happens, great! If not, I'm content with what I have.
Sorry, just not going to spend a decade crying over it...but that's just me.

No, you're just going to smugly assume superiority by stating that those who want film history properly preserved are somehow "entitled" while those who are not only OK with but actively promote its desecration are "content".

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The code for the shrug emoticon really should be changed to :rickah:

I was thinkng :summerseve: personally, but I don't know what the licensing fees would be and if they would want their brand to be tarnished as such by association.

[rickah88]

Too many shrug-worthy comments here!

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by svenge

No, you're just going to smugly assume superiority by stating that those who want film history properly preserved are somehow "entitled" while those who are not only OK with but actively promote its desecration are "content".

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

They'll maximize sales by releasing the UOT once on its own, once with the SE, once with the PT, once with both the PT and SE, once with the ST, and at least once as part of the entire saga collection. Disney isn't dumb lol

While I knew Disney would do plenty of marketing for the new movie, I never imagined it would be to this degree. I see Star Wars items I never thought I would see. I even saw Star Wars at the drug store today including band-aids. I have no doubt they will fully restore and release the UOT at some point...likely 2017.

[JackKnightStarman]

Originally Posted by rickah88

[emoji38]cry:

Same thing can be said about the entitled fan base, aka "bash brigade".
This back/forth can go on forever....oh wait it already has.

Some people just don't spend every waking minute of their lives sweating out if the UOT will hit home video or not. Clearly some people do.

If it happens, great! If not, I'm content with what I have.
Sorry, just not going to spend a decade(or more) crying over it...but that's just me.

You forgot the "my childhood has been Raped" extremists. Ridiculous, overstated, and just plain belligerent fanbase, that wonders why other generations of people feel a the same sense of entitlement about things....

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Only because you know it wasn't there originally. But if you didn't know that, it wouldn't bother you at all or at least no more than any other of the many instances of trite dialogue in these films. And I'm going to contend that most of the complaints either come from people who never saw the originals or who did see them, but couldn't possibly remember anything but the major changes (although the "NOOOOOO" would be one of them).

Somewhere on the web is this frame-by-frame analysis of the changes, and (without going back and counting), probably 80% were to fix garbage mattes and multi-generation dissolves, 15% were to add objects such as additional fighters, lifeforms and buildings to scenes and only 5% were the stupid changes that he shouldn't have made, but I really think people overreact to, even though some of the criticisms are valid (like showing Hayden Christensen at the end of ROTJ, which would have only made sense if Luke had known what he looked like).

Furthermore, even though fanboys are clamoring for the unaltered originals, my prediction is that if they were released by themselves, they would not sell that well, because the general public really doesn't give a crap either way and those who have bought on BD are not going to double-dip for the OT again. Giving those versions to the streaming services might generate some extra revenue as some people who had never seen the OT in its unaltered form might be curious enough to pay $6 to see what the fuss is about, but getting consumers to lay down another $60 to get the trilogy again - I don't see anyone but the fanboys doing that.

Once people did view the UOT again, I predict a lot of "that's what all the fuss was about?" along with a bunch of "I like the special editions better". They'll certainly be some people who will be excited and claim the unaltered editions are superior, but most of those people have decided that in advance.

And let's not forget that especially with Episode IV, there were three different audio versions of that film: the 70mm 6-track mix, the 35mm Dolby Optical 4-track mix and the 35mm mono mix. It's not just a matter that some sounds got buried or were more distinctive in the different mixes, there were actually slight dialog and SFX changes. Some sources claim Lucas thought the mono mix was the "real" mix. I, for one, see the 70mm 6-track mix as "canon" as that's how the film was released in the most important theaters. But if they were to release a new BD in mono or in stereo but with mono surround, as the 70mm was, the same fans who only want the film unaltered would freak out. So there's also a bit of hypocrisy.

The reaction would be similar to what's happening now with VII. There are certainly people who love the new film but there's also some backlash as I've been predicting for a long time: people claiming that Lucas would have handled the story better and that the new story is just a

[Show spoiler]rehash of Episode IV and that J.J. is a hack.

So in spite of the apparent incredible success of the new film, we might see Lucas looked upon favorably again for a time.

Not sure which intergalactic planet you're on.

First of all, the horrible SE changes did happen and most everyone saw them, so to say if you never saw them originally it wouldn't bother you is irrelevant. What you're saying is tantamount to getting served a bad meal. "Well, if you had eaten crap your entire life you wouldn't know the difference with the garbage you were just served." Yeah, sure.

So long as the UOT was restored properly, I think most would be very happy....and yes, they would sell rather well like other Star Wars items. Marketing them as restored and sourced from 4K alone will move them.

As far as the reaction for the new movie, it's overwhelmingly positive. JJ Abrams knows how to make a Star Wars movie far better than Lucas who lost his ways years ago. The Rotten Tomatoes ratings (both fan and pro) of the new movie destroys the prequels. Not many are missing Lucas.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/franch...ch=star%20wars

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by JackKnightStarman

You forgot the "my childhood has been Raped" extremists. Ridiculous, overstated, and just plain belligerent fanbase, that wonders why other generations of people feel a the same sense of entitlement about things....

I prefer to use the word ruined, when quoting those that are actually warped enough to use the name of felonious crime to describe a movie being changed.
It's really off the charts warped, and there's zero defense for it.

Like I said, I'd love to have the UOTs on BD, but I can safely say that my past, present and future are completely fine if it doesn't happen.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Same thing can be said about the entitled fan base, aka "bash brigade".
This back/forth can go on forever....oh wait it already has.

Some people just don't spend every waking minute of their lives sweating out if the UOT will hit home video or not. Clearly some people do.

If it happens, great! If not, I'm content with what I have.
Sorry, just not going to spend a decade(or more) crying over it...but that's just me.

I am upset the originals are not available but I dont lose sleep over it. Going back to Harmy's version, the originals will always be 'available' in some copacity because the ones who love those versions are not gonna let people forget they love it. Fans who love the OUT are gonna introduce their kids to that version because they wanna introduce them to SW the way they like SW. Same for SE fans. They will introduce their kids to that version either cause thats whats available, they like that version, or both. The reminder of the OUT existence will remain intact because the 'fanboys' will make sure it is. Yes some are more obsessive about it than others. Hell even I am sometimes but i know that i do have ways to watch the originals when i want and i will be patient to see if the originals are properly restored one day. And going back to 'is Harmy's version legal?', well not totally but if thats what your worried about get the 2006 DVDs then if u can afford them.

[tskwerl]

I don't think anyone here is off the mark about wanting the UOT on blu and nobody is sitting in a corner rocking back and forth thinking, "UOT on BLU!" 24/7. We're just expressing our opinions, same as anyone else. If you really believe that, there's a problem on your end.

Think of it this way; if George Miller went back and re-did every special effect and added cars and people to the Mad Max trilogy, removed actors, change dialogue, would that be cool? IMO, no it would not.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by tskwerl

I don't think anyone here is off the mark about wanting the UOT on blu and nobody is sitting in a corner rocking back and forth thinking, "UOT on BLU!" 24/7. We're just expressing our opinions, same as anyone else. If you really believe that, there's a problem on your end.

Think of it this way; if George Miller went back and re-did every special effect and added cars and people to the Mad Max trilogy, removed actors, change dialogue, would that be cool? IMO, no it would not.

Yet some people get a pass for CGI additions

[stvn1974]

I have stated this before that Blade Runner The Final Cut is my favorite film of all time and Gilliam's cut of Brazil is my second so I am not against film makers altering their work. But I think the changes for those films are for the better and the changes Lucas made are for the worse. Plus all of the versions of Blade Runner and Brazil are available in the current format being used.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

While I knew Disney would do plenty of marketing for the new movie, I never imagined it would be to this degree. I see Star Wars items I never thought I would see. I even saw Star Wars at the drug store today including band-aids. I have no doubt they will fully restore and release the UOT at some point...likely 2017.

Heh. If they can make money from Star Wars plasters then I fail to see how a remastered UOT doesn't rake in da cash. Will it zoom to the top of the charts and sell a bajillion copies? No. Will it sell enough (and garner plenty of headlines, maybe even outside of geek circles) to make it all worthwhile? You're damned right it will.

There will be no better way to celebrate the 40th anniversary than to release the restored originals, preferably to theaters first and then the home video releases can come after.